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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 18:38:01
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For me, the mastering process is all about making an album, or set of songs, sound cohesive as it plays. How does this tool help in that regard? Wouldn't you just end up with a bunch of "mastered" outputs that don't play well together? Enlighten me ...
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 20:30:42
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For me, the mastering process is all about making an album, or set of songs, sound cohesive as it plays. How does this tool help in that regard? Wouldn't you just end up with a bunch of "mastered" outputs that don't play well together? Enlighten me ...
I guess you haven't been listening to the "career advice" from "industry experts" that "the album is dead" and "it's a singles world." Of course, upon hearing that a zillion times over and over again I decided my next project should be an album  If everyone's making only singles, well then, I have a built-in way to stand out! Seriously, though, you are talking about one essential component of mastering that these days, seems as relevant to most people as mastering for vinyl. Hopefully the art of a well-sequenced and beautifully recorded/mastered album will become prominent once more, but I'm not holding my breath. That said, there is still art in a beautifully mastered single.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 20:56:35
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For me, the mastering process is all about making an album, or set of songs, sound cohesive as it plays. How does this tool help in that regard? Wouldn't you just end up with a bunch of "mastered" outputs that don't play well together? Enlighten me ...
I guess you haven't been listening to the "career advice" from "industry experts" that "the album is dead" and 'it's a singles world." Of course, upon hearing that a zillion times over and over again I decided my next project should be an album If everyone's making only singles, well then, I have a built-in way to stand out!
Seriously, though, you are talking about one essential component of mastering that these days, seems as relevant to most people as mastering for vinyl. Hopefully the art of a well-sequenced and beautifully recorded/mastered album will become prominent once more, but I'm not holding my breath.
That said, there is still art in a beautifully mastered single.
What percent of the people who listen to that single will hear the uncompressed version? I don't own thousands of CDs because I love singles.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 21:41:06
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I have the ears of a hobbyist, and I listened through un-calibrated headphones. But, two of the Masters sounded right to me and nearly identical while the other three, also very similar to each other, sounded too compressed or limited, just too harsh.
It'll be fun to find out what's what.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 22:03:02
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I love these kinds of things!! They can be very revelatory.
Which one sounds the "best"? Far be from me to say, but I prefer #4, because, as others noted, it fits the mood of the song better. To me the others grabbed you by the throat, but #4 is more like a gentle caress, which I think is what this song needs. But that's just me.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 23:43:42
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The problem is not with the mastering, it is with the song itself. It is so boring that I could not listen all the versions.
I'm sure the song-writer who has lovingly created this song will be pleased with your assessment. I hope that if someone ever calls your music boring you won't be offended and take it to heart. Perhaps it's just a sad reflection of the music industry in general. We're all entitled to our opinions and don't have to like everything...but I'm sure that there are more respectful ways of giving such feedback.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 23:45:15
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I pick #3 as it had the best balance of clarity without loosing that intimacy. But to be honest, that distorted pad sound at the beginning and the overbearing snare kinda ruins the song.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/15 23:46:04
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I like the original and 4 the best. The others seem introduce varying levels of harshness that for me at least, cancel out laid-back beauty of the song...like a drive effect has been added somewhere.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 00:49:09
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I guess you haven't been listening to the "career advice" from "industry experts" that "the album is dead" and "it's a singles world." Of course, upon hearing that a zillion times over and over again I decided my next project should be an album If everyone's making only singles, well then, I have a built-in way to stand out!
Seriously, though, you are talking about one essential component of mastering that these days, seems as relevant to most people as mastering for vinyl. Hopefully the art of a well-sequenced and beautifully recorded/mastered album will become prominent once more, but I'm not holding my breath.
That said, there is still art in a beautifully mastered single.
Yes, I've heard that the album is considered dead by some, singles rule, albums drool ... My 14 YO twins are always saying, "Why would I buy the entire album if I only like 2 songs?", to which I reply, "So the artist can keep a roof over their head, eat, and make more music!" Surely there some artists out there with an attention span longer than 3 or 4 min, no? For me, an album that is enjoyable end to end is ultimate. (Yes, I know what a playlist is ...) I guess I just haven't been assimilated yet, but it's inevitable, soon I'll be part of the collective listening to low bit rate MP3s, messing with my phone instead of enjoying the view or talking to "real" people sitting next to me. My attention span will decrease to the point that I'm unemployable and everything will need to provide instant gratification or I'll be bored in seconds ... ;-)
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 01:12:21
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I liked 6 overall as the best "Mastered" sound. Was wider than the others so I would guess it was done at the mastering house as it almost sounded like m/s balancing/eq was used.
4 was easier to listen to but it was also a few db rms quieter so I factored that in. Balance was decent.
1 was just a loud mess.
2 was cleaner but the vox was bad and the bass drum was too loud
3 was better balance I thought but still too loud overall
5 was the first one I'd guess was hand mastered, sounded wider, maybe some m/s was used, closer to 6 than the others.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 04:47:50
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Not being one who believes greatly in coincidences, I find this a little on the 'smelly' side recalling the recent backlash and negativity of the release with LandR integration, just a little to 'coincidental' for me. Also . . .
1. We, the user have no idea which file/which master is which and it seems that people would be a little to trusting in a Company which has an agenda to push, ie they would like to 'shore' up, to validate their inclusion of a product such as LandR, especially after such negativity and backlash it created upon release. A company is a company, they are all about doing what is in their own best interest, do not kid yourself, Cakewalk is no different, it would be wrong to blindly place your faith in any company as it seems a lot here do. Remember how LandR was somewhat stealthily slipped in?
2. Not knowing which file is which, which master is which, we really have no way of knowing which is the winner, and I would be very dubious if in fact they tried to tell us that it was in fact one of the LandR masters that was considered the most popular, the best, remember they (Cakewalk) have a barrow to push in this case after recent events.
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Which one do I think is the best, doesn't really matter, and I will keep that to myself and check back if and when it is revealed which is which just out of curiosity.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 05:24:03
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You Cynical Snott :-) If they told us which was which it would not be much of a double blind test now would it?
At least the alternate alias is revealingly accurate.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 05:40:08
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☄ Helpfulby Soundblend 2016/03/16 07:17:56
I disregard #2 and #4, not because they sound bad, but because I feel they may not be loud enough to be competitive in the modern world. #2 is leaner and I suspect it may be LANDR on medium intensity, since I feel the app is pretty conservative when it comes to adding highs and lows.
#1 and #6 choke when the disco beat enters.
#3 and #5 retain punch while being loud and the winner for me is #3 which I'm guessing is the pro master. I have a hope that #5 is LANDR on high intensity.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 05:55:14
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I just see boxes with the cloud logo and SOUNDCLOUD underneath. Does anyone know what sites/CDNs need to be allowed to make SoundCloud work?
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 05:57:52
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 06:47:29
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I just see boxes with the cloud logo and SOUNDCLOUD underneath.
I can play the songs directly on the blog page. Even if the waveform disappears to be replace by "Hear more on Soundcloud" I can still click the play button (which is now invisible in the upper left of the box) to hear the song. After pausing a song it can stutter quite a bit when I resume play, but this goes away after a while. Soundcloud only requires permission for "soundcloud.com" (if you're on Firefox 41 or earlier that is. I stopped at 41 because of the mess cookies have turned into since).
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 10:16:45
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I pick #3 as it had the best balance of clarity without loosing that intimacy. But to be honest, that distorted pad sound at the beginning and the overbearing snare kinda ruins the song.
Certainly some mixing/producing choices I probably would have made differently, but they do have a pretty solid mix. I was actually surprised it was out of Finland. It sounds very American, which is where, as another member pointed out is indicative of the "music industry". Why not keep it Finnish-sounding? It might actually stand out.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 10:23:47
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Cynical Snott
Not being one who believes greatly in coincidences, I find this a little on the 'smelly' side recalling the recent backlash and negativity of the release with LandR integration, just a little to 'coincidental' for me. Also . . .
1. We, the user have no idea which file/which master is which and it seems that people would be a little to trusting in a Company which has an agenda to push, ie they would like to 'shore' up, to validate their inclusion of a product such as LandR, especially after such negativity and backlash it created upon release. A company is a company, they are all about doing what is in their own best interest, do not kid yourself, Cakewalk is no different, it would be wrong to blindly place your faith in any company as it seems a lot here do. Remember how LandR was somewhat stealthily slipped in?
2. Not knowing which file is which, which master is which, we really have no way of knowing which is the winner, and I would be very dubious if in fact they tried to tell us that it was in fact one of the LandR masters that was considered the most popular, the best, remember they (Cakewalk) have a barrow to push in this case after recent events.
Welcome To Reality.
Which one do I think is the best, doesn't really matter, and I will keep that to myself and check back if and when it is revealed which is which just out of curiosity.
I agree that what you think doesn't really matter. The reality is that several different files have been identified as "favorites." So whichever one was done by the human mastering engineer, it will likely be the favorite of some but not others.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 10:43:01
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Cynical Snott
2. Not knowing which file is which, which master is which, we really have no way of knowing which is the winner, and I would be very dubious if in fact they tried to tell us that it was in fact one of the LandR masters that was considered the most popular, the best, remember they (Cakewalk) have a barrow to push in this case after recent events.
I promise we're not going to skew the results in favor of LANDR. I promise we're not going to skew the results in any way whatsoever. We'll tell you which file was which, and how each one placed, no less, no more. Besides, it doesn't really matter which one was which, because so far, all 6 have gotten at least some of the votes as the favorite. This brings me to the point that even if we were pushing a LANDR agenda (and sorry to disappoint, but we're not, this was just supposed to be fun), the point that we've been trying to make all along -- that LANDR isn't there to replace a pro mastering house, but to be yet another tool in your arsenal -- has already been proven because again, all 6 have gotten at least some of the votes as the favorite :) Edit: Results are going to be posted in just a few minutes!
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 11:05:55
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/03/17 09:06:56
Please check the SoundCloud option that makes the files downloadable.
SoundCloud's player does not lend itself to proper A/B comparisons. I would prefer to load the files into a SONAR project so I could easily jump to the exact same locations in each version, including the original to hear what the mastering solution actually did to it.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 11:15:14
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+1 to downloadable, but I believe this is a commercial track as the artist was referenced in another blog post as well, so such is unlikely.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 11:31:24
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The results so far are pretty interesting. Seems like this is a very subjective topic.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 11:55:31
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Please check the SoundCloud option that makes the files downloadable.
SoundCloud's player does not lend itself to proper A/B comparisons. I would prefer to load the files into a SONAR project so I could easily jump to the exact same locations in each version, including the original to hear what the mastering solution actually did to it.
Sorry, licensing issues :/
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 12:08:52
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I just see boxes with the cloud logo and SOUNDCLOUD underneath.
I can play the songs directly on the blog page. Even if the waveform disappears to be replace by "Hear more on Soundcloud" I can still click the play button (which is now invisible in the upper left of the box) to hear the song. After pausing a song it can stutter quite a bit when I resume play, but this goes away after a while.
Soundcloud only requires permission for "soundcloud.com" (if you're on Firefox 41 or earlier that is. I stopped at 41 because of the mess cookies have turned into since).
Well, I have allowed soundcloud.com (and cakewalk.com, of course). I just get the boxes with the logo, nothing happens when I click on them. The only other sites still forbidden are surveymonkey and google analytics, and they cannot have anything to do with playing soundcloud. Ah, well. Not so important, really.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 12:11:00
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bitflipper
Please check the SoundCloud option that makes the files downloadable.
SoundCloud's player does not lend itself to proper A/B comparisons. I would prefer to load the files into a SONAR project so I could easily jump to the exact same locations in each version, including the original to hear what the mastering solution actually did to it.
Sorry, licensing issues :/
Solid point. But it would have been cool to see if any Sonar users could submit a Master of the raw mix. I'd love to have a gander at it.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 12:24:47
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I just see boxes with the cloud logo and SOUNDCLOUD underneath.
I can play the songs directly on the blog page. Even if the waveform disappears to be replace by "Hear more on Soundcloud" I can still click the play button (which is now invisible in the upper left of the box) to hear the song. After pausing a song it can stutter quite a bit when I resume play, but this goes away after a while.
Soundcloud only requires permission for "soundcloud.com" (if you're on Firefox 41 or earlier that is. I stopped at 41 because of the mess cookies have turned into since).
Well, I have allowed soundcloud.com (and cakewalk.com, of course). I just get the boxes with the logo, nothing happens when I click on them. The only other sites still forbidden are surveymonkey and google analytics, and they cannot have anything to do with playing soundcloud.
Ah, well. Not so important, really.
Possible SoundCloud uses GA and fails if it's not available (I've run into this elsewhere).
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 12:59:09
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Mastering is mainly about cohesion & continuity between songs in a musical project.
To be useful you need to master several songs together, not just one.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 13:24:40
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Google Analytics. Google Scripts is also another site/set of scripts that gets used a lot and blocking it can cause things to fail unexpectedly.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"
2016/03/16 13:35:58
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