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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/07 18:48:45 (permalink)
Hi Beep. Not that you are likely to ever do this but DO NOT open up a Kurzweil synthesiser and touch any of the Operating system or setup Eprom chips in that room you are in.. The static will blow them sky high and you will end up with a useless machine. (As I have found out the hard way) Can be fixed but a cost though. When you buy new system chips for a Kurzweil they give you a special anti static wrist strap that avoids all this.

Although it is unlikely you will be opening up a Kurzweil synth be careful opening up any gear in that environment. You wont even see a spark or feel anything necessarily but you can blow things up left right and centre if you are not careful with static and working inside gear doing maintenance.






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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 12:19:01 (permalink)
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And moshie... I don't think the power is bad in here. I was just referring to bub's comment about power bars screwing up grounds. This is a rather fancy one that comes with equipment insurance and everything. I think up to $10,000.
 
I would still talk to an electrician ... it might have a rather easy solution ... that was overlooked and such ... I can't imagine that thing being built, and fit ... to electrical static shocks!
 
Something is wrong somewhere ... and usually these thigns do not get better. Please be sensible. I helped wire a whole theater, and the one thing that we looked for every inch of wiring was? ... static being wasted and not being routed correctly. We basically made sure that 100% of all the energy moving went where it was supposed to. If there is static, I am willing to bet that a lot of the related energy it is being wasted.
 
As to what is the issue? ... I would leave it to a professional to find it ... knowing that these moments are the ones that define "safety" from "insanity"! Your choice!
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 15:07:49 (permalink)
I agree, it can't hurt to have an electrician check things out.  You can also use an outlet tester to check for proper grounding and installation (having one backwards could be deadly).  The last big house I had turned out to have most outlets ungrounded!  Scary stuff.

 
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 18:54:10 (permalink)
Cheers, guys. Been busy dorking around with crap today. Needed a guitar fix too so I set up my amp and slapped around the Yammie for a bit. Felt good.

Can't afford an electrician and I don't have a voltage meter but I do have a voltage tester so I can at least check the grounds. I've been very much getting into the regular habit of discharging myself on the coax poles of my power bar and when not near that on switch faceplate screws as I roam around. I figure it's a good habit to develop anyway.

Have a humidifier coming and some dryer sheets too so I'll be seeing how effective that stuff is and I'll see if I can borrow a meter. I'm not an electrician but before I finally had to call it quits as a handy dude that was my next goal so I know a little about electrical and testing outlets and stuff is relatively simple. I'll just have to give myself a refresher and fortunately the intertubes are full of them... I also have my old home repair books in this pile of junk somewhere too.

Just been plowing through so much other stupid stuff since I've been here this has kind of hit the backburner for now. It does however need to be dealt with. 

I did however have a very nice guitar session working on some ancient tunes of mine I've been meaning to record as I looked out over my tremendous view and it was quite blissful. I think this may... just possibly... for once... work out.

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 19:12:57 (permalink)
Here's what I was talking about.  I keep a couple around - they're cheap, but can save a life!


 
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 19:17:36 (permalink)
Ah yes... but isn't that just a more convenient version of the old two probe testers? I probably should snag one anyway but if my current tester does the same thing I'd like to use it if only to feed my brain with some old school electrical knowledge. I find that type of thing interesting. Cheers.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 19:25:15 (permalink)
BTW it's been kind of damp here today and I notice a sharp decrease in shocks. I think the humidifier is really gonna lick this issue. It's rated for 2000 sq' and I think I've got about 600 here. Should be interesting to see what happens... well to me it's interesting anyway... yanno... cause I'm a dork. ;-p
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 20:37:35 (permalink)
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BTW it's been kind of damp here today and I notice a sharp decrease in shocks. I think the humidifier is really gonna lick this issue. It's rated for 2000 sq' and I think I've got about 600 here. Should be interesting to see what happens... well to me it's interesting anyway... yanno... cause I'm a dork. ;-p


Yeah, now you're going to have all of your gear sweating from too much humidity!  Hehe...

 
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 21:21:14 (permalink)
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BTW it's been kind of damp here today and I notice a sharp decrease in shocks. I think the humidifier is really gonna lick this issue. It's rated for 2000 sq' and I think I've got about 600 here. Should be interesting to see what happens... well to me it's interesting anyway... yanno... cause I'm a dork. ;-p

That should make a huge difference.
Back in Denver, relative humidity in the Winter was usually around 7%. Throw in scorched air furnaces and synthetic carpet, and major static was the norm. Nylon blend socks really bring it on. We couldn't touch the cat without lighting her up. Man, she hated that.
If we boiled a kettle of water, it really took the edge off. Still, touching something to discharge the static was standard procedure.
Nothing against our coastal brethren, but living in Northern or high altitude locations has its peculiarities.
Since moving to Fort Worth, I rarely experience the static that was normal back in Denver.



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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/08 21:44:54 (permalink)
Nothing like combining a couple of threads together, ya?


 
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 00:03:01 (permalink)
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Ah yes... but isn't that just a more convenient version of the old two probe testers? I probably should snag one anyway but if my current tester does the same thing I'd like to use it if only to feed my brain with some old school electrical knowledge. I find that type of thing interesting. Cheers.
Those yellow stubby testers are great for checking incorrect wiring, but they won't tell you if you have a low voltage leak from Ground to Neutral.

The wife and I installed an exhaust fan in the main bathroom today. Oddly, nobody had ever done it ... but there is a switch in the bathroom that does nothing, so we assumed it was for a fan that never got installed. We were right.

We got up in the attic and right at the very end of the wall above the shower where the fan would logically go, there was a wire that was buried in the insulation. The wife gave it a tug, and the wire came up out of the insulation and the ends were bare, not a single wire nut. Just a bare 14 gauge wire jammed down in the 23 year old blown in insulation. It's amazing the place didn't burn down years ago.

I checked it with my meter and there was 2.3VAC from N-G, H-G, and H-N. I go flip the switch and check it again at the end of the wire and got 120VAC from H-G and H-N ... but still 2.3VAC from N-G. This would not have shown up on one of those little yellow testers.

I go kill the switch and verify the 120VAC was gone, and it was.

The ends of the wire were all bent and mangled so we cut an inch or so off, then stripped it back, installed the fan, ran the vent hose, and went to test it. Dead! No lights in the bathroom, no fan, no outlets. After running around in a panic mode and flipping breakers, it dawned on me to check the GFI breaker by the sink, and low and behold, when I cut the wires, even with only 2.3VAC going through them, it tripped the GFI. Reset it and everything worked perfectly.

Point is ... if there's a grounding problem, it doesn't take much of a voltage to really screw things up. Like I said before, 0.3VAC from N-G is the maximum allowance for copiers. There used to be a registration card I had to fill out with voltage readings, circuit amperage, install date, etc etc that I had to send back to the manufacturer. If they didn't get it, they wouldn't honor the warranty if something happened.

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 16:33:32 (permalink)
Bub, the voltage you measured is getting more common every year. The ground and neutral should be at the same potential but as the electrical grid is expanded the utility companies get sloppy with grounding. Rural areas often use grounding rods on the property to avoid this. I wouldn't be concerned about your leakage but it's good to check it every year or two.

You should check the panel ground connection to be sure it's tight and also look at any water pipe grounds for corrosion.

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 16:58:01 (permalink)
Not sure on the building your in Beep but another thing kinda along the lines Bub and John are talking about.

I wonder how the load is distributed throughout the building.  As these places get older and maintenance does things, loads become unbalanced with improper installation.

Example is adding more items to one side instead of equally across the box.  Thats the advantage of running things on 220 vs 110.  Makes you keep it balanced.  When the unbalanced occurs, the current will try and find easier ways to the neutral or ground wiring.

Just a thought on the balancing within the building.


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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 17:11:19 (permalink)
Wow... this takes me back to the mid 60s. There is nothing quite like getting your lip zapped by a SM57 pistol mic... playing outdoors.

About 10 years ago the Dr had me taking a low dose of trazadone to help me sleep. I was taking 50mg but using a 100mg tablet so I would hld the tablet and break it in half. I was staying up late back then and didn't turn on the light when I came to bed and would notice that the tablet would make a visible spark when I would break it... I've never seen another tablet do that. I wouldn't feel it but I sure could see it. Weird, me thinks.

This is just one more reason to not like cold weather... but I wonder if static electricity is a year 'round problem in Yuma... ???

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 17:12:00 (permalink)
hmm... You guys are worrying me a little. I don't think I'm really gonna have the time or resources to mess with this to the extent suggested.

Couple of questions... I've mentioned the Belkin power bar which as I said is supposed to condition the power but I also spent the extra dough and got a fancy Coolermaster 700w PSU for the DAW. I seem to recall it has proctection features as well. I mean if something is actually out of whack with the power in here should those two things just cut the power before something nasty happens? 

  Also my humidifier got here today. Stupid thing says I'm supposed to replace a filter all the time which is annoying me because I can't afford to constantly be dumping cash into it. I pulled the filter out and it looks like it something I might be able to rinse out however it also mentions that hard water will make the filter clog up faster. Water is definitely hard in here. Maybe I should run the water through my Brita first. 

Meh... I'm sure everything will be fine. I think the power in my old place was worse than the power here. Lights were always dimming and stuff there. Haven't had any of that here. 

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 17:25:21 (permalink)
LOL Craig... that reminds me of the time I wrapped a little piece of clear tape (Scotch tape) around each foot on my cat... it was hilarious.. she danced. Of course I took them off pretty quickly. The cat was NOT amused.
Cats also love it when you get a small paper bag, put a few dried beans in it, and tie it to their tail... not that I have ever done that.
The funniest thing I have ever seen a cat do was when I was a teen... there was a dead snake in the back yard. I would hold the cat and drop it on the snake and I swear the cat would hit the ground and bounce straight back up into my arms with no visible movement of her legs or feet. She did it like four times then bounced off at an angle... I am sorry but to a young me... that was really LOL funny and harmless to the cat (at least physically).
I just pet them now... lately they have been getting revenge though.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 17:30:11 (permalink)
Beep... open your sockets (with the main breaker OFF) and check to see if your ground wires are tight. All of them, the circuit is all connected and even a couple of loose ground wires will make noise and cause other problems. You may also need to do a new ground outside at the power meter. If the one you have is not deep/long enough it wont ground well... and I imagine your soil could make a difference in how well your circuit is grounded. Also, power provider may come out and help you. I know Georgia Power will because they have come to my house to help me solve electrical noise... no charge either.

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 18:41:41 (permalink)
I wouldnt hurt your head to much with the electrical beep until you run the humidifier for a while-As long as it isnt hitting you everytime you touch something plugged into the wall.

Do you know what your humidity levels are inside?

Is this a single house or a housing complex of some sort?

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 20:29:11 (permalink)
Although I do have access to my own unit's panels I think I'd be breaking my lease if I started yanking off the faceplates.

I'll see how the humidifier does and re-read the info on this power bar and my PSU.

The care instructions for this humidifier are ridiculous. It has a DAILY maintenance section as well as a weekly maintenance section. If I did all that crap I'd be spending a few hours a week just screwing around with the thing. Forget that shiz... lol. It'll get rinsed and wiped when I can see it's getting dirty.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 20:42:17 (permalink)
You definitely need to filter the water for your humidifier Beepster, otherwise you're going to see large amounts of dust lying on everything and I'm not sure it's too healthy to be breathing in vapor from unfiltered water. You could even get the cheapo bottles of distilled water from the supermarket which would be ideal. Otherwise yes Brita that junk up! I would do your best to follow the care instructions because humidifiers can get clogged and dirty very quickly if you don't stay on top of them. The last thing you need is for it to start growing mold. 

Also I would start with the lowest setting and increase it until the static is no longer a problem. I think a lot of people overdo it with humidifiers - excessive damp is as much of a problem as dry air. Put it this way, if your windows are getting wet then it's definitely too high. 

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:05:43 (permalink)
I'm just hoping this will go away when spring comes.

  It's gonna be a real pain trying to keep this thing full with my Brita though. The water compartments on this thing add up to 2.2 gallons. I should probably invest in a tap mounted one anyway. 

I will be keeping it clean but seriously the amount of fiddle faddle they recommend is just ridiculous. I'll just wipe the bugger down with some vinegar every now and then and call it a day. Maybe a teaspoon in the actually filter wanter every couple of cycles might keep things clean too. Not sure what harm that would do aside from make the place smell a bit but it might cut down on the cigarette smell. Haven't smoked inside for a few years and I'll tell ya... I'm not digging it. Gotta quit.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:07:57 (permalink)
And I just wanna say I LOVE it when Jeff posts. Not only is he a smart cool dude... I get to see his ever so cute puppeh. She reminds me of my friends old girl who was a darlin'.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:26:20 (permalink)
I am a bit worried about my dog. I am feeling a bit emotional about her right now. She is 14 but seems to have got old suddenly. She is very blind and deaf and her back legs are failing and her toilet training is going out the window a bit. Time is getting near I suppose. She still wags her tail and is pleased to see me first thing in the morning and keeps me company in the studio.

Back to static. I hope it all works out well for you Beep. I find the little shocks annoying too. But luckily no static issues here. Or well in my studio at least. Not so lucky on the bench though with that Kurzweil. It has become worse now and I think I have blown what is called the engine board which is a lager part to replace actually and a little costly.  ($150 or so)

But the good news is I have got three Kurzweils and two of them are very happy little vegemites and just keep on powering away. Maybe Bit might give me his engine board! It's alright Dave I have got two so I can still live. 

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:41:14 (permalink)
Aww... that's sad to hear. I hope she finds her second childhood. Sometimes when they are old they go through phases as they adjust to new creaks and pains then come back to life a bit. 14 is getting up there though. This past year or so I've seen about five of my friends little buddies pass on due to old age, many of whom I knew since they were puppies. It's always sad but they will generally tell you when it's time so don't let her go prematurely. Then when the time comes make sure you've got people around to have a pint with or whatever to keep your mind off it. Take care.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:51:42 (permalink)
You have given me an idea Beep. I might throw a Lucy party after she passes. It would be a cracker. Many of our friends know her and have done so all her life. Many of them are musicians and there would be some serious jamming at that party. I have got a great PA and all the backline gear too. Thanks for that.  

I am almost as sad about my third Kurzweil though! I might throw a Kurzweil party when that passes. And it will. 

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:55:10 (permalink)
I have a dog walking business and we've seen thousands of dogs over the years. It's amazing how different they all are when it comes to aging. Some seem old and decrepit at 10, while others are still running around at age 17. We just lost one of our oldest, Umbra, at 18 years old. She was a bit slow her last year but never stopped enjoying her walks. I also remember a Vizsla a few years ago that was 17. She had to wear diapers indoors but she thought she was a puppy when she was outside. I gather the owners had her on some kind of brain medication that staved off senility, can't remember what it was called but it sure seemed to work. 

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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 21:56:10 (permalink)
Yeah, man. Puppy wakes are good for the soul. Even better is when it gets close to that time have all her friends over to hang out with her and shower her with love and her favorite foods. They love that. Cheers. :-)
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Re:Static electricity in a studio... 2012/12/09 22:15:10 (permalink)
Chicken is her favourite food. (bacon is up there too) I think it is all their favourite isn't it. One thing I have noticed is her sense of smell is almost getting better and she is very aware of what we are cooking and stuff. She never used to bother with it much. We are tripping over her in the kitchen a lot now. We have had her on a high quality dried food forever and she has been in almost perfect health the whole time. She has never been zapped with static electricity though. After we have to keep on topic. 

That is a nice story too sharke. May you all have a great Christmas.
post edited by Jeff Evans - 2012/12/09 22:17:09

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