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2015/01/16 15:36:47 (permalink)

No notation fixes!

At the risk of sounding like I wanna pee on the parade, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FIXES IN THE NEW SONAR VERSIONS FOR THE NOTATION FEATURE????????? Some of us have been beating this poor horse to death about the notation being trash! Can you at least say it is on the next list of upgrade features or is it just DEAD! It is still very crippled and needs some serious attention.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 15:47:12 (permalink)
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Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy.
 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 16:15:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/01/17 09:11:42
I suspect Cakewalk's user base consists of a small number of people who actually read and write music, so they've probably abandoned support for those who do use the staff view.  I wish I were wrong about this, but I don't think I am.  It's a difficult decision for me; Cubase and Digital Performer have better notation but they don't have a color coded event list, which is just as important to me, and there are other things that cause me to much prefer Sonar.  So I may be stuck with Sonar for the rest of my life, although I realize the staff view leaves a lot to be desired.  It's too bad Cakewalk doesn't have enough pride of craftsmanship to care enough to fix the long-standing issues with notation.  
 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 16:24:53 (permalink)
You know it would not be so bad if you could rewire a notation software so that notation you create (say thru midi) would transfer into Sonar.
 
you can create a midi file from one to the other, but the busy work and work flow is just too much.
 
It should not be that difficult.
 
 

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 16:27:14 (permalink)
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You know it would not be so bad if you could rewire a notation software so that notation you create (say thru midi) would transfer into Sonar.



Don't people do that already with Notion or some other program?
 
And FWIW, the last time this was brought I'm pretty sure someone from Cakewalk said it was not a priority for the next update.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 16:27:37 (permalink)
Cakewalk has plenty of pride in their craftsmanship. I don't agree with your feelings on that. In my opinion, SONAR excels as an audio and MIDI editor; a DAW which is what SONAR is. I realize that SONAR may not have some notation features that some other DAWS may have, but there are 3rd party products or there that specialize in that area. I know, SONAR can't be everything for everyone and it can't make everyone happy all the time. But all in all, it's quite a package with exceptional value. Maybe they will get around to notation later on. I hope they do for people like you. But for now, I am happy they are concentrating on the core of being a audio and MIDI recorder/editor/mixer.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 16:30:24 (permalink)
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 17:49:02 (permalink)
No shirt, no shoes, No staff view improvements.

Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy.
 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 17:54:58 (permalink)
I admire the patience of the Staff View People! You haven't got thrown a bone since the early 2000s, but you still hang in there!
 
I can actually read and write music to a fair degree, but I rarely ever use notation when DAWing.





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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:00:48 (permalink)
I would actually prefer sibelius for instance to be integrated into sonar than have the current staff view as I can't see it ever happening . Don't even know if that's possible but hey, it's a dream. Rewire doesn't work in the way it's needed to.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:07:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CadErik 2015/01/16 23:47:36
We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:18:43 (permalink)
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You know it would not be so bad if you could rewire a notation software so that notation you create (say thru midi) would transfer into Sonar.



Don't people do that already with Notion or some other program?
 
And FWIW, the last time this was brought I'm pretty sure someone from Cakewalk said it was not a priority for the next update.




Edit:  Oh man - in the time it took me to write this, Bill Jackson chimes in and has the audacity to give me hope.  Damn you.  
 
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"not a priority for the next update" - does that mean the about-to-be-released Sonar 2015 we are being presented with this month?  Or over the next 12 months?  Or ever?
 
Not only is it not a priority, these limitations are still present in the upcoming offering:
 
- Triplets must occur in full sets of three.
- All three steps in a triplet must be notes (no rests) of the same basic duration.
- There can be no ties in or out of, or within the triplet.
 
Wow.  You'd think they could have thrown us a bone - like Ben Staton's note duration buttons in the SV view itself.
 
R***** looks like it will be getting a MIDI notation editor - and that was primarily an audio DAW from the beginning.  Granted, it probably won't be as good as our beloved, slightly crippled SV, but it is a new offering to customers who would like to edit MIDI with notation.
 
 
And I was sincerely hoping we would see some sort of Chord Pad / Track functionality.  Who knows, maybe in the next 12 months - but only in the Platinum version 
 
I think I've got more than I need for now in X3e Pro.  
 
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I do appreciate the article you wrote about creating a pool of chord snippets and associating them to MIDI keys - that will definitely inspire creativity.  I'm planning to something similar with the Matrix view.
 
And if can some day afford to get Melodyne Editor, I'd love to try to modify off the shelf keyboard audio loops.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:25:32 (permalink)
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 Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.



That (the new development model) is what I thought might help facilitate some improvement in staff.  And why I decided to continue to support CW and bought a platinum upgrade, over thinking about Cubase and Performer (just too many other things in Sonar I'd miss).
 
 
 

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:28:22 (permalink)
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We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.




Wow - I feel like weeping and spending money.  
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:28:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/01/17 09:15:31
In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:34:03 (permalink)

 
R***** looks like it will be getting a MIDI notation editor - and that was primarily an audio DAW from the beginning.  Granted, it probably won't be as good as our beloved, slightly crippled SV, but it is a new offering to customers who would like to edit MIDI with notation.
 



Holy crap.  I just fell off my chair - NEVER though R***** would spend 1 min on staff.
 

 
 

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:41:25 (permalink)
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R***** looks like it will be getting a MIDI notation editor - and that was primarily an audio DAW from the beginning.  Granted, it probably won't be as good as our beloved, slightly crippled SV, but it is a new offering to customers who would like to edit MIDI with notation.
 



Holy crap.  I just fell off my chair - NEVER though R***** would spend 1 min on staff.
 


 
I know, right?
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:42:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby candlesayshi 2015/01/24 19:11:07
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:47:08 (permalink)
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We frequently (annuallyish) investigate Staff View improvements, or even an overhaul. It's not "dead" nor "abandoned." It has just been "deferred" due to other priorities that impact a larger group of customers. Don't lose hope. We understand there is room for improvement and intend to tackle it eventually. Our new release model will allow us to budget time and resources more easily, so it's more realistic now than it has been in years. Thanks for being patient.


thank you. it has been a good decade + some of us have been waiting. sonar 1 or 2, I can no longer remember the last time some work was done. been here since pro audio 9. thanks for giving us some hope. waiting patiently for the new release. 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 18:55:41 (permalink)
I believe there used to be a virtual midi app that could link a notation editor and DAW together...back in the 32 bit xp days...So  using Sibelius or other to hook up to a Daw, and when making the right perf setup, whenever you want to edit notes in opening the editor in the Daw, it would open up the notation software for you , all nice and buggy like....LOL ..but I haven't found it for, or sought it out for 64 bit os, as I feel it is better to do it all in Sibelius ...make a midi file and save that, and import...add the vst instruments......and go back and forth from there...less bugs.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 19:00:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/01/17 09:17:35
In spite of the fact that music schools are churning out staff-and-blot literate musicians at an unprecedented rate, and that the expectation of literacy for professional popular musicians has never been higher, it is probable that a fully functioning staff view is not a priority for most Sonar customers. I expect that most buyers are not going to manuscript paper and pen as their preferred method of capturing a musical idea. After years of unrewarded hoping for a staff view that would work superbly either as input or output, I have pretty much given up. Amateur loopsters and wannabee professionals with more interest in stardom than discipline drive the market for this kind of software. Many more wallets will open for a step sequencer than for a staff view. For most users Sonar is a recording device or a musical instrument, not primarily a method of preserving music for the post digital age when flesh-eating rappers rule the streets and computers can only show cat videos.
 
As for classical/unpopular musicians, well you chose to walk a higher path. Don't expect the masses to support your needs, or those who take the masses cash to pay you your well-deserved respect if it costs them money.
 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 19:07:51 (permalink)
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In the spirit of being totally honest, though... I will admit that there are no current developments to the Staff View in progress.

i mean this with all sincere honesty and no disrespect to cakewalk intended; can it be fixed?....
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 19:25:12 (permalink)
In answer to an earlier post: It is indeed possible to rewire sonar to a Notation program and then redirect the midi or the audio from the notation program back into sonar. 
 
I bought into Notion for that and it worked ok. It limitation at the time was it only used 44.1k audio and I work in 48K. Non the less I was able to bounce the audio to a 44.1 file and import it into Notion and then export the audio from Notion and then import back into Sonar.
 
A bit clumsy but it worked. 
 
The new version, Notion 5, supports 48k but I have been reluctant to jump on it since most my work is not with notation and not ready to deal with Presonus yet.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 19:31:20 (permalink)
I didn't mean to sound desperate for change here. I have used Notion with Sonar since the ReWire got fixed in Sonar. No problems there. It just has been offsetting to see Sonar held up as the one and only DAW that has everything you need in it with one of the primary features as weak as the Staff View. I have other DAWs but I am an absolute Sonar addict and it would be nice to have an integrated Staff View that is as world class as the rest of the DAW. For all these years using Sonar, the Staff View has been shoddy to say the least. But not shoddy enough for me not to upgrade every year. I am comforted that Bill said that it is still on the list of things to tackle.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 19:59:03 (permalink)
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 20:19:58 (permalink)
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You know it would not be so bad if you could rewire a notation software so that notation you create (say thru midi) would transfer into Sonar.



Don't people do that already with Notion or some other program?
 
And FWIW, the last time this was brought I'm pretty sure someone from Cakewalk said it was not a priority for the next update.


Can Notion 5 send MIDI into Sonar X3 PE by rewire? I own both but not aware of this capability.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 20:29:05 (permalink)
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Can Notion 5 send MIDI into Sonar X3 PE by rewire? I own both but not aware of this capability.



No, rewire doesn't work that way, it's MIDI in audio out. I would have grabbed a 3rd party notation tool a long time ago if it could do that.

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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 21:07:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/01/17 09:20:42
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You know it would not be so bad if you could rewire a notation software so that notation you create (say thru midi) would transfer into Sonar.



Don't people do that already with Notion or some other program?
 
And FWIW, the last time this was brought I'm pretty sure someone from Cakewalk said it was not a priority for the next update.




Craig--
With no disrespect meant (FWIW) it's not worth a whole not, because Cakewalk has been saying now for many years that the staff view is "not a priority for the next update.".   If CW cannot support its own software (by fixing known bugs reported by numerous users over an extended period of time) why even have the staff view?  There are many composers who read and write music and who don't want to, or cannot, work in the PR view.  Why add signal processor after signal processor after signal processor as though the collecting of plugins is more important than using the one or two or three best ones?   Why is there not a sense at CW that the staff view deserves as much (I am not saying more, I am saying as much) attention as any other aspect of the program?   Many loyal customers have been supporting CW for years (I started with Cakewalk for DOS in 1991) and have purchased many upgrades and plugins for many years.  Don't we count?   Shouldn't the support be mutual?  
 
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Re: No notation fixes! 2015/01/16 21:21:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jatoth 2015/01/17 09:21:29
Sylvan
Cakewalk has plenty of pride in their craftsmanship. I don't agree with your feelings on that. In my opinion, SONAR excels as an audio and MIDI editor; a DAW which is what SONAR is. I realize that SONAR may not have some notation features that some other DAWS may have, but there are 3rd party products or there that specialize in that area. I know, SONAR can't be everything for everyone and it can't make everyone happy all the time. But all in all, it's quite a package with exceptional value. Maybe they will get around to notation later on. I hope they do for people like you. But for now, I am happy they are concentrating on the core of being a audio and MIDI recorder/editor/mixer.



I've been using Cakewalk since 1991.  I know what "Maybe they will get around to notation later on." actually means.   There are no 3rd party notation packages that can integrate seamlessly into Sonar's MIDI editor. Maybe you haven't realized this, but a DAW's notation window IS a MIDI editor, in fact, that's all it is.  For producing publishable quality output most people use Sibelius as I do.  I'm not talking about making the notation editor anything close to what a stand-alone notation program does, that's not necessary or even desirable.  I'm referring to bugs like the snap function gets screwed up, and the order of the track pane gets confused, basic operations and display issues.  I could be wrong, but it difficult to conclude that CW cares much about their staff view, even their own advertisements never mention it as do similar ads for Pro Tools, Cubase, Digital Performer and Logic.  What I don't really know or understand is why this indifference to this part of the program exists and why, update after update and version after version, they make few improvements (making the staff view track pane dark was a welcome change) and add new bugs.  It makes no sense.
 
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