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Static electricity in a studio...
Every time I touch something in here I get zapped... like BAD. As annoying as that is in itself I'm worried about my gear. How do you guys keep static electricity down and avoid damage to equipment? All I can think of is a humidifier. BTW... it's electric baseboard heat in here. Cheers.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 12:45:26
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They make floor mats specifically for dissipating static electricity buildup. Da' ain't cheep though. :) But well worth it if it's a situation like yours. Hmmm $100 bucks for a floor mat ... or $3,000 for a DAW and 4 days of heartache setting it back up. Hmmm? :-) I always discharge myself on a metal cabinet such as the chassy of a rack mount compressor or mic pre. Something solid state like that is relatively safe to discharge yourself on. I've blown so many things up over the years just by touching them, it's not even funny. I blew up a $7,000 copier one time just by walking up to it and tapping the touchscreen to wake it up out of sleep/energy saver mode. Of course, you have to make sure you have proper ground at your new place. A rule of thumb is less than .3VAC between Neutral and Ground. Technically there should be none, but there is an accepted tolerance level, at least there was when I was working on sensitive electronics. .3 was what all the manufacturers say is the limit when you check the power source for copiers. If you are using a power strip, check the ground at it's outlets. The #1 grounding problem I saw was power strips that start going bad, they have a tendency to cause the ground to go bad and I've seen them go as high as 5VAC from N - G. Can ya tell I'm bored this morning and rambling on? LOL! I really should go do something constructive. :) Good luck with that!
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 12:56:38
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hmm... well I bought a fancy Belkin surge protection/power conditioning power bar. Hope that will cut it. Can't afford any fancy new mats but I do have a roll of that rubber underpadding for laminate floors. I was planning on cutting some of that up and putting the pieces under my gear to reduce vibrations so maybe that will help. Gonna have to really get into the habit of touching the screws on outlet plates or something. Grrr... why does everything have to be so whack? :-/ Have a good day, bub. I should get back to my war on dust.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 13:14:05
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It's just that time of year. I get sparks when I put my key in the lock sometimes. And touching an elevator button after having walked on carpet? Zap. Can't pet kitties either.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 13:51:58
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Yup, A humidifier and watch what kinda clothes you wear.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 14:18:22
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Same thing here.... low humidity and dragging my butt outta the chair charges me up every time. So it's good practice to find something grounded.... in my case that is the chassis of an under counter light in the studio. Or the on/off toggle switch on my amp.... or anything else grounded. I get that little spark and then it's OK to proceed touching the laptop, the DAW, and anything else connected to the DAW. I've forgotten plenty of times and nothing has happened but it really only takes one time to punch a hole in the barrier of one silicon transistor to screw things up royally. Surge protectors work on the power coming in from the wall.... not on the surge you introduced into the mic moving back down the cable towards the inputs..... Make it a habit to discharge during spark season.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 14:38:13
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hmm... well I bought a fancy Belkin surge protection/power conditioning power bar. Hope that will cut it I would think that the location has bad wiring that is also not grounded properly. I am not an electrician, however, and can not say I know enough about it! ... but I imagine that situations like this do not get better, and probably spend 50/100 to discuss this with an electrician that knows his poop!
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 15:10:55
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Herb has a great point, Our PMEL Lab for equipment had a copper plates grounded and each entry used to discharge (by touching) prior to entering the calibration rooms.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 16:07:03
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There are two coax connectors on the Belkin power dealy that seem to do a good job of destaticamizing myself. I think I'll use those. Gonna have to get a humidifier though. I got one zap yesterday that went through my jeans and long johns into my knee that felt like I got tap by a doctors medical hammer. Crazy. And moshie... I don't think the power is bad in here. I was just referring to bub's comment about power bars screwing up grounds. This is a rather fancy one that comes with equipment insurance and everything. I think up to $10,000.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 16:44:09
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That's a little more than a friendly static zap there Beepster. :) If ya have access to a volt meter, I'd check out that neutral to ground voltage. :)
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 16:52:22
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Well these zaps are happening when I touch pretty much anything metal like the door frames and what not so I really don't think it's an electrical issue. Just very very staticy. I think all that laminate dust is absorbing what little moisture was left in the air. Seems to be a little less severe now that I've wiped a bunch of it of the floors and walls. However I've probably only hit about 30% of the place at this point. Gotta stop today because moving all my crap around yet again is really toasting my back. Super pissed about that but maybe it'll give me some leverage on the big stuff I want done around here.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/05 16:53:31
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Oh and when that really bad one happened I was handling some blankets that get staticy in the best of conditions so it was like a double whammy. Cheers.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 13:10:17
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Well I figured out what's causing the static. It's the laminate flooring. They must have cheaped out on the underlay. I see some kind of anti static treatment for laminate being referred to elsewhere on the tubes (gearslutz was one funnily enough... even though I never really look at that site). I'll have to find some of that and get a humidifier and hope for the best.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 13:27:27
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Those baseboard electric heaters do a really good job of drying out the air and the surrounding objects. When the air is dry things tend to become more prone to static electricity. If you come in there wearing rubber soled shoes rubbing them on the floor it charges you like a big capacitor. Carpet is notorious for collecting charges. I'm guessing that Laminate flooring collects it too. I had a spark jump off a microphone onto my nose one time after I had walked 30ft wearing a pair of big rubber sole sneakers. I don't know how much voltage I accumulated but it was enough to send a lightening stalk 2" into my nose. I had a little red circle on my nose for awhile, made a little popping sound. I thought maybe I had experienced the holy ghost for a minute there ;-) The slow motion photography would have been interesting to watch with me wailing in one of those deep low kung foo voices right before the punch. I'm sure glad toilets or loos aren't made of metal.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 13:36:54
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hmm... maybe I'll have to stop wearing my rubber soled slippers. However the floors that didn't get redone are nasty. Gonna have to get them to fix that. Not happy they left them in that condition. I thought rubber soles would have the opposite effect on static electricity.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 14:20:33
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Here's a tip I learned because I hate the same thing: Keep one of those dryer sheets (like Bounce Free) with you and rub yourself or other things down. I like to wear fleece coats and, when I take them off, I'm ripe to get zapped so I just do a quick wipe down with a sheet I keep in my pocket and... no zaps!
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 14:22:42
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hmm... Maybe I could attach one to a Swiffer thingy and wipe the floors with it. Wonder if that would help.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 14:33:06
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The charge that builds up is just like lightning..... caused by the friction of two objects passing each other. It just has a much lower voltage potential in your room.... it's still capable of a few hundred to over a thousand volts.... but with very low current. In my case it's cotton jeans sliding across a polyester chair's seat cushion.... it drags enough electrons loose to make a > 1/4" or so spark on the other end. Still, that's a several hundred if not a thousand volts or more, rushing to ground through my equipment. If the gear is on, when this occurs, you will hear the "pop" in the speakers.... that indicates it got into the audio path..... Just touch something grounded. Or, it is really bothersome.... do what they do in many labs..... go to an electronics store and buy a grounding strap and put it on before to start working. It is a bracelet kind of a thing with a wire attached to a clip. The clip attaches to a grounded item.... could be with a screw or with an alligator type clip. It is constantly discharging the static build up in your body to ground. If you have the kind of chair I do, it might be worth investing in one of those things.... a few dollars at most.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 15:17:04
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Remember when pretty much all computer parts came with an anti static bracelet? I did not get a single one with any of the parts for my DAW. Now they just tell you to touch an outlet every so often while you're building. Very annoying.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 15:37:55
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Didn't some of those bracelets come without a grounding wire though? A friend of mine got one when he bought parts for his computer. It was just a bracelet with no wire. I always wondered how in the hell it was supposed to work.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 15:38:09
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My anti-static strap has a springy coil ending in an alligator clip. It's always so much fun when you're working on something, turn and the clip comes off only to whack you in the head...
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 15:41:59
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I seem to recall the cheap ones having a lead with a sticky part that you'd stick to the grounding point. Been so long since I've seen one though I can't remember. That was before I actually made any building attempts.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 15:46:00
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Beepster Remember when pretty much all computer parts came with an anti static bracelet? I did not get a single one with any of the parts for my DAW. Now they just tell you to touch an outlet every so often while you're building. Very annoying. I don't ever remember getting anti-static straps with components. I do have one that I bought on my own though. The wife came home from the barn where she boards her horse one night during the winter. She smelled like the barn and went in the bedroom to change her clothes. She took off her sweater and it lit up like a mini lightning storm all around it as she was taking it off. It was cool frickin' cool.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 19:29:59
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urgh... intercom issues and hanging curtains. Static light shows are always cool... but not near gear. Why no more avatars, bub? Are you still out of love with us? :-(
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 19:50:56
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Wow. I understand the issue with static in the winter - it's the heating that does it. Grew up outside Chicago with its stinking cold winters. Anyway, since moving to New Mexico, it's an all-year-long problem. There are some days in the summer where the humidity goes to single digits.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 20:02:35
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Oh... I didn't mean the intercom and curtains were getting screwed up because of static if that's what you meant. I was just moaning about other annoyances. But yes... it is extremely dry in here. I think I might snag the infrared heater and see if using that instead of the baseboard heat helps. I worry about that thing though. It supposedly permeates everything in the room and heats it up. Doesn't sound good for gear but it didn't asplode anything in my old room.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 23:40:04
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Beepster urgh... intercom issues and hanging curtains. Static light shows are always cool... but not near gear. Why no more avatars, bub? Are you still out of love with us? :-( Well, did you see the thread where I was talking about the fancy new wireless router I have that I can stream all my files over that are my HDD that's hooked to it? Well ... my ISP went down last weekend and I was unplugging stuff in my router room on the other end of the house to see if it was on my end. I forgot to plug in my network HDD ... and I went to change my avy's the other day, and clicked the link icon and realized I forgot to plug it back in but I keep forgetting to walk to the other end of the house and hook it back up. The other thing is ... we don't use that side of the house, but one of our dogs does. :( So on my way back out of the router room I blocked the hallway back up with a bunch of moving boxes so she can't get back there to her favorite spot in the hallway and it's just a pain in the ass to get back there. As miserable an S.O.B. as I am, I couldn't imagine not coming here and talking to you and the others. It's really the only thing that keeps me sane(ish). So yes, I'm still in love with you all. :-)
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/06 23:56:51
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Beepster I got one zap yesterday that went through my jeans and long johns into my knee that felt like I got tap by a doctors medical hammer. Crazy. That's pretty intense for static. Reminds me of our room in Spain. I'm sure the wiring was totally messed up in that place - it was living inside a giant electro-magnetic-whatsoever. How's your guitar doing? My usually relatively quiet humbucker was buzzing non-sense in that room. I remember one time I heard this weird noise just before both of the lamps on each side of the bed went poof! Keeping my hand a few millimeters over the laptop (one of those those aluminum MacBook Pro), I could actually feel the static. I'd get shocks from kissing my wife whenever she had the laptop on her.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/07 03:19:38
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Keep a couple pots of water sitting on the stove and it will evaporate into the air. The electric heat acts much like one of those fruit dehydrators. Lots of static charges (at 20,000+ volts) and ultra low humidity. If you have guitars it will torment you. Poly finishes will actually produce crackling through an amp as you move you hand on the neck or across the pick guard. If you can afford a humidifier you should get one. Keep the bathroom door open when you take a shower and it will help.
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Re:Static electricity in a studio...
2012/12/07 18:42:57
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Beepster Why no more avatars, bub? Are you still out of love with us? :-( Fixed.
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