skylightron
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Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW
Start monthly subscription fees on Sonar and lock the program after a certain period of time if the user does not subscribe in order to fully continue to use the software. Start this with X2... a monthly fee of $9.99 for Studio, $14.99 for Producer, $19.99 for Suite. And in order for this to take effect, charge a one time base fee of $49.99 for that corresponding version. If the customer refuses to pay a subscription... Every half hour there would be a Pop-Up screen that pops up and notifies them that they need to Subscribe to fully use all of the features while locking the program for 20 minutes. Another window would appear, advertising Cakewalk store products - somewhat similar to the add during the most recent Webinar. Update: New details of this exciting Service is now posted.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 19:42:38
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someone got the latest addition of computer music ? lol perhaps mention that Noel gets a mention on a better / positive note :)
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 22:26:05
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That's the worst idea I've ever heard. What problem are you trying to fix?
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 22:30:08
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No way, that is not going to work!!! Peace
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 22:33:07
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did that come from a "how to lose all your customers in 100 days" seminar?
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 23:09:14
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skylightron Start monthly subscription fees on Sonar and lock the program after a certain period of time if the user does not subscribe in order to fully continue to use the software. Start this with X2... a monthly fee of $9.99 for Studio, $14.99 for Producer, $19.99 for Suite. And in order for this to take effect, charge a one time base fee of $49.99 for that corresponding version. If the customer refuses to pay a subscription... Every half hour there would be a Pop-Up screen that pops up and notifies them that they need to Subscribe to fully use all of the features while locking the program for 20 minutes. Another window would appear, advertising Cakewalk store products - somewhat similar to the add during the most recent Webinar. We'd like a dongle too.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 23:16:23
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/14 23:31:05
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Kev999 skylightron Start monthly subscription fees on Sonar and lock the program after a certain period of time if the user does not subscribe in order to fully continue to use the software. Start this with X2... a monthly fee of $9.99 for Studio, $14.99 for Producer, $19.99 for Suite. And in order for this to take effect, charge a one time base fee of $49.99 for that corresponding version. If the customer refuses to pay a subscription... Every half hour there would be a Pop-Up screen that pops up and notifies them that they need to Subscribe to fully use all of the features while locking the program for 20 minutes. Another window would appear, advertising Cakewalk store products - somewhat similar to the add during the most recent Webinar. We'd like a dongle too. The dongle also needs another dongle....
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 00:21:19
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This idea[?] can't be serious? It's like some idea a nasty person in government,would think up,maybe.......or was that on TV recently?Anyway horrid idea,my exports are close,but not too,I hope?[especially the SILENCE at the end of one!] http://soundcloud.com/rks26 LOL Bob
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 01:46:03
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i am concerned about you sir.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 01:57:11
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vintagevibe Horrible idea. +1
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 02:45:17
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LOL. Like Beepster said, I like pushing your guys buttons. If I became Cakewalks new CEO, I would try to make as much money off of my customers as possible. Why? To stay in business. I would most likely lose a lot of customers but I would gain lots of customers who wouldn't mind subscribing to this very idea. But as a current customer who only wants the very best deals... It wouldn't work for me either but there has to be someone who always love to pay full price and never a sale, discounted or clearance price to embrace this very idea. Some folks are always defending Cakewalks regular prices, so why not get them onto a Subscription? And of course, with that Nag Screen.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 02:52:57
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How about car companies adopting that idea? Subscribe or the car shuts down every half-hour for twenty minutes. And your toaster. And your dog. And maybe every plugin you install as well as every program you own. Hell, let's just microchip our brains and connect to the Matrix and be done with it.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 02:58:38
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skylightron LOL. Like Beepster said, I like pushing your guys buttons. If I became Cakewalks new CEO, I would try to make as much money off of my customers as possible. Why? To stay in business. I would most likely lose a lot of customers but I would gain lots of customers who wouldn't mind subscribing to this very idea. But as a current customer who only wants the very best deals... It wouldn't work for me either but there has to be someone who always love to pay full price and never a sale, discounted or clearance price to embrace this very idea. Some folks are always defending Cakewalks regular prices, so why not get them onto a Subscription? And of course, with that Nag Screen. With ideas like that, you should go work for Avid. They're certainly gauging for their profits and look where that's getting them. They're having to downsize, letting go of A.I.R. , M-Audio, Sibelius and Pinnacle. Greed doesn't help a company grow, it drives it into the ground.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 04:04:46
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chuckebaby i am concerned about you sir. Please elaborate,with all concerns,misgivings,dislikings,etc etc. I'm too old to be upset[some of the road stories I could,but will NEVER reveal]and have been to many places people fear[greatly] so go for it,it could be entertaining for others? Bob
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 04:11:37
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skylightron Start monthly subscription fees on Sonar and lock the program after a certain period of time if the user does not subscribe in order to fully continue to use the software. Start this with X2... a monthly fee of $9.99 for Studio, $14.99 for Producer, $19.99 for Suite. And in order for this to take effect, charge a one time base fee of $49.99 for that corresponding version. If the customer refuses to pay a subscription... Every half hour there would be a Pop-Up screen that pops up and notifies them that they need to Subscribe to fully use all of the features while locking the program for 20 minutes. Another window would appear, advertising Cakewalk store products - somewhat similar to the add during the most recent Webinar. I'm sorry, you must have posted in the wrong forum. This is the Sonar USERS forum, and it's obvious you don't use Sonar because if you did this thread wouldn't exist.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 05:46:41
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skylightron LOL. Like Beepster said, I like pushing your guys buttons. If I became Cakewalks new CEO, I would try to make as much money off of my customers as possible. Why? To stay in business. I would most likely lose a lot of customers but I would gain lots of customers who wouldn't mind subscribing to this very idea. But as a current customer who only wants the very best deals... It wouldn't work for me either but there has to be someone who always love to pay full price and never a sale, discounted or clearance price to embrace this very idea. Some folks are always defending Cakewalks regular prices, so why not get them onto a Subscription? And of course, with that Nag Screen. No. The only goal of a CEO is to make sure the company remains in business and turning a profit in the long term. You don't achieve this by alienating your existing customer base
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 05:58:39
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This thread should be removed. It could give CW ideas I wouldn't want them to have!!!!!
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 06:14:52
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The pricing scheme suggested is prohibitively expensive. I definatley expect subscription services to arrive as cloud becomes commonplace. But $200 a year? OhmStudio has just sent out emails regarding pricing of their OhmStudio DAW... A DAW that runs on their servers. Pre-order a lifetime subscription, for 149 euro. This morning, that is $182.xxxx Lifetime Subscription < $200 To be very honest... Music software will get very expensive in the cloud, with these recurring charges... I'm in no rush. I don't see how I would keep everything I had, if I was paying ever month $10 for this one, $15 for that one, $20 for this, $8 for that... etc, etc, etc...
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 06:58:47
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You obviously don't live in a non-USD country. Move to South Africa and the suggest this again.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 07:11:46
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LJB You obviously don't live in a non-USD country. Move to South Africa and the suggest this again. Hold your horses. I shall be down in South Africa just as soon as I win Powerball. There's a house on the Cape I'm looking at. If you feel so inclined we can argue about it then. I should be winning powerball this month, or next month. I've already put a request in, with the Darth Vader, and the Borg Queen.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 07:57:50
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skylightron LOL. Like Beepster said, I like pushing your guys buttons. If I became Cakewalks new CEO, I would try to make as much money off of my customers as possible. Why? To stay in business. I would most likely lose a lot of customers but I would gain lots of customers who wouldn't mind subscribing to this very idea. But as a current customer who only wants the very best deals... It wouldn't work for me either but there has to be someone who always love to pay full price and never a sale, discounted or clearance price to embrace this very idea. Some folks are always defending Cakewalks regular prices, so why not get them onto a Subscription? And of course, with that Nag Screen. I would be delighted to be enlightened by your resume that identifies the business, marketing and finance background to qualify that statement... Enron?.. Madoff?..Palm perhaps?... Do you run a company now?.. ever?.. marketing experience?.. international?.. do you actually think a CEO is able to do this without board approval?.. Look, While there is no restriction on the origination of a good idea, only the foolish pursue a bad idea in the face of overwhelming opposition.. and thats what this is. This is an all time bad idea. period. the numbers wont work, the concept is divisive, and the plan is a fail..
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 08:48:13
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Many years ago, prior to the consolidation of the many Boston-area banks down to a measly 2 or 3 very big ones…. my wife wanted to move her checking account from a small, local bank to one of the larger local banks… might have been BayBank, can't remember. The customer rep explained to her that regardless of the monthly balance there is a $15 or whatever monthly fee to keep the account open, no waivers, no exceptions. A bit flabbergasted, she asked for the rep's manager to whom she posed the question: "why do I have to pay you to keep my money here?". The manager told her with a straight face: "account fees is how we make money". Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! Bank fees is how they make money!!!! Get it?!?!? They don't have to operate like, you know, an actual bank, where, you know, you take money in and use that incoming money to make more money… just tax the customer!!!! Luckily, she walked across the street to BankBoston and opened an account there. Sidenote: BayBank was aquired by BankBoston a few years later, which was then acquired by Bank of America a few years after that. And now you know why "a few big banks" is not really such a great idea… But back to the topic at hand… software... you make money by doing what you do best: products and services. Better products + better services = more customers = more revenue. There are very very few types of software that benefit from a subscription model: 1.) software license rental (e.g., samplitude/sequioa and some others), 2.) stuff like virus protection where there are heavy operational costs but no real incentive for the customer to upgrade or buy new services once the base product is installed. Truthfully, if a company tells me I need to subscribe to use their software, I see that as a sign of weakness and possibly even desperation. Not a company I want to "invest in" as a consumer. Kinda like a bank that doesn't know how to make money with other peoples' money, so they just charge a bunch of fees (a.k.a., taxes) and call that "revenue".
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 08:55:09
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John This thread should be removed. It could give CW ideas I wouldn't want them to have!!!!! It is for that very reason that I removed my mind several years ago. It kept coming up with ideas I didn't want to have. I run two Sonar stations that are not on the network. Any timebomb registrations or periodic required updates would be less than convenient. Since technology is like beer, you only rent it anyway ... most users will maintain their software license if the updates contain legitimate value and are priced appropriately. I've learned to live with my three dongles - I can't say that I love 'em or hate 'em - I only like the new blue glow. I don't think that dongle copy protection is necessary - obviously so does Waves since V9. There is still money to be made in the DAW business - integrating production tools with lifestyle products may be a clue to the new direction. The iPad / iPhone integration is more justification than practical but certainly keeps the kids happy. -D
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 09:01:07
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... eliminate recording to HD. Can record only to subscription-based cloud storage. Company reserves all rights to recordings made with the software. Lite version of Sonar is free, but prochannel is replaced by amachannel that displays ads 24/7 and limits loudness. Color configuration options are the same as the full version.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 09:16:34
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Could you imagine a nag screen popping up in the middle of a critical session with a customer looking over your shoulder when it does? Yeah, right.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 10:36:16
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I saw the sarcasm almost immediately. I own an Android... and what he describes is becoming the MODEL for android software.. charge em for the program, charge em as they play, nag em for more early and often. I've no worries that Cakewalk would even consider this, but if they did, at least I already have X1 working for me.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2
2012/07/15 12:22:04
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too many lasers... Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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