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Sweetening the high end on a mix
I've read tips saying that a slight boost with high shelving around 10kHz can help give mix a "sparkle", but to me it often is too crisp and slightly harsh up there - doesn't seem like my tracks have too much pretty stuff in that range that I want to boost. On a recent recording, I added the VX-64 vocal plugin to the master bus of a mastering project and used it only to add saturation to the upper frequencies. There's the option on that plug-in to activate saturation at the input or output stage, or to just a specific EQ band. I only used it on the upper band at 10k and was pretty happy with the results. It seemed to add a nice polish. There may be other plugins better suited for this, but this seemed to do the trick. Just wanted to share this little trick and see if anyone else has stuff they use for that precious high end that they want to share?
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/01 18:37:27
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the best way to get nice high end, is right when you're tracking. the right mic, the right preamp, the right signal levels, the right room acoustics, and a premium SOURCE. adding high end on mix, mostly just adds harshness. trust your ears, if it sounds harsh, it is harsh. sometimes, the brightness you may want, will be MUCH lower than 10k possibly, what you want, that 'sheen', should be left to the mastering stage.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/01 19:59:56
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I like Voxformer. When you back off the compressors, saturation and presence you can get some great results. I bought an AKG Perception 220 and didn't like it at all for vocals. It has a presence boost, I think somewhere around 4k that was too harsh and brittle for my liking. Sounded pretty decent on my acoustic though.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/01 20:51:18
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I am a fan of the BBE Sonic Maximizer for that type of stuff. I always use it on my master bus, but very judiciously. It just seems to "open" it up. As far as leaving things for the mastering stage: I take Mixerman's advice and try to get it to sound how you want it to sound BEFORE you get it to mastering, compression and everything.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/01 22:14:09
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I have also used the BBE sonic Maximizer. By aligning frequencies in the audio spectrum to coincide with the timed execution of those frequencies from a typical loudspeaker the sound is cleaned up. It can be over used though. I'm all for tracking things right in the rough too,however I see nothing wrong with adding some crisp sparkle with the vocal plug if it helps your sound. Thanks for the tip!
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/01 22:21:58
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This area of top end in a mix is a very interesting one indeed. Most mixes are too bright by far. I think maybe a by product of the digital age but also the fact it is too easy to forget about the top end in all our production stages. I agree with batsbrew it all starts right at track level. And one way to get it right there is to marry the right microphone to the source. eg a bright microphone on a dull source or a warmer smoother mic on a bright source. When you get this marriage right your tracks will sound just about right top end wise. Keep an eye on your highs at track level. If everything in a mix is bright then nothing is bright or nothing will stand out. Think dark sky and a few bright stars here and there. You don't need everything in your mix to be bright. Only one or two things bright will sound way better. Check out Steely Dan's 'Everything Must Go' On some of those tracks only the hats and the vocals are crisp and everything else is warm. Yet the track sounds crisp! I mentioned on another thread (Stereo widening) that putting your final mix through anything should warrant careful consideration in order to maintain integrity. Dave got a good sound but he is still saturating or applying distortion in some capacity. I would be looking to get to that without doing anything like that but going back to track level and checking things there. But I must say it is still better to have to brighten a (duller) mix slightly than put heaps of top end cut in order to make it sound normal. (mastering) If you have to do that, it means everything was way too bright to start with. The way to make digital recording processes sound much more analog is to maintain a watchful eye on the top end of everything, tracks and all. Bob Katz says we still prefer the smoother roll off at the top end type mastering curve. Make sure you don't adjust the top end of your mix straight after days of mixing. Bad idea. Wait a full week and let your ears recover. You will use way less and in fact you might end up attenuating the top end instead! I also agree with batsbrew in that it may be that area from say 4K to 7K or so that you are really interested in. You can provide a gentle boost there (if required that is, you may need to drop it down too) and still roll off top end from 8K onwards and get a nice punchy bright sounding mix that is still not over toppy. Some mixes can build up a little too much energy in that 200 to 300 Hz range too. Put in a gentle dip around that area and listen to how the top end can seriously change for the better. Everyone should listen to Dave Gilmour's 'On an Island' for a serious lesson in overall mix top end or total lack of it, yet things still stand out and cut through beautifully. When the tops are a bit lower our ears open up and start to really hear the top end more accurately. When we blast out ears with highs they shut down (over time) to protect themselves and then you cannot really hear the top end accurately at all.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 01:23:49
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Thanks guys, My ears fatigue and crave gentler songs after too much crackle and spark and width. I'm inclined to ponder if sparkle is best to 'draw attention' (hooks, intro, outro, etc.) while the meat of a song should not sparkle outward more than 30-70% (of the song) +/-, else its hip-hop madness. IOWs, dyanamic sparkle with 'some' ear-breaks (in widening and high EQ). But doing this on the master buss may be a temp and dirty means to 'get ideas' thus.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 01:41:30
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Philip your post got me thinking about how automation could be implimented to control the amount of high end in your tracks especially going from one section to another in a piece of music. I am thinking a Low Pass filter with the cutoff frequency and slope automated. How many of us set some great EQ over a sound but leave it or don't touch it in any way (EQ wise). Volume shifts of course, but why not tame things down (high end wise) in verses and open them up slightly in choruses. (or the other way around) That would add so much class to a mix. And of course in mastering it is cool thing to alter the eq from one section to another too. But at track level you would have incredible control over the top end in your final mix.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 02:25:44
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Jeff, I like what you said about controlling the eq by automating it at track level. I often automate so many other things that I don't really concentrate on that unless it's for some "special efx" type processing. I know that at the mastering stage it's done if needed, but never really concentrated on it at the track level. Will have to look at that in more detail when I go back into the studio to mix.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 05:15:06
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I'm finding that more and more, I'm using a LPF on certain tracks in order to tame unruly highs. I haven't gone so far as to automate any of this yet, though the benefits are starkly apparent!
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 07:41:38
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QUALITY OF THE RECORDING. Number 1. By far. I have a cheap, ****ty behringer condenser mic. I also have a Rode K2. Considerably different qualities. Record a take of an acoustic guitar with each. In general, they sound similar (not to mention all the extra detail in the high end of the Rode). But now if you give each a 10dB high shelf (which you would rarely do in reality), both sound way to bright. BUT, the Rode is MUCH more forgiving. It doesn't sound bad at all, just too bright. It still kinda sounds good, in a way. The behringer sounds TERRIBLE. The harshness just JUMPS out at you and scratches your ears. Similar story with preamps - cheap sounds harsh, boost the highs, it sounds worse - cause you're boosting harshness. Without fixing what's going into your computer, you will struggle to find a plug which can do a really nice job. There is only so much you can do. You might manage to get a good result, but it's always a compromise. With a quality recording, you can do so much more.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 08:21:36
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At the 10khz frequency range and above, it's not so much the actual instruments that are there, it's the harmonics that are there. Harmonics of the lower frequencies. (About the only instruments that come close to that area are cymbals) THIS CHART IS GOOD I printed that chart and have it taped on my studio wall. Looking at it, you will see there in nothing in that area of the frequency range except the harmonics of the lower stuff. So when EQ'ing those freqs, you must be careful not to eliminate them or damp them too much. They give the realism and open top....airy sound to the mix. At that range, I have found that making very small adjustments is all that is needed. Treating each track I think is the key to a crisp sounding vocal without the harshness of the cymbals resonating and turning into a screeching, static sounding top end. Look below the keyboard on the chart.... the lines with titles.... mud, thump, sibilance, air............. all show you at a glance what frequency range affect that particular issue. Very handy chart. I refer to it alot when I am working. That chart is interactive as well.... mouse hover shows details on the instruments. But print it out so you have a quick guide when you are mixing.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 08:47:32
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Wow great responses - after I've had my coffee I'll need to re-read them and digest all this info. I agree that a lot of it is in the tracking and I've mixed drums that were recorded on some Neumann overheads and there was beautiful stuff up there on the high end. I have relatively inexpensive mics (Blue Blueberry, Rode NT1s, etc) so that is a limitation. Also I think it's a good point that if you try to add "sparkle" to every track, the cumulative affect is going to be overkill.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 09:41:27
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Dave. I think the first thing to consider is WHAT will need the sparkle. Often times in my mastering endeavors for clients, I'm dropping 16k on up as well as curbing 12k and then compensating a bit at 10k. What this does is, it takes the excessive air frequencies out of the mix and you can add a bit back in at like 10k. This is good for over-all brightness IF need be, but you have to be careful. You should never just add top end in unless you absolutely need to. The best way to handle this is to take care of it when you mix a tune. The high end freqs to watch for usually show up in cymbals, vocals and a bit to much sizzle in guitars...especially if they are over-driven guitars. Someone here had mentioned the BBE....be careful when using that thing because it strips out good, warm mids and adds in synthetic highs as well as sub low bass if you're not careful. I'd not even use it in moderation because it just doesn't give you enough control. A good eq will do everything that thing can do and then some...as well as give you the proper control over what you are cutting or boosting. I'd also watch how much of that saturation stuff you're using, Dave. The reason being, (and I mean none of the companies any disrespect that make plugs that do that) it's not the same saturation that you'd get from tape or a slightly driven analog pre-amp. As a matter of fact, it's dirty, nasty drive that to me, degrades a mix in 2 seconds flat. The only plug that I have used with great success for this type of saturation that wasn't something analog, is the Studer 800 plug from UAD. Those dudes have come up with the closest saturated/driven sound in plug format that I have ever heard. It's the only simulated saturation I'll use IF I need that sort of thing. But, at the end of the day, if you feel you need more high end in a mix after you have recorded and mixed it, you very well may be going for too much warmth. Instead of adding in highs, what Jeff mentions in the 200-300hz range is completely true. Try dropping some of that and you WILL hear the highs open up. You're removing low-mid congestion, which is an ear sore in the majority of mixes along with guys that are going for excessive warmth and seem to have too much 640-860 Hz going on in a mix. Removing a few dB in that area can help loads too. But the first thing you have to determine is "what needs to be brighter" and this is important. Some instruments need to maintain their warmth and thickness. As soon as you add in highs, you sometimes lose that warmth and thickness. The same as if you remove too much mid range. You start to have a thin mix...so you have to find that happy medium. Another thing that Jeff mentioned that needs to be considered is WHEN you do the mix. If you've been working on something for a long time at a decent volume, the high end in your ears is probably shot for the day and you will always add more highs at that point. I was taught that if you mix at high levels, your high end is toast in 30 minutes. So make sure you don't go too volume crazy and never mix or make a final decision after you have worked on something for a long period of time. Especially if you mix through headphones. They totally kill your ears man as well as the high end freqs. Any time you work on something for a long period of time, it's good to take a break for 2-4 hours (or longer) before you come back to it and make any real decisions. You'll be amazed at how different things sound when you come back to them after a break. :)
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 10:20:59
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If everything in a mix is bright then nothing is bright or nothing will stand out. This is a wise observation, along the same lines as "if everything is loud, then nothing is loud". I'm a fan of EQ automation as a way to bring out certain elements of the mix when I want to call attention to them. This is most effective on stereo tracks, because it has the added benefit of widening the sound - our stereophonic cues come mostly from the high frequencies. Here's another aspect to the question to ponder: the effect of hearing loss on mix brightness. I worry that I am mixing to satisfy my own degraded hearing, resulting in overly-bright sound to other people's ears. You always hear the tired slogan "trust your ears" or "use your ears, not your eyes", but this is one case where visual aids save the day.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 10:36:41
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bitflipper If everything in a mix is bright then nothing is bright or nothing will stand out. This is a wise observation, along the same lines as "if everything is loud, then nothing is loud". I'm a fan of EQ automation as a way to bring out certain elements of the mix when I want to call attention to them. This is most effective on stereo tracks, because it has the added benefit of widening the sound - our stereophonic cues come mostly from the high frequencies. Here's another aspect to the question to ponder: the effect of hearing loss on mix brightness. I worry that I am mixing to satisfy my own degraded hearing, resulting in overly-bright sound to other people's ears. You always hear the tired slogan "trust your ears" or "use your ears, not your eyes", but this is one case where visual aids save the day. Good point Dave... I have some high frequency hearing loss.... according to the audiologist I went to many years ago, who did a test and graphed it out for me..... I have a noticeable dip in the 4k range as a result of guns and a certain band I was a part of.... that is the ringing frequency I hear 24/7, below that dip range I have normal hearing and above that I have good hearing, slightly diminished in the higher ranges. So when I mix, and I'm listening to a mix, I have to really focus on the high end to be sure I am not compensating for my ears as you pointed out.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/02 20:22:40
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I agree with Danny about the BBE Sonic Maximzer. I had the hardware unit and the first thing I found out was the unit had a flat response with those Low and Hi end controls at 11 O'Clock position which seemed a little wierd to me. I would of thought 12 O'Clock would have been better. If you can listen past the obvious high and low end change you get when you start moving those contols and do a more serious Hi Fi type AB test and in this case it is your mix with and without the BBE then you can to start hearing that the unprocessed mix sounds better and the integrity of the mix is higher without it. The same could apply with Dave's use of the VX-64 over his entire mix. It's OK on a buss or a stereo keyboard Pad like sound for example. It will spice a sound up big time and I think it sounds better when its pushed hard actually but used only on one track or a buss and mixed low. Mix integrity remains high. BBE gets to spice up a part. I have got the plugin and it seems to sound pretty close to the hardware unit too.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/03 00:15:12
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I will try and not get to scientific in the explanation of the BBE as I understand it. Unlike the Apex Aural exciter the BBE corrects the TIMING differences of the various frequencies as they come out of a loud speaker. The higher frequencies reach your ears before the lower ones do and this is characteristic of typical loudspeaker designs. When a non processed song leaves a typical speaker and reaches your ears, it sounds muddy because alignment of frequencies changed due to the inherhent flaw of the speaker. The algorhythm in the BBE corrects for this misalignment resulting in a clearer,cleaner and crisper sound. Not all speakers act the same so BBE designed the best overall fix to this problem covering the most types of speakers with some compensation possible through the contour controls. The BBE is best used after all other EQ is completed. It is often misused as an EQ when in fact it is not an eq and the only thing it adds to the signal is frequency alignment corrections. Just like a compressor it can be used incorrectly and adjusted the incorrectly.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/03 09:58:01
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Star, I'm not disagreeing with your explanation there. I'm just saying that the clear "fix" you think you are hearing is, it is also removing mid range from your material. You got 2 knobs on the thing...high end, and low end. When you turn up the highs, it gets crispy in all the wrong areas and removes mids as it does it...honest. When you turn up the low, it gives you sub low rumble. The best setting I've been able to use for this was slighly above the second notch on each knob....the equal to about 8 o'clock. Anything more, it was nasaly or sub low endy. When the BBE hit, it was the competition for the Aphex as you know. In my opinion, it never has compared. Then some joker decided to throw a BBE in his guitar rig and it spread like wild fire. When guitarists got over the shock value of it thinking it was improving their tone due to most dudes trying to eq a freakin cab that is blowing at their knees and literally heard what they were getting, they stopped using it instantly. It removes so much good warmth and mids out of a mix, I just can't find a use for it. I think quite a few use it because it's simple to use...but little do they know, it's so simple, it can degrade a mix as well. There can be no help to a mix that has the wrong stuff in it already. Increasing the highs and bringing in sub lows won't fix it and that's what this thing does in my experience. Decreasing the incorrect highs and replacing them with the RIGHT ones using a real eq is the answer...as well as removing sub lows and low mid/mid range congestion. The BBE is not going to do that, so to me, it just seems pointless if someone cares enough about their audio to do it right. I do agree with what you said about incorrect use, I just can't find a "correct" use for it. LOL! Jeff: Yeah, they really did a nice job on the plug. It sounds exactly like the BBE hardware unit I have. I bought into it too years ago hoping it was this magic little box. Once I learned what the heck it was doing and really knew what to listen for, I pulled that thing out of my rack and it's been sitting ever since. But hey, if someone makes it work and their mixes sound great, then it's a great tool no matter what anyone thinks of it. :)
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/03 10:29:23
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Yeah. I bought it when it first came out and started using it too much. At first I was blown away by it and then something strange began to occur. My ears got so used to it that I could no longer discern a subtle tweak and would start increasing it. I still occasionally use it but only just a touch. I find nowadays I don't even have to touch the high end in my recordings, just cut through the mud at the bottom end... and I'm even more careful about that now.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
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No need to speculate on how the Sonic Maximizer works, as detailed explanations and schematics can be found on the net. I dug them up a while back and came to the conclusion that all the phase-correction/phase alignment mumbo jumbo is marketing B.S., and ultimately it's nothing more than a disco-smile bass and treble booster.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/04 11:00:13
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Jeff Evans This area of top end in a mix is a very interesting one indeed. Most mixes are too bright by far. Yes, precisely. I would say that more than half of the mastering I do involves taming the high end, not boosting it.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 11:56:05
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Great discussion! I think someone mentioned in a different thread that the loudest elements in the high end are usually a bit of cymbals and vocal sibilance. Probably not a hard and fast rule, but a good place to start. What I've found is that if there are too many double tracked guitars with fizzy distortion, you'll never get the high end right. (Don't get me wrong, I like distortion). I agree about the UAD Studer (subtle by itself, but very nice in a cumulative fashion). I like the UAD Massive Passive as well in subdued amounts.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 12:38:59
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I only have enough time to engage my passions for recording and music on a part time basis,unlike a few of you who are involved in it to a much greater extent,who have had more time in the mixing chair than I have. So I don't intend to knock what you say,on the contrary I listen carefully. I have been a subcriber to SOS for years and every good engineer in that publication says basically the same things you guys here do. The frequencies do need to be notched at the right places depending on the instrument. I can't go so far as to call what BBE calls their equipment marketing BS though. Maybe I'm too trusting. Unlike you bitflipper I did not look in detail at the schematics. I am not calling it a magic box either. But I think that if any audio company lied about what their stuff is advertised to do they could be held liable and sued. So Danni and Bitflipper,no disrespect to either of you. I am not personally convinced that there isn't a place for it in my studio. But like you two also say it will never taker the place of a good EQ mix either. Peace!!
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 13:56:31
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Starise I only have enough time to engage my passions for recording and music on a part time basis,unlike a few of you who are involved in it to a much greater extent,who have had more time in the mixing chair than I have. So I don't intend to knock what you say,on the contrary I listen carefully. I have been a subcriber to SOS for years and every good engineer in that publication says basically the same things you guys here do. The frequencies do need to be notched at the right places depending on the instrument. I can't go so far as to call what BBE calls their equipment marketing BS though. Maybe I'm too trusting. Unlike you bitflipper I did not look in detail at the schematics. I am not calling it a magic box either. But I think that if any audio company lied about what their stuff is advertised to do they could be held liable and sued. So Danni and Bitflipper,no disrespect to either of you. I am not personally convinced that there isn't a place for it in my studio. But like you two also say it will never taker the place of a good EQ mix either. Peace!! No disrespect taken Star...and I completely understand and value your opinion and experience on this. If the BBE works for you and you like the results, it matters not what anyone else thinks. My whole thing in regards to it is, if you do what it does via the right eq, you will get even better results. For example, the nice mids it strips out...you have no control over that really. Some of those mids need to still be there. The highs it adds in...some of them are way too sizzly. The lows it adds in, way too sub low sounding which can turn to mud. I'm saying, why settle for that when you can tweak things the right way to perfection and end up with a much better result that has the stuff that's needed? See, I think another thing that needs to be experienced is how and what to listen for. A trained ear to this stuff is going to hear things differently than an ear that might not have the additional years in a mixing chair. What you may consider "high end" guys like bit, Jeff and myself may call "harsh high end that shouldn't be there". When you hear too much of something bright, can you tell what frequency is being pushed? Most times, people can't but they know it's too much high end. Instead of curbing it and putting in what may be correct high end, they just turn it down. I hear in frequency language, so when I hear high end in excess, I'm going to say "that's too much 8k" or whatever where someone else may say "too much highs". Or "I need to add a bit more presence to my mix, what do I do?" And I'll listen and tell them what I'd recommend instead of just dropping a device on that raises "highs" or "lows". That's the thing with audio, it's all about being precise in my opinion and knowing when to make the right calls. The right monitors help with this also and when tuned correctly while knowing what to listen for, you hear the razor sharp highs or sub low rumble effects of the BBE in 3 seconds. But like I say, if it works for you by all means use it. I just would rather have a bit more control over where my lows get boosted, how much mid range is in my material and where I want the sparkle to be in my high end. The BBE will not do that for you, so in a sense, though it may be a cool tool for you, it's also limiting your possibilities in my opinion. :)
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 21:33:33
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This whole discussion about the theory behind the BBE Sonic Maximizer got me wondering … independent of whether the Maximizer does what it claims … can the so called phase correction be achieved in Sonar via filtering and delay. I used a drum track from a song I am currently trying to finish off so, it’s a mix of about 16 measures of me playing some straight forward beats. This is just kind of a ‘proof of principle’ … so, let me know if my description makes sense and if you can perceive the differences between the tracks. Experiment 1 - Reference Export the drum track with effects and all (no dither 24 / 48). Open up a “Stereo Mastering” project and import the drum track leaving the default effects (multiband compressor, etc.) on the master buss. Put a Sonitus EQ in the effects bin and leave it as default (flat). Export as mp3 (w/ dither) and call it the “Reference” Experiment 2 - Simulated BBE Open up a “Stereo Mastering” project and import the drum track leaving the default effects (multiband compressor, etc.) on the master buss. Add 2 audio tracks and copy the drum track to the 2 new audio tracks so you have 3 identical drum tracks. Put a Sonitus EQ in each of the effect bins of the 3 tracks. Using the default setting (for Q and freq.) on the Sonitus EQ and by toggling the filter button pass only highs on track 1, pass only mids on track 2 and pass only lows on track 3. Invert the phase on track 2 (the mids) … this is important, I know this from building speaker cross-overs. Shift the mids 10 microseconds and shift the lows 20 microseconds. Export as mp3 (w/ dither) and call it “Simulated BBE” Experiment 3 - BBE Open up a “Stereo Mastering” project and import the drum track leaving the default effects (multiband compressor, etc.) on the master buss. Put a Sonitus EQ in the effects bin and leave it as default (flat). Put the BBE Sonic Maximizer in the effects bin and set both the “Lo Contour” and “Process” to 5 (rolled back the gain a little too). Export as mp3 (w/ dither) and call it “BBE” Reference: http://www.soundclick.com...&q=hi&newref=1 Simulated BBE: http://www.soundclick.com...&q=hi&newref=1 BBE: http://www.soundclick.com...&q=hi&newref=1
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 22:20:48
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Damn. I have to give a slight egde to the BBE track. Both the reference and simulated sound justa bit washed out in comparison. It is very slight, but IMO the kick and cymbals are just a little more defined and tighter. I listened a bunch of times and in different order too... I do though have to pick the BBE track as the better sounding one of the three. Interesting experiment to say the least.
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 22:27:48
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Or load and use BBE? Or some other exciter?
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Re:Sweetening the high end on a mix
2011/06/05 23:24:49
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The reference track is the best. BBE track is also good but brighter. When I EQ the reference to match the BBE I find it still sounds a little more robust. The simulated is the worst of the three. Good experiment. I think it might take a little more than what you did to simulate the BBE to actually equal it. I used it for a while myself but have found there is nothing you cannot do everywhere else to create a similar effect and it sounds better in the bargain. It is quick fix for something like a deep complex synth pad that is lacking in bottom end and extreme highs so you might then go for some strong BBE effect but in the end it is mixed low etc..But nothing a good high end exciter and some tasty low end EQ cannot fix either.
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