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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/26 20:52:28
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Melodyne and Vocal synch here as well, all I need to do what im doing.
with that being said, I've blocked this user. reply's are a little harsh for me.
Good luck.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/26 20:55:07
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Personally, I don't have any need for either one so for those rare occasions when I do need alignment, like others I do quite alright with Melodyne + VocalSync.
Bingo. My Volkswagen isn't a "piece of crap" because it's not a Testarossa. But - if I ever need to take curves on the Amalfi drive at 120 MPH, I'll look into the Testarossa. If VocalSync didn't do what I needed, I would seek a more powerful tool because I need to hit deadlines. But I know how to sing, how to overdub, and how to get the most out of VocalSync; it does what I want 95% of the time. The other 5% I break the vocal into smaller clips or worst case, do manual stretching. Assuming VocALign would actually take care of that other 5%, at least to me VocALign PRO is not worth 2.5+ times the cost of what yearly memberships used to cost. Maybe I'd feel differently if I did dialog replacement 8 hours a day for the next Stars Wars. Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if Cakewalk was already aware of what would be needed to incorporate VocALign PRO (and what is it with these companies? Can't they afford to replace their keyboards with one where the caps lock works properly?  ). Obviously it was a higher priority for Studio One because they don't have anything like VocalSync.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/26 21:45:43
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What is not clear to me is will those plugins work or not with Sonar. According to the Synchro Arts web site Sonar is compatible. So again what is the problem?
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/26 22:43:29
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Similarly, Melodyne works with programs that don't have ARA. It just works more efficiently with the two that do.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 00:36:43
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John
What is not clear to me is will those plugins work or not with Sonar. According to the Synchro Arts web site Sonar is compatible. So again what is the problem?
It looks like they explain using it as a normal VST plugin; they don't say it's compatible with Sonar's ARA.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 01:13:06
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If it were available as a Region FX, there would be a menu option in the Region FX menu. At least that is how every other plug-in using ARA has been added to SONAR. Adding a product like this to SONAR would likely result in a press release and a listing in http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Rolling-Updates#start. It would seem there is no immediate plan to integrate VocaLign as a Region FX in SONAR.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 01:36:29
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Unless I have missed something they are talking about X3.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 03:19:50
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VocalSync is okay but no where near as powerful/accurate as VocAlign in my experience. Which is somewhat understandable as Synchro Arts has been specializing in that area for quite some time. Plus the weird quirks with VocalSync have almost made me abandon it completely at this point. I have actually been contemplating purchasing VocAlign as I do a lot of R&B/Pop work that often times has extensive harmonies and vocal stacks and it would be a huge time saver for me. I've been trying to hold out to see if Sonar updates and/or fixes the quirks in VocalSync. I'm starting to think it's not gonna happen any time soon and may go ahead and take the plunge.
I really don't see anything wrong with the initial question. Honestly, I saw Studio One's integration a couple of days ago and was actually wondering the same thing.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 06:17:46
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I really don't see anything wrong with the initial question. Honestly, I saw Studio One's integration a couple of days ago and was actually wondering the same thing.
In fact, and that was the purpose of the post.Then comes the same hilarious fanboys,and all became absurdly weird and OT! Im here from 2003, never disrespect nobody, but things are changed badly on that forum!
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 06:53:21
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Base 57 And I would bet a lifetime subscription that SONAR will never integrate Revoice as long as it requires ILok.
cough *softube* cough
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 09:59:15
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/09/27 11:36:22
KWILD
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I really don't see anything wrong with the initial question. Honestly, I saw Studio One's integration a couple of days ago and was actually wondering the same thing.
In fact, and that was the purpose of the post.Then comes the same hilarious fanboys,and all became absurdly weird and OT!
Im here from 2003, never disrespect nobody, but things are changed badly on that forum!
There was nothing wrong with the original post. There was also nothing wrong with someone trying to be helpful and make you aware that VocalSync is integrated with ARA, yet you ridiculed that response and then turned the thread in a negative direction by going OT and calling VocalSync "a piece of crap," so of course those who use VocalSync frequently and successfully felt the need to correct you. It's ironic that you would complain about taking the thread in a weird and OT direction after taking the thread in a weird and OT direction. You could have simply said you found VocALign more capable and better-suited to your needs, and explained why so that those who might be interested in it could benefit from your (presumed) experience with it. Telling people not to post here if they don't want sarcastic comments didn't help. It indicated you had no interest in a dialog, and your responses have borne that out.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 10:56:59
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/09/27 11:36:21
KWILD
Im here from 2003, never disrespect nobody, but things are changed badly on that forum!
This is true. You have been here since 2003, and you changed things badly by starting to disrespect somebody on this forum.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 10:57:19
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There was nothing wrong with the original post. There was also nothing wrong with someone trying to be helpful and make you aware that VocalSync is integrated with ARA, yet you ridiculed that response and then turned the thread in a negative direction by going OT and calling VocalSync "a piece of crap," so of course those who use VocalSync frequently and successfully felt the need to correct you.
If the OP strolled into any of my various work areas (music or other) and told me my tools were crap - he would not be talking to a fanboy - he might wish he was talking to a fanboy. I think he's trolling, looking for a rise. He got a couple of pages. Yahoo for him. The irony is his soundcloud page is focused on instrumentals. I don't know, that seems funny after all this noise about someone's vocal focused software. @OP - It's just software, go and be happy with it. Make many vocal alignments all day, climb a tree, run real fast. I'm happy for you.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 11:15:22
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Great sleuthing. I refuse to fact check.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 11:16:42
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Hey, my middle name is OT.
(or is it?)
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 11:23:32
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Well...i called VocalSync "a piece of crap" COMPARED to Vocalign coz it's what it is, COMPARED (repeat) COMPARED to Vocalign/ReVoice.Vocalsync it's a great tool but needs improvements, the Syncroarts products are light-years away!
When i've read that they support ARA i've posted the news hoping for a reply of a future development for Sonar too, i don't wanna hurt all the fanboys in the forum...English it's not my mother tongue,sometimes it's difficult to explain exactly what i wanna say...well i must post soon after the first reply with less sarcasm,i know,sorry,but after that...it's just fanboysm and sincerely,i got other more interesting stuff to do than arguing with them.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 12:13:53
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/09/27 14:03:07
Next time, try saying something fact-based like "has fewer features" or "doesn't work as well with longer clips" or "doesn't need rendering to get a good preview" or whatever you feel the limitations are...anything that would help others in understanding your point of view, and from which they might learn something. The only thing anyone has learned from your posts is that you have an opinion for which you give no justification. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, but then complaining that others are also giving their opinions seems disingenuous. If you had presented facts, the discussion could have been fact-based.
In any event asking questions about what's under development is pretty much pointless. When Cakewalk is ready to tell what they're working on, it will be listed in the Rolling Updates page. Your post would have had a much better reception if you had said you hoped Cakewalk was working on ARA integration for VocaALign, because [whatever your reason is for thinking VocALign is wonderful]. Then there could have been a useful dialog about ARA, the strengths and weaknesses of various approaches to vocal syncing, etc. That way people could decide "Doesn't sound like VocALign doesn't do anything I can't already do with VocalSync" or "Wow, I could sure use [that particular feature he mentioned], I'll have to check it out." You would have contributed something valid, based on your (presumed) expertise.
You can't complain about others being "fanboys" when you're being a "fanboy" of VocALign. It's not their fault that VocalSync works for them. Opinions are most valid when the facts that form those particular opinions are part of a discussion.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 12:26:28
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i think maybe if instead of using the term "fanboy" we could maybe say some forum users are "over-sensitive to any criticism of sonar" maybe? if this were real-world meat-space stuff no-one would give unrealistic criticisms the time of day, but on a forum it's all just text... i don't think kwild is trolling, just not jumping through certain forum hoops
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 12:38:40
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There is a high chance that Vocalign will work in SONAR since we support the full ARA specification. I have heard that they are testing it in SONAR.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 12:43:54
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pwalpwal
i think maybe if instead of using the term "fanboy" we could maybe say some forum users are "over-sensitive to any criticism of sonar" maybe? if this were real-world meat-space stuff no-one would give unrealistic criticisms the time of day, but on a forum it's all just text... i don't think kwild is trolling, just not jumping through certain forum hoops
Sometimes this PC (not referring to personal computers) stuff gets old. A poster calls a great feature of SONAR's a "piece of crap". Everybody else who jumps in to offer their experience with that tool is branded a "fanboy". The pattern repeats itself over and over on these forums - SONAR users are expected to grin and bear it as their DAW of choice is slogged. The idea that people who use and like SONAR have to be overtly sensitive to others who come to the forum and behave like jackasses (,oh, no did he say..... that?????) is ridiculous. This is not KVR.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 13:00:36
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This whole thread could have been a good one if the OP had not made certain assumptions about Sonar in the first post. An assertion was made without doing any research on the subject. Apparently the OP assumed that Sonar doesn't support ARA when it does.
Then slams an alternative without understanding what that alternative is and that it is free to Sonar Platinum users.
Again no answer to whether he has bothered to test vocalign in Sonar. Without doing that this whole thread is pointless.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 13:52:53
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pwalpwal
i think maybe if instead of using the term "fanboy" we could maybe say some forum users are "over-sensitive to any criticism of sonar" maybe? if this were real-world meat-space stuff no-one would give unrealistic criticisms the time of day, but on a forum it's all just text... i don't think kwild is trolling, just not jumping through certain forum hoops
I don't think he's a troll either. But I don't believe people are over-sensitive to any criticism of SONAR; what they seem to object to is a lack of civility when expressing same.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 14:50:18
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Im not trolling but the temptation it's really high!!
And,yes i wanna say it all...im Bin Laden...and im alive!
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 15:00:51
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KWILD
Im not trolling but the temptation it's really high!!
And,yes i wanna say it all...im Bin Laden...and im alive!
I hope you are joking and trying to be funny. It isn't funny just so you know. Again why haven't you reported what your findings are using Vocalign in Sonar?
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 15:13:31
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☄ Helpfulby John 2016/09/27 17:00:50
What's wrong with being a fanboy? I am a really big fan of tools that get my work done. I am a fan of meeting deadlines and keeping clients happy. I really like SONAR and the tools it offers. I guess that makes me a fanboy. I am also a fan of my wife and family. Double-fanboy!
And KWILD, you are a fan of Vocalign! I guess you are a fanboy too. Somehow people get the idea of liking something, using it to get things done is a negative thing. I think it is really positive to be familiar with a toolset, use it effectively, and help others understand it when the need arises. I see nothing wrong with that. Fanboy in those terms should not be viewed as a negative thing.
When it all boils down, EVERYONE is a fanboy of something, right KWILD? Nothing wrong with that. But it is a sign of maturity when a fanboy does not feel the need to degrade another because he/she is a fanboy of something different.
Use what you like and get on with it! If you want to learn about new tools, have some common courtesy and a genuine open mind and you will find respect is given.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 16:40:33
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Charles your post is outstanding!
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 21:52:49
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Thank you John. I don't post a whole lot, but I read these forums every day in between breaks. These forums have been so helpful to me over the years.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 23:14:16
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I have use Vocalsync successfully on a least 2 tracks. Glad I don't have to pay extra for it. It was quick and easy. In my books Cakewalk had score some major points with Vocalsync. Oh my. Fanboy detected.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
2016/09/27 23:47:04
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KWILD
Sanderxpander
A little civility goes a long way, true, but I'm pretty shocked at the people on here who (seem to?) pretend that CW VocalSync is anywhere near as powerful or well working as VocAlign. Surely not even the CW developers would presume that much, no disrespect to the products they make.
To me personally sometimes it feels like there's a little too much "fanboyism" on here. I love my Sonar but there are clearly additional products available that are higher quality than what's included. It's a fair question if the ARA implementation that StudioOne has realized with this product is available in Sonar, regardless of what (ARA or no ARA) products are included in Sonar. The argument "why do you need VocAlign, we already have VocalSync" sounds very similar to the argument two years ago "why do you need Melodyne when we already have V-Vocal".
Finally someone that found that the real problem here is fanboysm (that's the cause of being "harsh").
Im here since 2003 and i use Cakewalk products from 1996, and im really satisfied with the last 2 years improvements of Sonar (i was
leaving it in favour of Cubase just some years ago).
Sadly, in the last years that place is plagued,more and more by absurd and sometimes demential fanboysm.
So i'd reserve to being harsh every time i get some of that guys on my posts.
Peace & LOL!
You may reserve the right to be as harsh as you like but you may get banned. We all have rules to follow and attacking another is a violation of those rules. So stop with the name calling. It adds nothing to your posts.
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Re: Studio One and VocaLign ARA integration...
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/09/28 16:28:16
KWILD
Im not trolling but the temptation it's really high!!
And,yes i wanna say it all...im Bin Laden...and im alive!
Don't worry guys, he's Gregory Bin Laden, not Osama.
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