Keni
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Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
Yeah the subject line says it all.
Looking to browse or search feature requests continues to feel awkward/clumsy and is taken no the fun out of it for me.
...just sayin'
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/26 21:44:06
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Hehe, I don't like it either. I don't know why, because it seems a lot more functional and better geared towards features and questions. And yet I find it harder to navigate and read.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/26 22:40:33
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This separate forum is NOT a good idea. Lots of ideas and feedback lost to the company. Yet, this may be by intent. Sorta like MS and Google,... they are not interested in the real user experience. That is why they all mark posts by moderators as answers when such are no where near an actual solution.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/26 23:06:09
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/01/27 11:21:37
I fnd it hard to navigate. Or I simply don't understand how to work with it.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 02:37:42
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 02:40:40
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not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic  but . . . http://bakery.cakewalk.com/ plus there is a little cupcake icon at the top right of the sonar start screen
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 05:14:43
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/01/27 11:21:45
I haven't even visited the site in weeks. I kinda gave up on it I guess.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 05:49:14
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Keni Yeah the subject line says it all.
yeah, not sure any fun was advertised? typical half-baked delivery imo, ymmv
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 05:55:00
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another thought - is the bakery what was being marketed as the new "feedback portal"? at least then maybe there might be more regular input from the bakers, although i'm fairly sure actual cakewalk input wasn't particularly guaranteed one place where you will get an actual cake person (seth usually, thanks seth) to respond is the steam forums, though i suspect that that's due to the steam contract with the devs?
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:00:23
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☄ Helpfulby marled 2017/01/27 11:34:28
Is anyone even using it? I keep an eye on the "Latest Posts" list and it rarely changes. Last posts were from a couple of weeks ago and no one even answered the questions.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:13:11
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/01/27 13:38:12
Dave76 Is anyone even using it? ... Last posts were from a couple of weeks ago
All three areas have activity in the last 24 hours. It depends on what you mean by Dave76 no one even answered the questions.
It is up to the questioner to mark their question answered. Many of the questions have replies. Of course, you could try answering a few yourself.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:15:23
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Haven't been there in a while. To be honest I totally forgot about it. I'm used to coming here to participate and don't think about going somewhere else. So even if it's a good format, it's probably going to get less input, at least from me. While we're at it. Collecting data from users was a big debate a while back. But they eventually put it in with the option to turn it off if you were concerned. Then I recently saw a post from Anderton that said it only collected very basic info and really didn't help all that much. Geez, if you're going to collect data to try to make the app better, please collect something useful!! gabo
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:20:20
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gbowling Then I recently saw a post from Anderton that said it only collected very basic info and really didn't help all that much.
I understand the data is pretty basic but I do not recall Craig's assessment, would you have a link to that post?
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:28:48
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scook
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:36:49
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I see. The part you quoted comes from http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3539705While it does confirm the basic nature of the data collected, Craig did not write it gbowling really didn't help all that much.
I was pretty sure he has never posted a negative assessment of the analytics data. Thanks for the reference. Sorry to derail the Bakery thread.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:37:51
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Visiting the bakery I got the impression that seems to be a place thought as a more technical and reticant -question -answer based place compared to this forum and community. No fun means also not that much emotions wanted I guess. Understand it more dedicated to the technical speech and software developers .
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scook
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 09:52:52
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jm24 That is why they all mark posts by moderators as answers when such are no where near an actual solution.
By they you must be the questioners. AFAIK, the questioners are the only ones (other than Cakewalk employees) that can mark questions as answered. It does appear that some questioners may have marked an arbitrary reply as an answer not much different than on this forum.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:13:57
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scook
Dave76 Is anyone even using it? ... Last posts were from a couple of weeks ago
All three areas have activity in the last 24 hours. It depends on what you mean by
Dave76 no one even answered the questions.
It is up to the questioner to mark their question answered. Many of the questions have replies. Of course, you could try answering a few yourself.
so users are expected to answer? so there's no difference (in that sense) than this forum? boo!
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:18:00
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Why would Cakewalk create and publish a point system if there was an expectation their employees would be answering the questions?
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:39:25
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Every time I've opened it I see basic questions that are normally posted here and Steve, you seem to be all by your self answering them. Very few posts answered by other forum members. And all the posts seem to be very short and to the point. I've used the MS community forum a few times, I rarely get real answers, just links to the knowledge base which are always not even close. I asked a question once and a MS person asked for more details even though there were none to give, I had explained my issue very clearly, my screen would go blank after 1 minute , all power settings were set to Never. I got my answer from a computer forum ( NCIX) it was a screen saver setting I missed, easy, so I returned and posted I had solved my issue. The MS person ( machine?) posted again asking for more detail, I said I had solve the issue and told them what it was. I keep getting E mails asking me to return and answer. Stupid forum.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:42:09
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scook Why would Cakewalk create and publish a point system if there was an expectation their employees would be answering the questions?
dunno, why do they do anything, it's never explained :-P
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:43:23
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so can we assume this is not the advertised "feedback portal" but just some extra forum space? because "feedback" implies cakewalk are involved
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:52:48
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Cactus Music Every time I've opened it I see basic questions that are normally posted here and Steve, you seem to be all by your self answering them. Very few posts answered by other forum members. And all the posts seem to be very short and to the point.
Often the questions are very basic. There was a time I felt like I was the only one answering but that has not been the case recently. Still the pool of users answering questions is small. It would be nice to see that pool grow. I believe the answers should be fact-based and as short as possible. I try to point to the appropriate help page when possible so that the questioner and subsequent readers may find more detailed information. That said development on the Bakery has been slow. I suspect in part due to the holiday schedule and other demands on the developer(s). I still maintain these types of discussions should be made on the Bakery as difficult and unpleasant as it may be.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:57:06
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As it sits, I feel the bakery is better suited for just collecting ideas for improvement. You can easily see what features users are interested in and how many others agree or disagree with them. The fact that Cakewalk may not pay any attention to those ideas is another issue. Beyond that, I find the bakery pretty much useless. Following threads in that area is unpleasant for me and difficult, but that may just be me and my thought process. New ideas are not bad but they have to be reviewed. IF it turns out that the idea wasn't great you can't be afraid to cut it loose and try something else. Unfortunately those that create the new idea see it's failure as a personal failure and refuse to admit it wasn't successful.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 10:59:15
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pwalpwal "feedback" implies cakewalk are involved
That is your interpretation. There are others.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 11:41:05
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scook I see. The part you quoted comes from http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3539705 While it does confirm the basic nature of the data collected, Craig did not write it
gbowling really didn't help all that much.
I was pretty sure he has never posted a negative assessment of the analytics data. Thanks for the reference. Sorry to derail the Bakery thread.
Yes, sorry to put words in Craig's mouth. I'll go on record as saying, if you're going to collect data (and I have it turned on in my Sonar) then I would be all for it providing as much useful data as possible. To me it's not a negative, it's a positive! To me the bakery and the collection of data are all related. They provide a way for the bakers to get information about what works, doesn't work, and to understand a useful direction. The more effective that is, the better the product. gabo
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 12:03:44
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scook
pwalpwal "feedback" implies cakewalk are involved
That is your interpretation. There are others.
sure that's my interpretation - what are any other interpretations? who else would we be feeding back to other than cakewalk?
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 12:05:54
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My impression is that the Bakery is somehow a benefit to Cakewalk and not the users. No real reason to make another site and close the existing one here. I suspect that Cakewalk is trying to see if they can save money by creating a forum. When i visit the Bakery and see that orange on white color scheme i just want to leave. I still question just why it exists.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 13:45:10
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☄ Helpfulby scook 2017/01/27 14:16:23
pwalpwal sure that's my interpretation - what are any other interpretations? who else would we be feeding back to other than cakewalk?
To me feedback is information provided to the company from the end-user. Such as the Ideas section.
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Re: Still not having fun using "The Bakery" "Forum"
2017/01/27 14:26:18
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scottfa ... When i visit the Bakery and see that orange on white color scheme i just want to leave. I still question just why it exists.
I find it hard to look at. I'm kind of tired of the trend of colour-schemes that lose the basic ability to read at length. Light gray on gray, orange on white, etc. This forum here is much easier imho
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