TH3 Preset change within Sonar (Yes or No)

Hi I googled a bit about this problem and it seems that it can`t be done anymore on TH3.
This is one of those times that I hope I`m wrong.
Peace

The Global MIDI section of TH3 Cakewalk has bindings available for next/previous bank and preset. Unfortunately, I believe MIDI learn is broken at the moment.

Jim Kalinowski
 But I can't seem to get MIDI learn to work with CC values, so I can't control the volume or wha pedal.

That is where I started and stopped with the TH3 MIDI implementation.

Thank you Malta!

Hi The Grim can you change presets/patches via a midi track in your DAW?
Any DAW.
Peace

It took me quite a while to figure out how to midi control TH3 as a plugin in Sonar but finally succeeded.  I just tested that I am able to control TH3 with a midi controller as well as record those changes (program changes, continuous controllers) to a midi track and play them back.  You have to have 2 tracks - one for the guitar audio coming from your Music interface and a second track for the Midi.  You have to assign these tracks precisely for it to work.  Below are my notes I have on the details.  To avoid going thru this repeatedly, I created a track template for both tracks and just call that up inserting TH3 into a new project.
 
Steps:
TH3 needs to be manually configured as a synth and effect in Sonar. To do this follow the steps below:
1. Go to the Cakewalk Plug-in manager window: Tools/Cakewalk plugin manager.
2. Find TH3 in the VST Audio Effects (VST) list.
3. Click the Plug-in Properties button in the VST Configuration group.
4. Click on “Enable as plugin” and “Configure as Synth” button.
5. Close and exit.
6. Create an "audio track".  Insert TH3 in the “effects bin” of this track.  Set that track Input to whatever your audio interface guitar inputs are and the output to whatever your audio interface outputs are.
7. Create a new "MIDI track" and set the track’s output to TH3 and input to whatever midi channel your midi controller is transmitting on.  You should be able to record and playback program changes, continuous controllers, etc. in this track.
8. Make sure to turn on Midi Echo on both tracks.
 

Could you please elaborate on "use the VST drop down in the standard header to Enable MIDI Input/Output"?  Where is the standard header found?  Would I have to create an audio track or just a TH3 instrument track?
 
Yes, I have full version of TH3 direct from Overloud.  I didn't know TH3 was available thru Cakewalk yet.  The Overloud rep told me they were negotiating with Cakewalk to make TH3 available (stripped down version) but that was a couple months ago.

For some reason, I can't get midi control of TH3 to work unless "Configure as synth" is checked on.  I verified the header has Enable Midi Input checked on.

craigr68
Could you please elaborate on "use the VST drop down in the standard header to Enable MIDI Input/Output"?  Where is the standard header found?  Would I have to create an audio track or just a TH3 instrument track?
 
Yes, I have full version of TH3 direct from Overloud.  I didn't know TH3 was available thru Cakewalk yet.  The Overloud rep told me they were negotiating with Cakewalk to make TH3 available (stripped down version) but that was a couple months ago.

TH3 Cakewalk should be released this week with the 2016.04 download in one of the FX listings under Sonar.

""MIDI Bank change is fully supported: you can select all 999 banks, as well as you can switch between Factory and User Banks.
MIDI Program Change
When you look at the Sound panel of TH2, you can see that Sound numbers are displayed in a SS.V format where SS stands for the Sound number (00 to 12) and V stands for the Variation number (1 to 8). Quite simply this number (leaving out the dot) represents the MIDI Program Change you have to send remotely in order to select that Variation inside TH2. As an example, if you want to select Variation 2 in Sound 03 (reading 03.2 on TH2 Sound panel), then you will have to send a MIDI Program Change 032""
 
These words are taken from the TH2 Manual, there`s nothing like it in TH3 Manual.
This should explain what I need to do and how I did it with TH2.
Peace

(I might be missing some detail about what you're asking.)  First of all, I'm not real familiar with TH2.  I believe TH3 has a different approach to Program Changes from TH2.  The TH3 manual says "Program Changes recall presets in current bank".  With TH3 the screen shows banks on the upper left and presets below that.  You get 128 presets per bank which is plenty for me and I just send it a Program Change 1 to 128 to change between them and it works for me.  It works whether I send a Program Change directly from a Midi Controller or whether I insert program changes in a track with the event editor.  I don't know if there is a way to change banks by Program Change because with 128 presets per bank, I haven't had any need or desire to do so.  I just select a different bank with my mouse if I want to go to another bank which I do to audition factory sounds for instance.  Again, I'm using the full TH3 version from Overloud.

 "First of all, I'm not real familiar with TH2.  I believe TH3 has a different approach to Program Changes from TH2.  The TH3 manual says "Program Changes recall presets in current bank". 
 
Yes craigr68 just the preset not the bank.
 
"You get 128 presets per bank which is plenty for me and I just send it a Program Change 1 to 128 to change between them and it works for me.  It works whether I send a Program Change directly from a Midi Controller or whether I insert program changes in a track with the event editor."
 
Well looks like you`re doing it,so it can be done I`ll keep on trying, see what I`m doing wrong.
 
"By the way, there is an option in TH3 under MIDI at top called "Program Changes recall presets in current bank" described on pg 16 of TH3 User Manual you might want to check."
 
Yes I did that first thing.
Thanks for all the help,I`ll update when I succeed.
Peace

Anybody else doing this besides craigr68, writing a patch  change in a midi track and TH3 actually changes to that preset?
Is Sonar Platinum suppose to see TH3 as a synth in the browser? I can only insert it via effects bin.
Peace

Ok tenfoot thx I thought I`m doing something wrong myself,which is not the first time and not the last time for sure.
Peace