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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 18:15:34 (permalink)
I think they sound nice. I've used them all on one thing or another.
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 18:20:06 (permalink)
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They need a woodgrain skin to make 'em sound warmer.



Could be an interesting extension. Might get pulled though...

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/02 02:38:52 (permalink)
i don't like "one size fits all" typo of things ... it needs a few knobs to make it work for me - that's why I also prefer "Tube Saturation PC module" over Softube Saturation ... Softube may fit or may not, so it basically only works in binary on/off mode, Tube Saturation you can blend much better

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/02 18:20:56 (permalink)
These are the "MixStrip" (read Pro Channel Junior) tools that are provided with Music Creator 7.  They actually do use FX that ship with Platinum, but without all of the controls (attack, decay, wet, dry, etc.) to keep from confusing people who are new to recording in-the-box.   I use Platinum most of the time, but I do have MC7 on a travel laptop.  I found that the MixStrip tools were great for a first pass at a project. 
 
I am glad that Cakewalk decided to push these in Platinum releases as I do find them really convenient to rough things in early on in mixing.
 
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/02 19:15:44 (permalink)
You're writing a song. You want a quick effect but don't want to interrupt your creative flow. So you grab a Style Dial and keep on writing.
 
You're mixing a song. You want a really great effect and have the time to mess with it. So you replace the Style Dial with a carefully crafted effect.
 
The VoxTools effects chain was quite popular (if you believe that forum comments are a statistically valid sample), and that was just one-knob effects. Sometimes you replaced them later on, but sometimes you didn't need to, or in the case of FX that were a little off the wall, you left them in.
 
To each his own...different tools for different jobs.

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/02 19:32:41 (permalink)
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You're writing a song. You want a quick effect but don't want to interrupt your creative flow. So you grab a Style Dial and keep on writing.
 
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Hmm maybe style dials should be included with presets to speed up workflow :)

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/02 20:58:03 (permalink)
I agree with you, Craig.
 
When I'm writing (or "creating" or improvising, depending), I want as few interruptions to my maybe fleeting inspiration as possible. My time these days is severely limited and I welcome each real creative moment with joy.
 
I, conversely, resent every needless waste of that time on fiddling and workarounds and complications more and more fiercely. Just give me something that works ok right now.
 
I would love to be able to have my instrument available and ready to record as close to instantly as possible. The simpler the process, the better.
 
Then, I'd like to just throw on the general effect I will later probably refine.
 
On to the next instrument or voice I think may help the idea along.
 
I am after getting an idea recorded. What I do with it next, who knows?
 
At least I'll have the idea to refer to. If I'd spent half an hour of my available hour fooling with complicated effects, maybe I wouldn't have the couple of tracks and the kernel of a decent song.
 
If I hadn't had any effect available to throw on there, though, to give some atmosphere to the first track, maybe the next idea wouldn't have come up so fluidly.
 
So, hurray for quick effects.
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 04:25:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/11/03 08:16:09
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Hmm maybe style dials should be included with presets to speed up workflow :)

Presets for just a single knob? You must be kidding!
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 05:56:49 (permalink)
Well I think I might have been ;) The conclusion I hope people might have read into is that you can get a sound up pretty quickly without having to use one knob.
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 08:11:58 (permalink)
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...you can get a sound up pretty quickly without having to use one knob.



Uhm... you mean by using a preset? LOL

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 08:24:11 (permalink)
Right!


In the case of style dials though you could have presets..

1. Can't be arsed.
2) Fairly lazy
3) Knob a bit too far for me to move
4) Marathon knob turner
5) Going to 11!

Think how much effort and fatigue this would save, just turning one knob could be a heck of an effort for many ;)
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/03 14:12:51

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 08:29:52 (permalink)
Even Waves make style dials, with their one button plugs by CLA etc. If it works, use it!

But Cakewalk, can we have one that says Cappuccino, Latte, Macchiato please? :O)  

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 09:48:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/11/03 11:21:45
If you like Style Knobs, please don't let the Knob Snobs shame you with their Knobbery Snobbery. 😎
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 12:33:02 (permalink)
I would like this one. It's a style-dial-preset-dial called MOJO...and that's exactly what it does.
Gives your mix more of it. I heard from reliable source that it's in the making
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ithgo38nnfa1z75/MojoDial.jpg?dl=0
Dr.A. has already given away part of the surprise for presets 1 'o clock till 5 'o clock.
I think we should keep the remaining presets a surprise.
 
 
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(just to clarify before someone get's upset. Just havin' a bit of fun here.
 I don't mind the style-dials myself, except for the SIZE of them in the prochannel.)
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 12:50:15 (permalink)
I like the idea of a style knob, because it sort of echoes how Waves introduced the one-knob idea in their own line of plug-ins. My only beef is they are buried in the ProChannel, which is also buried in my experience. If they could be added to the standard channel strip like Sends and FX's, they'd be a win for me. 

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 13:42:41 (permalink)
Waves has a set of one knobbers, called the waves one knob series.  So simple has a place, and as a feature it is not galaxies outside the box anyway http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OKSeriesBun
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 16:59:06 (permalink)
where are you finding these "style dials"?
what fx are they called?

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 17:01:05 (permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXG5IFc_QPU
 
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 17:03:43 (permalink)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXG5IFc_QPU
 
Grit, Space and Style
 


thanks!!!!
 
I really dont use pro channel so I missed those.

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 17:27:04 (permalink)
I have used the grit dial on a rhythm guitar track on a blues song I'm working on and it roughed it up just enough and I have used the space dial at the end of a song that had a dead stop ending in which I automated the dial increasing the amount in the last two bars giving the ending a nice pop of reverb.  Both times the style knobs worked well, quick and easy.  For a fast effect plug one in and go.  I like the idea of putting the Grit knob on a sax part. It's good to have them available thanks !
 
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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/03 19:41:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/11/04 05:17:13
FWIW I have a personal collection of about 40 one-knob processors I used for songwriting, but these are more complex than just turning a knob to change a parameter. For example with the compressor, turning up the knob lowers the threshold, increases the ratio, makes the knee harder, and adjusts the output to compensate for the changes. So somewhere along that continuum, I can usually find the setting I want in a couple seconds. 

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/04 07:12:28 (permalink)
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FWIW I have a personal collection of about 40 one-knob processors I used for songwriting, but these are more complex than just turning a knob to change a parameter. For example with the compressor, turning up the knob lowers the threshold, increases the ratio, makes the knee harder, and adjusts the output to compensate for the changes. So somewhere along that continuum, I can usually find the setting I want in a couple seconds. 


So what do you think is easier to manage? Having 40 one knob plugins? Or having one plugin with 40 knobs and presets to select?

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/04 07:36:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2015/11/04 08:49:28
It's a pressing question for sure. Because ever since the style dials have been introduced, it's been illegal to use anything else. If you fire up any other plug ins, a SWAT team comes bursting through the door, and you're straight off to Guantanamo.

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Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/11/04 10:42:45 (permalink)
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FWIW I have a personal collection of about 40 one-knob processors I used for songwriting, but these are more complex than just turning a knob to change a parameter. For example with the compressor, turning up the knob lowers the threshold, increases the ratio, makes the knee harder, and adjusts the output to compensate for the changes. So somewhere along that continuum, I can usually find the setting I want in a couple seconds. 


So what do you think is easier to manage? Having 40 one knob plugins? Or having one plugin with 40 knobs and presets to select?



When speed is of the essence, definitely 40 of my one-knob plug-ins. They all show up in their own folder in the browser. Drag in, turn knob, done. In the example of the compressor, there's essentially a new preset every 10 degrees or so of knob rotation. Imagine being able to scroll through presets and have them load instantly as soon as they appear instead of selecting, deciding, clicking something else, tweaking a control if it's not quite there, etc. Even better, unlike regular preset selection the "presets" morph seamlessly from one "preset" to another, so you can get "in between the presets" without having to do any programming.
 
Same with my ADT one-knob control. You can think of it as a continuum of instantly-loaded presets. I also have a vocal reverb that's again, basically a collection of presets you sweep through with a single knob...very convenient.
 
The only reason I have 40 of them is because I did a couple and found them so useful I did more. However, many of them are more prosaic and are just for convenience...for example I have a humbucker-to-single-coil converter effect. That could just as easily be a preset with an EQ, however, the one knob rotates through "more of a single coil sound" to "less of a single coil sound" and again, it's controlling multiple parameters simultaneously which would require a considerable amount of tweaking to a standard preset.
 
I have to admit that sometimes I don't replace the single-knob effect with something more sophisticated because it already has the sound I want. Maybe I could obsess over finding something "better," but it's like the story I tell of the VI with 600 kick drums...if you hit kick #23 and it sounds good, you don't really have to keep going through the other 577 kicks to see if you can find something  better.

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