Sidroe
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Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
While I know that the staff view and notation is broken now since X1b, I am lost without it. I do not use it to score with. I do use it to write my drum and bass tracks to get exactly the rhythm feel I want and then I play the rest of the tracks in on my M-Audio Keystation 88. I grew up reading and writing music with pen and paper so I am right at home with the staff view. I am lost on the piano roll. I hate it. I write songs, not loops so this is really slowing down my production work. I am a professional musician, free lance producer. I make my living doing this.
I have diligently supported Cakewalk since my working with Pro Audio 9. Many times other people have tried to make me jump ship. Tried Cubase, very nice! Logic, not user friendly in my opinion. Pro Tools, not impressed enough to give up on Cake.
PLEASE,Brandon, Seth, all of you, I need X1 FIXED.
It is getting increasingly harder to recommend your products because of the trouble we are having getting this to work.
I know people are getting tired of ranting. I don't mean to sound like I am ranting. I am pleading at this point. If you check my posts here you will see I have supported X1 since day one. Then X1b broke the staff view and it has all been downhill from there.
PLEASE,AS A LONG TIME CAKE USER! PLEASE! FIX THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
I close saying I love your products and want to continue to use them and be able to recommend them without feeling that I have given bad advice. Come on, guys. Fix my staff view. Thanks.
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John
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 07:30:54
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How is it broken beyond what it was in any past version? From what I have seen it is much the same thing.
But if you are saying it needs to be rewritten and brought to the abilities that others DAWs have I would fully agree.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 07:36:24
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I know people are getting tired of ranting. I don't mean to sound like I am ranting. I am pleading at this point. If you check my posts here you will see I have supported X1 since day one. Then X1b broke the staff view and it has all been downhill from there. It doesn't sound like a rant at all to me. I'm not one that uses Staff View, but I can understand your frustration. If one of the tools I relied on was non-functional - I would be doing the same thing. Out of curiosity, have you reported the problem(s) using the problem reporter? Cakewalk does not use the forums for bug reports, they only take what is reported through the proper channels. Using those channels helps identity exactly what the problem is and the steps to reproduce. http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/problemreport.aspx If you could be so kind to provide a couple of the problems here, I will test on my machine. If I can replicate it - I will gladly fill out a problem report as well. The more reports they get - the more likely they will fix it.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 08:36:41
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Hmmm. The staff view is basically functional here but it is definitely buggy/quirky in ways that could make it even more unusable than it already was for anyone trying to use it for primary input. I absolutely agree it needs a real overhaul desperately, it's in pretty sad shape for a DAW of Sonar's stature.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 09:02:59
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anyway you could roll back your installation or just re install up to x1a
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Sidroe
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 09:28:26
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My problem is I pull up the staff view,I choose say a quarter note to write on the staff. The tool only writes 16th note durations even though it put a quarter note on the staff. I click the drop down list to choose a note to write on the staff. Anything I choose for the note, it still only writes a 16th note duration.
I tried choosing from the smart tool bar at the upper left of the gui, choosing from the dropdown list on the tool itself, it still is writing 16th note durations. HELP!
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 09:34:58
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Oh right I have read about this. It is a bug.
I hope CW is working on a fix. But I am hoping for a whole new Staff view in the next full release of X2. By then we should see some major improvements in the Staff view. Now please don't hold me to this but its what I think. We did get some notion of this from CW when X1 was released. They didn't include needed Staff view upgrades at that time and said it is still in the works.
So although that wont help you now I think you can look forward to it being better in the future.
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Sidroe
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 10:47:54
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I appreciate the words of encouragement, John. I have had to start my projects in 8.5.3 with the staff view. And then once written, dump it into X1b. PITA, but, you gotta do what you gotta do. I filed a report just now. Hope it gets taken care of. I did not really like X1 too much when I first started working with it,as far as the new look and moving all my tools around, but I have really grown to love it now. I just want it to work as smoothly as 8.5 did for me.
Anyway, Thanks.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 10:55:30
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I do not see the tool bar to select note durations, so I have to enter a note, right click, and then change the number of ticks. This is really annoying.
Am I describing the same bug, or am I just not familiar with how to call up the tool with note values?
I create close to 100% of my music in Staff view.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 11:06:52
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Hi Sidroe,
Sorry you're having trouble.
There is currently a bug in the Staff View when selecting Note Duration.
You must select Note Duration from the Tools module of the Control Bar.
Other means of selecting Note Duration may not work correctly and you could end up drawing an unexpected note.
I believe this is what you are running into.
If you experience a different problem, please submit it using the Problem Reporter.
I hope this helps!
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 11:19:30
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I was hoping this would be resolved in QuickFix build 244, because it was working in X1a. Oh well, here is hoping the next QuickFix will resolve this. As soon as it is fixed, I'll be pulling out the plasitc and upgrading from 8.5.3. 
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 11:49:17
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The best workaround I've found so far is to move the Control Bar to the bottom of the screen while doing your Staff View editing. You can use a screenset for this and do it with one key (including, of course, opening the staff view!). Unfortunately, since screensets don't include Control Bar configurations (yet - any chance of this guys?), you need to have the Tools module switched on, which I normally don't as I prefer the HUD. So I guess the best scenario would be if the HUD note select gets fixed in a future (soon?) Quickfix...
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Sidroe
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 12:31:30
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I thank you for the tip about the Control Bar. At least this will keep me from jumping back and forth between 8.5 and X1b. I would still like to see the note icons brought back. I just can't get used to the written out values. It slows me down a good bit. Because I read and write music, it is much quicker to see the note and click rather than having to read it as a word.
Anyhow, THANK YOU!
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 12:55:18
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Sidroe
I thank you for the tip about the Control Bar. At least this will keep me from jumping back and forth between 8.5 and X1b. I would still like to see the note icons brought back. I just can't get used to the written out values. It slows me down a good bit. Because I read and write music, it is much quicker to see the note and click rather than having to read it as a word.
Anyhow, THANK YOU!
I couldn't agree with you more. I am confident that duration problem will be fixed soon by Cakewalk. If the note icons are not brought back by Cakewalk, I suspect benstat and his Sonar Plus app will bring them back. Check out this thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2260538
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 13:00:41
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pbognar
I am confident that duration problem will be fixed soon by Cakewalk. If the note icons are not brought back by Cakewalk, I suspect benstat and his Sonar Plus app will bring them back. Check out this thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2260538
Yes, as soon as CW fix the bug I'll reinstate the Staff View note length buttons in SONAR Plus.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 13:50:27
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I guess you can't have your buttons call the functions in the same way the Control Bar is? 'Cause they seem to pretty much work...
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 14:05:45
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subtlearts
I guess you can't have your buttons call the functions in the same way the Control Bar is? 'Cause they seem to pretty much work...
No, I'm afraid not. Not possible for technical reasons I won't bore you with.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 14:11:27
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I suspected as much. Well, they seem aware of the issue, here's hoping for another timely QuickFix. I'm jonesing...
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 16:57:52
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I guess sort of related to this topic -- are there still hotkeys for changing note duration?
I remember in previous versions it was like 1=whole, 2=half, 3=triplet, 4=quarter, 6=16th, 8=8th, etc. I used these a LOT when transcribing into the staff view.
But now those numbers change the quickset instead. Have these shortcuts been remapped somewhere else or are they gone now?
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 18:26:56
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PenguiN42
I guess sort of related to this topic -- are there still hotkeys for changing note duration?
I remember in previous versions it was like 1=whole, 2=half, 3=triplet, 4=quarter, 6=16th, 8=8th, etc. I used these a LOT when transcribing into the staff view.
But now those numbers change the quickset instead. Have these shortcuts been remapped somewhere else or are they gone now?
I couldn't find anything for triplets, but: Set whole note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+1 Set half note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+2 Set quarter note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+4 Set eight note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+8 Set sixteenth note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+6 Set thirty-second note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+3
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 18:42:22
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You must select Note Duration from the Tools module of the Control Bar. OK. That works, but what is with the blank button next to Edit??? I mean, c'mon!
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 19:01:53
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pbognar
PenguiN42
I guess sort of related to this topic -- are there still hotkeys for changing note duration?
I remember in previous versions it was like 1=whole, 2=half, 3=triplet, 4=quarter, 6=16th, 8=8th, etc. I used these a LOT when transcribing into the staff view.
But now those numbers change the quickset instead. Have these shortcuts been remapped somewhere else or are they gone now? I couldn't find anything for triplets, but:
Set whole note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+1
Set half note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+2
Set quarter note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+4
Set eight note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+8
Set sixteenth note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+6
Set thirty-second note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+3
They are all available for custom keybindings - you could use the shift-numbers, they're all unassigned... BUT unfortunately, none of them work - they seem to be called in the same way as from the HUD, which means that we're still stuck with the Control Bar until a fix (Quick or otherwise) appears...
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 19:03:53
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daveny5
You must select Note Duration from the Tools module of the Control Bar. OK. That works, but what is with the blank button next to Edit??? I mean, c'mon!
Not seeing that, where do you mean?
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pbognar
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 21:04:58
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subtlearts
pbognar
PenguiN42
I guess sort of related to this topic -- are there still hotkeys for changing note duration?
I remember in previous versions it was like 1=whole, 2=half, 3=triplet, 4=quarter, 6=16th, 8=8th, etc. I used these a LOT when transcribing into the staff view.
But now those numbers change the quickset instead. Have these shortcuts been remapped somewhere else or are they gone now? I couldn't find anything for triplets, but:
Set whole note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+1
Set half note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+2
Set quarter note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+4
Set eight note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+8
Set sixteenth note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+6
Set thirty-second note duration = CTRL+SHIFT+3
They are all available for custom keybindings - you could use the shift-numbers, they're all unassigned... BUT unfortunately, none of them work - they seem to be called in the same way as from the HUD, which means that we're still stuck with the Control Bar until a fix (Quick or otherwise) appears...
Wow - you've got to be kidding. I just found those shortcuts in the manual - I don't have X1, so couldn't really try them. It's somewhat encouraging that no method works for changing duration - it is clear that something like the "duration method of staff view object is not responding responding to messages, which would seem to make it easy to isolate and debug the problem. But the crazy thing is that the Control Bar is able to send the message in a way which is understood. This is really weird. I wonder if key bindings could be setup to perform what the Control Bar is able to accomplish... I think we should have a group code walk-through. 
post edited by pbognar - 2011/04/06 21:06:01
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 21:38:16
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The note issue in staff view is a known bug, this has been confirmed by Cakewalk. Sorry don't have the official log number to hand. It is not listed as fixed in the new build.
It is a very nearly show stopping PITA. You get my vote for it to be fixed or perhaps we will get a free copy of the new notation software that Cake have just taken over.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 22:28:17
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Wookiee
The note issue in staff view is a known bug, this has been confirmed by Cakewalk. Sorry don't have the official log number to hand. It is not listed as fixed in the new build.
It is a very nearly show stopping PITA. You get my vote for it to be fixed or perhaps we will get a free copy of the new notation software that Cake have just taken over.
"Staff view in X1b broke CWBRN-1324 " Wookiee, you posted this in http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2270097 Yes I got excited when the hotfix came out, as I thought this would be low hanging fruit. Alas this was not one of the fixes. I don't want Cakewalk to have to go through the effort of creating a new and improved staff view... They should just buy an existing product, gut the basic features and put it into X1. They can also sell the full blown notation program separately. Just like our friends at Avid did.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 23:43:05
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As suggested above, this would be a great choice for one of the Quick Fixes.
Whether Cakewalk works on the existing staff view, or purchases/integrates another notation program, I hope they remember their statement back in version 8 that they would not be able to dedicate resources at that time but did intend to fix it in the future.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/06 23:46:18
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daveny5 You must select Note Duration from the Tools module of the Control Bar. OK. That works, but what is with the blank button next to Edit??? I mean, c'mon! Not seeing that, where do you mean? Hmmm. Its either a bug in the 64-bit version or a bug in the Sonarmod skin since I'm using that on the 64-bit version of Sonar.
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/07 00:39:43
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Wookiee
The note issue in staff view is a known bug, this has been confirmed by Cakewalk. Sorry don't have the official log number to hand. It is not listed as fixed in the new build.
It is a very nearly show stopping PITA. You get my vote for it to be fixed or perhaps we will get a free copy of the new notation software that Cake have just taken over.
I hadn't heard about this. Where can I find out more?
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subtlearts
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Re:Staff view broken,Please,FIX!
2011/04/07 04:01:33
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pretty sure that was an April 1 special...
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