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2016/03/14 16:21:44 (permalink)

Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test"

We thought it would be fun to have a blind mastering taste-test. 
 
In the test, you'll find an original pre-master, and 6 masters:
1 mastered by a prominent mastering house/engineer in NYC;
2 mastered by different intensity settings in LANDR; and
3 mastered by Cakewalk staff using various plug-in suites.
 
We're curious which one you think sounds best. Head to http://blog.cakewalk.com/landr-blind-taste-test/ and vote for your favorite of these 6 masters. We'll release the results in about two weeks and let you know which one you chose!
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 16:26:44 (permalink)
This is a great idea

I won't get a chance for a proper listen for a while but I hope people listen with open minds - as well as open ears

As with most things "music" there is rarely a right or wrong - just subjective taste

It will be really interesting to hear the differences (or not!?!?)

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 17:26:36 (permalink)
Will be doing this test soon.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 17:39:28 (permalink)
Cool! I hope this does not tell me how bad my ears are
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 17:51:51 (permalink)
Just submitted by choice and comments on each version.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 18:25:48 (permalink)
 
I actually prefer the pre-master for its intimacy and its "in my livingroom" immediacy.
 
I recognize that this is a pop song and has to meet certain (current) criteria because of this, so I voted for one of the mastered tracks just the same.
 
The tracks aren't equal loudness-wise and I had to adjust the volume on each track to get a similar sound for comparison.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 19:39:45 (permalink)
I like #3 the best.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 20:10:58 (permalink)
This is a great idea and I'm very curious to see the "winner". They all have very different characteristics.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 20:52:09 (permalink)
I like the pre master the best also. LOL. Of the mastered versions it's a toss up between 2 and 4 for me. They both retain to character of the pre master and although they are not as loud I prefer to hear the dynamics.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 21:05:16 (permalink)
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I like the pre master the best also. LOL. Of the mastered versions it's a toss up between 2 and 4 for me. They both retain to character of the pre master and although they are not as loud I prefer to hear the dynamics.



If we're unveiling our choices, I picked 4.  It was the most laid-back of the bunch, but had to be turned up to match the others.  The others were too much in my face in various ways.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 21:38:58 (permalink)
If we discuss our preferences here too much, won't it influence the outcome ?

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 21:43:40 (permalink)
#4
 
The vocasl sound great with nice intelligibility.
 
 
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 21:46:49 (permalink)
As long as we're revealing choices (minor spoiler alert):
 
I liked 6 the best. 3 was a close second. 1 was too much in my face. 5 lost a bit of clarity. I'm guessing 2 and 4 are the LandR tracks, and I much preferred 4 over 2.
 
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 22:10:04 (permalink)
Ahh, ok, if we're ok to reveal, here's my feedback:

#1 - Nothing special. Lacks life.
#2 - Too punchy/poppy in the low-end and little life in the rest of the spectrum. Dry and Veiled.
#3 - The best master of the collection; although there's a bit much compression/limiting in the kick/bass area. It has life. Musical. I would guess this was the Professionally Mastered version.
#4 - Veiled. Better balance than #2, but still lacking a real life.
#5 - Closest to #3; musical and warm without being veiled. However a bit too compressed in comparison to #3.
#6 - Again, nothing special. More like #1, although slightly brighter.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/14 22:23:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/03/15 17:03:32
I came to take a blind test and it tests my hearing!?  
 
I pick #3

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 04:46:43 (permalink)
Good idea, and I don't want to sound awkward but 'sounds best' relative to what? Everyone has different musical tastes depending on a myriad of things.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 04:54:18 (permalink)
Interesting idea, will have a listen to these tonight.
 
But the "results" so far already indicate there's no such thing as a perfect master - there have been votes for #2, #3, #4 & #6 as being the "best".
 
It's all down to personal taste at the end of the day.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 05:18:18 (permalink)
It was a toss up between 3 and 5 for me, but I ultimately went with 5.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 05:40:32 (permalink)
Wouldn't the *worst* be interesting too (for obvious reasons)?
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 06:39:49 (permalink)
Excellent idea!
 
Done.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 09:42:38 (permalink)
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Wouldn't the *worst* be interesting too (for obvious reasons)?


Yeah, what's interesting about this, is there will be winners and losers, and I'd hope for the sake of the NYC Mastering Engineer, his/her master wins. If that's not the case, it may make him/her look bad when compared to the 3 non-professional masters, and the 2 that were submitted to LANDR.

For me, if I could download the unmastered version, I'd like to compete with what's been done here.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 09:42:49 (permalink)
I will only say that some of you all so far have decided that I'm right in my choice.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 10:00:52 (permalink)
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Good idea, and I don't want to sound awkward but 'sounds best' relative to what? Everyone has different musical tastes depending on a myriad of things.



Not awkward at all, because it brings up a point that a lot of people have overlooked in the LANDR threads. There are many valid ways to master a song, depending on the artist's vision and the target audience. 

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 10:26:54 (permalink)
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Yeah, what's interesting about this, is there will be winners and losers, and I'd hope for the sake of the NYC Mastering Engineer, his/her master wins.



It depends on which criteria s/he is mastering to.  If it's loudness at all costs, there are sacrifices to be made that will turn off those of us who prefer clarity, space and dynamic range.  But mastering for these and will cause some to say the song lacks thickness and punch.
 
Some of the tracks were pretty rough on the ears.  And what is that awful noise at the very beginning ?  Kind of turned me off the song before I'd heard anything else.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 11:09:24 (permalink)
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Yeah, what's interesting about this, is there will be winners and losers, and I'd hope for the sake of the NYC Mastering Engineer, his/her master wins.



It depends on which criteria s/he is mastering to.



Very true. However, with the genre this falls into, the compression on the kick, coupled with the NYC Mastering, one might assume this was meant for radio airplay. That being the case, I would offer it needs to be loud. If the kick is too punchy it will pump the radio station limiters too much and offer a pretty weak 80's style broadcast.

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 12:11:04 (permalink)
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I like #3 the best.




Me too, even though a recent hearing test showed that I no longer have "Hi-Fi" hearing. Be interesting to see the results.
 
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 14:36:13 (permalink)
# 3 here too, with 6 and 5 following behind.   # 2 and 4 seemed to lose some of their transient attack/punch compared to the others. 
 
Of course, if I were to listen to the same tracks a week from now my preferences could be different, as could my listening environment.  

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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 16:44:35 (permalink)
The problem is not with the mastering, it is with the song itself. It is so boring that I could not listen all the versions.
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 18:07:15 (permalink)
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The problem is not with the mastering, it is with the song itself. It is so boring that I could not listen all the versions.


I decided to only compare that "Into".
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Re: Take Our Blind Mastering "Taste-Test" 2016/03/15 18:27:54 (permalink)
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The problem is not with the mastering, it is with the song itself. It is so boring that I could not listen all the versions.

Excellent reason to NOT be a professional mixing or mastering engineer. Tough to turn down paying business just because you don't like a potential client's material. Even worse, turn down paying business from an existing client because you don't like the new material. 'Like' has nothing to do with paying the bills. Better off to be neutral, anyway.

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