John



I never said there was a storm.  I was simply noting a lot of misguied passion for a very trite topic.

I also see it as a little unseemly for musicians to put down other musicians. No one has to like the music.  I'm old enough to remember what was done to and said about rock & roll musicians when it came along.

Also John if you read my posts correctly you'll see nothing of me putting anybody's music down only the choice to use them to market this product isn't IMO the best one.

When you polarize discussions with your own spin it tends to create 'sides' which then lead to argument.  What was happening here, notably until your input was merely debate.  So instead of expressing how you feel about the subject as Trimph says you've reduced a healthy topic toward semantics.

Perhaps that was your intent.

Wow...!!!

Nevermind the use of X1... Not what Im pointing to or excited about... 

A first here I think,  in that  "most" seemed to agree that the band CW used wasn't exactly their "own" cup-O-tea....... 




A first!  Amazing!  

Jonbouy

John



I never said there was a storm.  I was simply noting a lot of misguied passion for a very trite topic.

I also see it as a little unseemly for musicians to put down other musicians. No one has to like the music.  I'm old enough to remember what was done to and said about rock & roll musicians when it came along.

Also John if you read my posts correctly you'll see nothing of me putting anybody's music down only the choice to use them to market this product isn't IMO the best one.

When you polarize discussions with your own spin it tends to create 'sides' which then lead to argument.  What was happening here, notably until your input was merely debate.

I noticed that and it serves you well. That you did not put anyone's music down. I am not taking a side. I simply think this entire thread is trivial.

The point is that the OP doesn't like the music of the group in an ad. That is fine as far as it goes but I think it went on a bit too much and started bashing the group and CW for using them in an ad. That isn't very polite and really who cares who uses Sonar?

I think also somehow the OP has some feeling that there is some sort of association between a group he dislikes and him simply for CW using them in an ad and that they and he use the same software. Here tolerance is sorely needed.

 

Jonbouy


John, aside from the semantics, I'd love to hear your views on marketing using the obviously apparent skills that are easy to spot in our very own forum by people we know that are successfully using the products in order to appeal to those that perhaps would like to do the same.

Personally I think that would be far more effective in attracting custom here than highlighting a random act that is prepared to put their name to the product.  OK so using this band may not be a bad thing as part of a marketing mix, but I'm saying I feel there is much shinier fruit to put in the front row in order to induce sales.

Thats not a bad idea.

trimph1

mikey


Wow...!!!

Nevermind the use of X1... Not what Im pointing to or excited about... 

A first here I think,  in that  "most" seemed to agree that the band CW used wasn't exactly their "own" cup-O-tea....... 




A first!  Amazing!  

Maybe, but it does not therefor mean that CW could not use them in the campaigns either.   


I still don't see why this is an issue, really... 

It's been established already, it's not an issue, a storm or anything bad like that it is (or at least attempting to be) a discussion on how X1 is marketed.

[headbangingonwall smiley]

Steve, i think you place far to much value on words. To dismiss my analogy because of the term DAW 2.0, is silly. That is nothing more than Cake making a clever marketing statement. Think of it the term Cakewalk could be picked on as well. It is not a cakewalk that is sure.

To even argue that some artist you do not particularly like is bad marketing is to say you are some authority on the matter, when you, me, and most of us here are just users of a product. If it works well for us then fine, but to go to all the trouble to fuss over such is really silly.

And even the DAW 2.0 part is just a slick term to catch thought, not a true revelation that the product is a advancement like the difference between a hammer and a power fastener. Besides, power fastening devices have never made hammers obsolete. They just make certain jobs faster. 

Anyway, it is interesting how every few days someone comes along and starts a argumentive kind of post and everyone seems to feel the need to defend the product when it really does not matter, and yet they do, (myself included). The real funny part is somehow, some way, John and Mike or some other verbally fencing types find a way to turn it into a personal dual.

Geez don't any of us have a life!?!

They ain't all that in the UK as far as I can tell.

Well, Steve, I hope you're satisfied now...the band has taken their page offline, no doubt too embarrassed to continue. As we speak the band members are trying to get their old jobs back at Home Depot.

mikey

A first here I think,  in that  "most" seemed to agree that the band CW used wasn't exactly their "own" cup-O-tea....... 

*slaps knee*

Wow...!!! Nevermind the use of X1... Not what Im pointing to or excited about... A first here I think, in that "most" seemed to agree that the band CW used wasn't exactly their "own" cup-O-tea....... A first! Amazing!

I can only speak for myself on that account, I have listened quite a few times and I can really dig the song, it has a nice pop element to it. I like the way the rap interacts with the changes. I really like the chorus. What I don't like about it is the beat track. There may be different expectations from hip hop down under, but the major thing it lacks that IMO is very important are sub lows. The kids here that listen to Hip Hop and Metal spend some serious coin on their car subs and expect those beats to be fat. I think the natural kit was a mistake and would be much better with a hip hop or electronica kit. Though I really enjoyed the execution of the vocals a bit more attention to the mix is still needed there. JMO

Oh well.

 
Whatever?  Never mind?  
 

Hell. I thought the Black-Ops Call Of Duty would have already taken care of any doubts, you know how gamers are wired to the tilt! Had to have spread word to many, many young adults, and I use this term lightly, or was it even done on X1? Oh well, I think they are doing fine with marketing! Being rough on the band, isn't there fault Cake picked em!

All music I don't like is rubbish.
Go on... argue with me.... :).

Wow, some of you are showing your age in here. j/k

Hollywood Undead has some of the most rotated tracks in clubs right now.

All I'm reading here is: "I don't like how this music sounds, therefore it must be easy to make/have no technical value"

Then you need to go back through the thread and pay more attention this time...