cecelius2
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/07 00:48:29
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yorolpal
OK...I've got my crossgrade coupon code but now it looks like no matter if I order it from Steven's site or AudioMidi...it's a "download only" product. Surely this has to be 30 or 40 gigs big (although I can't find a complete size anywhere either). Has anyone purchased and downloaded this yet and if so, what's the story????
I bought EX4 last Friday and if I remember correctly it was around 7 or 8gigs. The sample library itself was right around 7gigs +/- a few mbs if I remember correctly. I assume you bought Platinum (and not EX) which you should for the money; if you did, you can expect a much larger download. Sure wish I had done that crossgrade option to get Platinum instead of getting EX4 as an upgrade, but the crossgrade had not yet been offered on the audiomidi site and I bought in haste. EX4 has 25 kits that are pretty nice. Platinum has 100 which I suspect will be worth it. From hindsight I now feel that I made a mistake by not getting Platinum. I might still upgrade to it, but the upgrade cost from EX4 is the same as your crossgrade price. Good luck with what is probably going to be a long download.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/07 11:46:32
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Well, I tried to purchase from Steven's site and put in my coupon code in the appropriate box. Then you have to go all the way through the purchase procedure and then on the very last page it is supposed to recalculate your discount. It didn't. So I bailed. Guess I'll try getting it from AudioMidi instead. Sheesh.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/07 19:10:37
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Steven Slate
Hi Folks.
Sorry about the sync issue with the midi grooves, its fixed and will arrive in next update along with the MIDI GROOVE pack. Other than that, I'm really happy with SSD4 in terms of a V1 Release. I'm sorry if anyone here has had to wait for any support during the holiday.
SSD4 is really a completely new animal from the previous Kontakt version. The new Deluxe kits are unprocessed but still recorded with extremely fine tuned technique, with about four times the sample layering. I tried to cover about every genre from Jazz to Metal to House and Hip Hop.
The SSD4 Player is meant to be a drum instrument with lightening fast workflow and a simple and elegant design that allows you to make quality drums sounds without hassle. I think it meets these goals. It also plays very well on edrums.
If anyone has any questions regarding SSD4, SSD4 and Sonar, or has any other kind of questions for me, I'll watch this thread or you can hit me up at slate@stevenslate.com
Cheers,
Steven
I used my EX coupon to get SDD Sampler 4.0ex-I love the sounds but some kind of user manual would help. I am pretty disappointed with that. It's confusing for this old rocker guitar player-is a manual coming? There is a quickstart guide-but I am missing much of the program-can't see sample when I clck view samples, among other stuff. Thanks
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 01:26:40
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If you had a coupon issue, email support and they can get you a new coupon: www.slatedigital.com/support There should be a PDF manual in the account area, if not, maybe someone took it down to edit it.. either way it'll be back up this week for sure. There will also be an EX to Platinum upgrade package too. Thanks, Steven
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 09:47:39
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Steven Slate
If you had a coupon issue, email support and they can get you a new coupon:
www.slatedigital.com/support
There should be a PDF manual in the account area, if not, maybe someone took it down to edit it.. either way it'll be back up this week for sure.
There will also be an EX to Platinum upgrade package too.
Thanks,
Steven
That's Great Steven, Thanks very much-I'll keep checking on it.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 11:30:29
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Just downloaded (but haven't installed yet) my SSD4 Platinum package. Does anybody know if the "sync to host" feature has been added yet?
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Philip
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 11:42:53
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Not to derail the op (Sorry Yorolpal) ... but I looked up SS drums and can't really justify it over Superior drums (which I already have).
Is there any significant reason I might should buy SteveSlate Drums?
And/or why do your (all) prefer this drum machine?
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 12:21:11
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I'm probably not the best person to answer that as I just think you almost can't have too many drums. Or can you?
I like the sound of Steven's drums very much and find them very useable in various styles of production. In truth one could probably get by with any one of the top level packages (i.e. Superior/EZDrummer, BFD, Addictive, Oceanway, etc...) but having a bunch of colors in your box is great too. I'm getting the SSD4 for mainly two reasons: 1] I much prefer the proprietary GUI to the Kontakt implementation and 2] The crossgrade price is attractive. YMMV.
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cecelius2
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 16:42:08
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yorolpal
Just downloaded (but haven't installed yet) my SSD4 Platinum package. Does anybody know if the "sync to host" feature has been added yet?
Yorolpal: So how big was the platinum download? How many gigs? I am still on the fence on getting platinum. I am giving audiomidi a call to see if they will exchange the EX4 for Platinum4 and charge me for the difference. I know they probably will not because it is software. The sound quality of SSD is excellent, but some are complaining about the CPU/memory hit. That should not be a problem for you with your studiocat I-7. Let us know the GB size and also what you think about Platinum once you play with it a while.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 16:49:20
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All told the "rarred" download is about 9 gigs. You've got 8 one gig files and 1 "just under" one gig file and then some ancillary smaller files. It took me about 45 minutes per gig to download. It would've been faster but my server is being quirky the last few days. I've installed it now...but haven't had a chance to goof with it. I'll keep ya posted.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 16:52:08
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On the one hand I want as many drums as I can get. On the other hand there are kits I own and have not even explored yet. OWD (Gold) - for Kontakt All the NI Abbey Road Drumkits Jet City - by Studiocat Neil Peart - for Kontakt Voxengo - individual kit pieces Slate 3.x FX with all the packs for Kontakt But.... it is only $149 
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cecelius2
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 17:59:24
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yorolpal
All told the "rarred" download is about 9 gigs. You've got 8 one gig files and 1 "just under" one gig file and then some ancillary smaller files. It took me about 45 minutes per gig to download. It would've been faster but my server is being quirky the last few days. I've installed it now...but haven't had a chance to goof with it. I'll keep ya posted.
That is very interesting! Thanks. EX4 (with 1/4 the number "drumkits" as Platinum4) is right at 7 gigs total (I went back and checked my EX4 download). I had thought that Platinum4 would have been at least three times as big as EX4 because EX4 has 25 and Platinum4 has 100 preset drumkits. However, I just realized that these are not 100 drumkits, but 100 presets, which means that the 100 presets have different combinations of drums selected from their sample library to be used in the player. There are clearly some more samples (a couple of gigs) as your 9 gig download indicates, but not 4 times the numbers of samples. That is my guess on how it works. Is that how it works? On two different notes 1-Did they release the extra grooves yet? My EX4 has three sets of grooves: one alternative, one indie rock, and one country rock, each with some song components---verse, chorus, bridge etc. So did they give you the extra grooves--can yo tell? 2-can you tell if it is 64 bit? I did just speak with the sales dept at audiomidi and as I suspected I am stuck with EX4. They can't exchange it for Platinum4 since I have registered it already; that is just the way it works with software purchases. So I am trying to do the math and justify the extra $150 from EX4 to Platinum4. Sounds like platinum does have more presets but not as many extra samples as I first thought. Thanks Yorolpal and others for giving your feedback and experiences. This helps me (and probably help others also) make purchasing decisions. Cecelius2
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 20:23:04
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cecelius2
On two different notes
1-Did they release the extra grooves yet? 2-can you tell if it is 64 bit?
I did just speak with the sales dept at audiomidi and as I suspected I am stuck with EX4. They can't exchange it for Platinum4 since I have registered it already
Cecelius2
1- not yet, Thursday possible 2- same here, fill out & send a support ticket to Slate & explain your situation ( if you own AD, SD2 or others for the crossgrade mention that too.)
post edited by carl - 2012/01/09 20:41:12
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 20:28:53
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Philip
Is there any significant reason I might should buy SteveSlate Drums?
And/or why do your (all) prefer this drum machine?
They're clean, have an authentic drum kit vibe & sit well in the mix. The software needs a few tweaks but they sound great.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 21:44:50
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I so want to have this drum package work because I really love the sound of the kits but HATE Kontakt with an almost religious fervor now because of how horrid it's output routing is and how miserable I am every time I try to integrate some new kit into it.
I have been reading the gearslutz forums on this and my overall impression is that this product is working well already if you have VDrums or some other type setup. If you are just keyboard player like me with a genetically inferior sense of beatmaking it seems like not ready for prime time. I need host sync and the grooves. Now....that said I will note that GrooveMonkee is supporting SS drums with their packages and I have 6 of those (and they are awesome I might add). That temporarily solves the grooves problem but no host sync is just not acceptable.
I have till the 20th to use my coupon and if they get this right by then I will bite. I would pay the upgrade price for a stable and useable alternative to Kontakt. My sanity is worth it. I like having the choices in drum packs but I have to say Superior Drummer 2.0 is really hard to beat for ease of use for someone like me.
Ken
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 22:12:23
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I so want to have this drum package work because I really love the sound of the kits but HATE Kontakt with an almost religious fervor now because of how horrid it's output routing is and how miserable I am every time I try to integrate some new kit into it.
It doesn't use Kontakt
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 22:39:23
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inaheartbeat
I so want to have this drum package work because I really love the sound of the kits but HATE Kontakt with an almost religious fervor now because of how horrid it's output routing is and how miserable I am every time I try to integrate some new kit into it.
It doesn't use Kontakt
Yes THAT is the attraction cause right now SSD 3.5 platinum DOES use Kontakt and that is what I hate and what would motivate me to buy the SSD 4 software upgrade. I may not have been clear on that. I know SSD 4 is standalone. Thank god for that. Ken
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/09 23:36:39
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Thanks Yorol', Carl, Bapu, and others,
I suppose the Slate drum transients are stronger than most other kits out there ... as Slate employs that exquisite transient-'enhancing' art in his Slate Limiter ... to the uttermost.
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cecelius2
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/10 00:46:12
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I have been reading the gearslutz forums on this and my overall impression is that this product is working well already if you have VDrums or some other type setup. If you are just keyboard player like me with a genetically inferior sense of beatmaking it seems like not ready for prime time. I need host sync and the grooves. Now....that said I will note that GrooveMonkee is supporting SS drums with their packages and I have 6 of those (and they are awesome I might add). That temporarily solves the grooves problem but no host sync is just not acceptable.
I have till the 20th to use my coupon and if they get this right by then I will bite. I would pay the upgrade price for a stable and useable alternative to Kontakt. My sanity is worth it. I like having the choices in drum packs but I have to say Superior Drummer 2.0 is really hard to beat for ease of use for someone like me.
Ken
Yeah. Check out Gearslutz and SSD's forums. Your impression seems accurate to me. You probably want to get the Platinum4 which for the money looks very nice. I made the mistake of getting EX4 instead of Platinum. The SSD4 player is the same for both (I think). Like you I too am not a drummer, and it is that appeal to e-drummers that is bolstering such good reviews. If you need grooves, which I do also, then you might want to wait and see what others say once the grooves finally arrive (supposedly Thursday??). Also I think you mention in post #47 that there is a standalone version; there was not one when I bought it last week. I am using Savihost as a workaround for not having a standalone mode. SSD4 is also somewhat of a heavy hit on memory/cpu. This is not a problem for some, and probably not for your computer given your specs. But when coupled with other heavy plugins like Omnisphere for example, well, we will see what happens when it happens. Further there are no internal effects, no compression or reverb; so you must figure on using vst compressors, gates, reverbs . . . , some of which can also be demanding on the memory/cpu. For me the appeal of SSD4 is the quality of the sounds. Very impressive, clean and they do cut through a mix. However, I too am waiting to see what grooves, other features and stability will come with the rest of product when the next step in this strange ongoing release process takes place. Enuf said for now.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/10 10:48:47
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Funny thing is that I installed night before last...and it was late...but I seem to remember that it DID give the 64bit option...which I chose. I'll try and check later today and see if I'm just making that up...it wouldn't be the first time;-)
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/10 10:56:46
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yorolpal
I'm probably not the best person to answer that as I just think you almost can't have too many drums. Or can you?
I like the sound of Steven's drums very much and find them very useable in various styles of production. In truth one could probably get by with any one of the top level packages (i.e. Superior/EZDrummer, BFD, Addictive, Oceanway, etc...) but having a bunch of colors in your box is great too. I'm getting the SSD4 for mainly two reasons: 1] I much prefer the proprietary GUI to the Kontakt implementation and 2] The crossgrade price is attractive. YMMV.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/10 10:58:56
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yorolpal
Well, I tried to purchase from Steven's site and put in my coupon code in the appropriate box. Then you have to go all the way through the purchase procedure and then on the very last page it is supposed to recalculate your discount. It didn't. So I bailed. Guess I'll try getting it from AudioMidi instead. Sheesh.
I had the same problem, so SS lost a sale for now. I wrote them, but heard nothing back (though it was the holidays so I didn't expect a quick response). I have plenty of great drums/plugins so I don't really need this, but if the price is good, I'd probably go back for it.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/10 12:40:55
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yorolpal
Funny thing is that I installed night before last...and it was late...but I seem to remember that it DID give the 64bit option...which I chose. I'll try and check later today and see if I'm just making that up...it wouldn't be the first time;-)
v1.06 does have a x64 dll & works fine here.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/10 12:54:47
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Looks nice but me, Superior Drummer and RMX are besties. Lol.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/11 16:36:16
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I bought SSD4EX a couple of days ago, so here are my thoughts on this upgrade:
1. Download time for each of the 6 rar files was around 50 minutes here in the UK (a problem if you suffer from CRC errors)
2. The loading time for one of the kits in the new sample player is a lot longer than it was for 3.5 in Kontakt.
3. As of today (Jan 11th) there is no user manual available on the Slate site, only a quick guide, and some features you need to work out.
4. The supplied kits are excellent as you might expect from Steven Slate.
5. There has been a lot of posting regarding the supplied grooves - apparently there were going to be a lot more than you actually get, but hey, lots of people charge for grooves (Groove Monkey, Slam Tracks etc) so I guess we're lucky to get any.
6. The humanize function available in 3.5 is no longer available in 4.0.
7. At present there are no additional kits available to buy, like there were for 3.5 (only a consideration for us 4.0EX people).
This is by no means negative - like I said, the kits are excellent and the new sample player is quite simple to use (once you've figured it out !). Let's hope that the Slate team are planning some development upgrades to fine tune the player to make it a 'necessity' rather than a 'nice to have'.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/11 20:35:48
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Wigge
I bought SSD4EX a couple of days ago, so here are my thoughts on this upgrade:
1. Download time for each of the 6 rar files was around 50 minutes here in the UK (a problem if you suffer from CRC errors)
2. The loading time for one of the kits in the new sample player is a lot longer than it was for 3.5 in Kontakt.
3. As of today (Jan 11th) there is no user manual available on the Slate site, only a quick guide, and some features you need to work out.
4. The supplied kits are excellent as you might expect from Steven Slate.
5. There has been a lot of posting regarding the supplied grooves - apparently there were going to be a lot more than you actually get, but hey, lots of people charge for grooves (Groove Monkey, Slam Tracks etc) so I guess we're lucky to get any.
6. The humanize function available in 3.5 is no longer available in 4.0.
7. At present there are no additional kits available to buy, like there were for 3.5 (only a consideration for us 4.0EX people).
This is by no means negative - like I said, the kits are excellent and the new sample player is quite simple to use (once you've figured it out !). Let's hope that the Slate team are planning some development upgrades to fine tune the player to make it a 'necessity' rather than a 'nice to have'.
Yea I have read on the gearslutz chatter a lot of negatives about load times and memory consumption. I really do NOT like Kontakt but one thing that is undeniable is that it has great tools for sample thinning so you don't lose any sounds but get rid of stuff you are not using. If only the output routing was as well thought out! Ken
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/13 12:20:43
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v1.07 now out.
Also Groove Monkee mapped it's Twisted library for it, others will follow.
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/13 13:38:47
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Do you just need to download the sample engine?? No new library thingys?
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/13 16:44:35
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yorolpal
Do you just need to download the sample engine?? No new library thingys?
I only dl'd the 1.07 engine, no mention from Slate that the samples were changed. There's going to be more grooves added. I hope they all don't have to all be dl'd again since the first rar automatically extracts the other 8. Think I'll contact support to see what's up.
post edited by carl - 2012/01/13 17:32:54
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Re:Steven Slate Drums 4.0 is here!!!
2012/01/13 19:12:04
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Yup...just looks like the sample engine's all that is required.
Here's the first thing I've found just goofing with it: The Kits are all defaulted to "drummers view" (i.e. toms (Hi to Floor) and cymbals (Hat to Ride) moving left to right). I have all my kits in all my projects using "audience view" as this seems much more natural when listening (pick your favorite Steely Dan album and it will be quite evident). HiHat slightly right and toms running right to left (Hi to Floor). On every other drum emulator I've got there's just a single switch for this which also changes the overhead and room ambiences. No such luck as yet on Slate. You CAN, of course, pan the drums and cymbals as you wish and then resave them as a new kit...only there's a hitch...some of the cymbals won't pan...at all. Maybe it has something to do with the overheads but I couldn't get two or three of them to pan anywhere but the default placement no matter what I set the pan knob to. A bug I'm sure that will get worked out. Still no "sync to host" yet either. Sigh.
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