Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
[ This is more for a developer audience but it thought it might be of interest to some SONAR users as well] A heads up for anyone attending the Microsoft Build conference in Seattle this year. Cakewalk and Microsoft are doing a tech talk demonstrating how Win32 applications can take advantage of some of the advancements on the Windows 10 platform. This is the only presentation at Build that focuses on media, audio and MIDI. There are two tech talks scheduled, on Thursday 5/11 2:30PM (Tech Talk C room) and Friday 5/12 10:30AM (Tech Talk C room). In the tech talks we’ll cover topics such as: - UWP MIDI API with a hands on demo of how to integrate the UWP Win32 wrapper with a Win32 application
- Bluetooth LE MIDI
- Windows 10 WASAPI low latency audio support
- Multi-Touch and Pen support
- UWP desktop bridge
At the talks we’ll be doing a live debug session of SONAR showing code integrating UWP MIDI. I may convince Pete Brown from Microsoft to jam on a Bluetooth MIDI controller with SONAR in that session, and we'll trace the life cycle of a MIDI note which should be fun :) On Friday between 12 and 3pm, we’re also doing a 3 hour “Solutions Spotlight” which will be a more open format permitting discussion with participants about the topics we’re presenting. If you’re going to be at Build please stop by or if you know someone attending please let them know about these sessions. The full builds session agenda can be found here as well: https://mybuild.microsoft.com/sessions ============== T6100-R1, T6100-R2 Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10 1. Speaker(s): Noel Borthwick; Pete Brown 2. Session Type: Tech Talk 3. Technology & Topic: Desktop Bridge, Media, Universal Windows Platform (UWP) 4. Abstract: Cakewalk Sonar is a top music creation and production application for Windows. In this session, learn about the audio, bluetooth, MIDI, and other features Cakewalk has used to light up on Windows 10 from their traditional Win32 app. 5. Session Level: 300 - Experienced The full agenda for this conference can be found here. https://mybuild.microsoft.com/sessions
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 15:11:03
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hopefully someone from Cakewalk will take some video and post it to you tube. I would love to see it. However, living in Boston.. Seattle is on the other side of the states and is impossible for me to get to. Possibly Malcom butler can help me (dig..dig)  .
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 15:16:32
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I won't be attending the conference, but if you're going to be in town for a few days I'd love to buy you a Starbucks and shoot the sh*t for a bit.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 15:40:44
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Schedule is likely busy most days but I might be somewhat free today (on the way there). PM me and we can try and meet up.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 15:41:55
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chuckebaby
hopefully someone from Cakewalk will take some video and post it to you tube.
I would love to see it. However, living in Boston.. Seattle is on the other side of the states and is impossible for me to get to. Possibly Malcom butler can help me (dig..dig) .
I'm the only one from Cakewalk there :) However Microsoft is likely filming the tech session and it may be posted on their Channel 9 site later.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 17:06:18
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If it features on Channel 9, I'd be interested in a link.
I'm based in the UK, so I can't make Build. However I'm a traditional .NET developer, so I do have an interest.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 18:28:57
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Interesting, thanks. Have a blast, Noel!
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/09 18:59:05
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/10 03:32:14
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☄ Helpfulby maximumpower 2017/05/10 10:55:12
I know there are a few fellow bit-flippers among the forum members here. I suspect it'll only be you guys who can fully appreciate the brave thing that Noel's about to do: single-step SONAR code in front of a live audience of world-class bit jockeys. That takes supreme confidence in your code. And balls.
The reason Noel got invited by Microsoft is that SONAR is the only company out there on the bleeding edge of Windows 10's new audio paradigm. We are all trail-blazers and don't even know it, because for all our nit-picky gripes for the most part SONAR just works.
Noel thinks Microsoft will likely be taping the presentation, so with any luck we'll all get to see it at some point.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/10 13:49:01
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I've been to a few of those Microsoft events before but passed this one up. If I had been going via work then I would be for the wrong reasons, lol.
Good luck Noel! Should be a good day of nerdy-ness
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/10 13:58:58
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/10 18:03:09
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Yes. Well, the UWP part. Some cool stuff coming to SONAR this year...
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/10 19:23:31
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/11 14:05:21
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Good luck, Noel. I know you will do great!
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 15:08:44
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bitflipper
I know there are a few fellow bit-flippers among the forum members here. I suspect it'll only be you guys who can fully appreciate the brave thing that Noel's about to do: single-step SONAR code in front of a live audience of world-class bit jockeys. That takes supreme confidence in your code. And balls.
The reason Noel got invited by Microsoft is that SONAR is the only company out there on the bleeding edge of Windows 10's new audio paradigm. We are all trail-blazers and don't even know it, because for all our nit-picky gripes for the most part SONAR just works.
Noel thinks Microsoft will likely be taping the presentation, so with any luck we'll all get to see it at some point.
I really enjoyed meeting you and hanging out Dave, and thanks for making the trip to downtown Seattle and braving the traffic :) The first session was a little nerve wracking since I was running everything on just my surface pro with bluetooth, in a space where there were literally thousands of people with phones and other BT devices. On top of that I was running an alpha build of the 05 release. I like to live dangerously :) Fortunately everything went really smooth - BT MIDI performed flawlessly and I was able to connect from onstage and run at a latency of less than 10 msec. It was very responsive. Pete let some people in the audience try playing the keyboard (a Korg Nanostudio) and everyone was impressed with how responsive playback was even like 20 feet away from the stage. Later in the solutions spotlight session I additionally paired the Jamstik controller and it showed up as a second MIDI device Both the keyboard and Jamstik were able to trigger different tracks without a problem. The second talk from Friday is now live on channel 9 here: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2017/T6100-R2
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 18:17:57
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bitflipper
I know there are a few fellow bit-flippers among the forum members here. I suspect it'll only be you guys who can fully appreciate the brave thing that Noel's about to do: single-step SONAR code in front of a live audience of world-class bit jockeys. That takes supreme confidence in your code. And balls.
The reason Noel got invited by Microsoft is that SONAR is the only company out there on the bleeding edge of Windows 10's new audio paradigm. We are all trail-blazers and don't even know it, because for all our nit-picky gripes for the most part SONAR just works.
Noel thinks Microsoft will likely be taping the presentation, so with any luck we'll all get to see it at some point.
I think Cakewalk has been doing this for a long time. When 64 bit started Cakewalk was on top of it. I don't freak out when a new OS is out wondering if Cakewalk hasn't dealt with it.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 20:44:50
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great to read this about Noel and Cakewalk, thanks for sharing.
looking forward to upgrading from X3/Windows 7 once Thunderbolt 3 technology is fully functional.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 21:44:24
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I really enjoyed meeting you and hanging out Dave, and thanks for making the trip to downtown Seattle and braving the traffic :)
I'm a musician, Noel. We will endure a great deal when someone else is buying supper! Seattle weather was unusually cooperative that day as we enjoyed a particularly Northwest-flavored afternoon of salmon and Starbucks, all while geeking out like the nerds we are. I have historically not been a fan of pen-based data entry, so I'll have to try it out for myself before I am truly convinced it's the future of PRV programming. But Noel talks about it with such enthusiasm - and he's a guitarist, not a drop-in-the-dots MIDI guy - that I'm inclined to believe him when he says he's having a blast with it. Equally intriguing is this Dial thing. All you guys who love analog synths for their knobs are gonna love this. Imagine all the benefits of low-cost soft synths combined with the tactile feel of real knobs. Yes, real knobs and no MIDI-learn. All I know about it at this point is what Noel told me while we were walking down Pike Street and avoiding being run over by rush-hour traffic, but from his description I gather that you just drop a knob onto a touch screen and go. I may have to get a Surface Pro before the year is out.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 22:16:27
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 23:33:59
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Yeah, I've been looking at touchscreen monitors lately, hoping to find a reasonably-priced small one to mount on a stand for stage use. But most are as expensive as a laptop!
What would be really cool is an app that would let me use my Android tablet as a touch interface to my laptop over USB. Then I could stash the laptop anywhere and not have it taking up valuable stage real estate.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/13 23:36:35
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There's more of Noel's presentation here. If you can't get it to play, select MP4 and click the Download button. Did you know that Cakewalk is 30 years old this month? Just found that out from the video.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 01:03:33
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 01:10:42
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UWP will be the end of our world as we've known it for decades.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 01:12:14
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UWP will be the end of our world as we know it.
Nope. It will never replace x86 win32. It may augment it, though ...
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 01:23:29
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Yeah... oops! Thanks, fixed now ...
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 12:16:44
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abacab, thanks for the Dell link. That does indeed look promising for $230. It might even come down a little by the time CW is ready to release Dial support.
Now could you please find me one that's 10" or less that can mount to a mic boom?
And yes, you're right: Win32 isn't going away in our lifetimes.
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 17:30:19
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bitflipper
There's more of Noel's presentation here. If you can't get it to play, select MP4 and click the Download button.
Did you know that Cakewalk is 30 years old this month? Just found that out from the video.
Thanks for the video links Dave. My, how time flies when you're having fun!
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Re: Tech Talk - Cakewalk SONAR: Win32 lighting up on Windows 10
2017/05/14 18:22:35
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bitflipper
What would be really cool is an app that would let me use my Android tablet as a touch interface to my laptop over USB. Then I could stash the laptop anywhere and not have it taking up valuable stage real estate.
I believe Splashtop x-display does this. https://support-xdisplay....-using-Wired-XDisplay-I've used Splashtop before via wifi. Intend to try this out myself
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