Tempo change/project setup Two Question's

  Hi I am using Sonarx1 Producer 32bit. First Question: I have a project with an Intro set at tempo 50bpm. I like the intro and would like to keep it as well as the tempo it is at. I setup a new audio track for yet another guitar with its own buss. I would like this Electric Guitar Track to be at 140BPM. but every time I change the tempo Sonar X1 also applies this change to the Intro (50bpm) that I said I wanted to keep. my question is.. How do I keep the intro guitars tempo and apply a new tempo to a new track and at the same time keep the intro's tempo stability. Second Question: "example" ( I start SonarX1., it loads, it opens, I am prompted to either open a Project,Open a Recent Project,Create a New Project,Online video's and more (USELESS),and Getting started. I select "open a new project" there I have many options including.Play list set,16 track audio, 24 track audio,Accessibility,Acid Techno,Electronic,Matrix,Normal,Rock,Surround -5.1 - 7.1, Surround Quad)..I select normal. I then delete Audio track,midi track, master and metronome. I then insert up to 5 Audio tracks and 5 Busses = 1 Buss for each Audio Track...(based on video tutorials by MCIhomestudio's advise) is this correct? I selected Rock but I don't understand if that's what I really should be using. I am a Guitar player. I do not use keyboards such as Synthesizers or Piano's. Only Guitar. I would like to use Session Drummer but I as a Guitar player am unsure of the proper way to set up projects for Guitar use only _no Vocals Just guitar and session Drummer. I use a Digitech RP1000 for all my sounds. I am having a hard time because Youtube is a wealth of Information but it Seriously Lacks Anyone that Plays Guitar Only and Shows Tutorials on Sonar - How to guitar..not one person does Sonar and guitar working together tutorial videos. everyone uses Keyboards. and that drives me nuts.

You need to think about why you're routing every guitar track to it's own buss.

Whilst you can do this, it's not really the point of busses, so what are the reasons behind this?

I'm not saying it's wrong, just unusual

FastBikerBoy

musterion942


Hi I am using Sonarx1 Producer 32bit. First Question: I have a project with an Intro set at tempo 50bpm. I like the intro and would like to keep it as well as the tempo it is at. I setup a new audio track for yet another guitar with its own buss. I would like this Electric Guitar Track to be at 140BPM. but every time I change the tempo Sonar X1 also applies this change to the Intro (50bpm) that I said I wanted to keep. my question is.. How do I keep the intro guitars tempo and apply a new tempo to a new track and at the same time keep the intro's tempo stability.

You need to move the now time to where you want the tempo change to happen and then insert the tempo change there. Make sure that you select the "Insert new tempo" option in the insert tempo dialogue or it will change the original.

Second Question: "example" ( I start SonarX1., it loads, it opens, I am prompted to either open a Project,Open a Recent Project,Create a New Project,Online video's and more (USELESS),and Getting started. I select "open a new project" there I have many options including.Play list set,16 track audio, 24 track audio,Accessibility,Acid Techno,Electronic,Matrix,Normal,Rock,Surround -5.1 - 7.1, Surround Quad)..I select normal. I then delete Audio track,midi track, master and metronome. I then insert up to 5 Audio tracks and 5 Busses = 1 Buss for each Audio Track...(based on video tutorials by MCIhomestudio's advise) is this correct? I selected Rock but I don't understand if that's what I really should be using. I am a Guitar player. I do not use keyboards such as Synthesizers or Piano's. Only Guitar. I would like to use Session Drummer but I as a Guitar player am unsure of the proper way to set up projects for Guitar use only _no Vocals Just guitar and session Drummer. I use a Digitech RP1000 for all my sounds. I am having a hard time because Youtube is a wealth of Information but it Seriously Lacks Anyone that Plays Guitar Only and Shows Tutorials on Sonar - How to guitar..not one person does Sonar and guitar working together tutorial videos. everyone uses Keyboards. and that drives me nuts.

The choices you see are "Templates" that are pre-configured. You can create your own and save them. If you just want to record guitar, all you need to do is insert an audio track and select the input for that track to whichever input your guitar is coming in on. That might be direct so you can use one of the guitar amp sims or a DI from an amp or Mic'd cab. Have a look at the recording audio tutorials in the help file. REcording audio is pretty much the same whether it's a guitar, vocals, or drum mics. Select input,set levels and record.

Hi FBB - if I read the oringal post correctly, the OP is attempting to have one track play at one tempo, and have a separate track at the same time playing at a different tempo.  Per my posted reasons above, I do not think Sonar supports that functionality.


Bob Bone

Per track tempo - who are you? Zappa?

Seriously - unless you're extremely accomplished this can only result in cacophony.

It's great to experiment, but would the result be musical?

Apologies - there are additional sub-meters happening within the Gentle Giant tune, above and beyond the others.

Bob Bone

Does any DAW support 2 different meters at the same time?

And wow Bob, that youtube vid rocks..progressively!

I would really appreciate that Bob - your tastes echo quite closely.

Well, you might or might not have seen this before, 

http://www.youtube.com/wa...8bpb4&feature=fvwp

Your comments about the Gentle giant song reminds me of reading about Zappa commenting on the time signature of Keep It Greasy from Joe's Garage - I mean it's all over the place!! He reckoned the beats all came together about once a month.

SuperG

Shambler


Does any DAW support 2 different meters at the same time?

And wow Bob, that youtube vid rocks..progressively!

It's doable - but man, what a lotta work for what would be a obscure, little used feature. As long as as a system uses a master clock, you can convert individual tempos into that clock and out the port. Not a whole lot a bang for the investment buck, though. Then again, these days anyway, 'coolness' does have it's value....

It certainly would not remain little used me.  I have all kinds of such compositions sitting around in my head.  I will end up getting recorded, I think I can, by using one predominant meter, and then the notes for all alternate-metered tracks would just line up hither wither in wrong measures, but I suppose they would all playback OK.


There is a thriving love of prog rock for folks in the 50+ age category, who lived and breathed this kind of music - and many still do.  There are all kinds of internet prog stations playing prog music 24x7.  I helped build the audio streaming radio station innards for one such station: www.houseofprog.com


Any time Jean Luc Ponty comes to the DC metro area, he stills out.


What I would give anything for at this point in my life would be to put together a band that could go out and not care about the gig money, but be able to rip out Karn Evil 9, Supper's Ready, Just the Same, Enigmatic Ocean, and Pirates.  If ANYONE in this forum is like minded, by ALL means lets PM our way through the logistics.


It KILLS me to be able to play ELP and Yes, but have to gig playing Mustang Sally - just can't find the musicians to do what I am looking to do.  I believe there is a thriving hungry population of prog-minded folks who would like to go see some band play Roundabout and And You and I live.


Bob Bone

Here are two covers of the same tune, from UK, In the Dead of Night.

The first one is the real tune, with me playing along live with the tune.  I have my keys a little bit higher than the recording's originals, so that you can hear me in the mix better.  VERY cool tune -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbHGkB4od6c

And here is the one I am currently working up - raw tracks, and there is no guitar tracks or vocals yet, and there is a glitch in the first chorus, but still a cool tune -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP2PIiSDsUw

I am currently also recording an all-midi version of Bruford's Fainting in Coils here is the link to the original tune - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpwmFeW5MPs

Bob Bone

JB - please detail again for me how you were able to accomplish this.  It's like 2 am and my brain went to bed some time ago.

If indeed I can do this, then I am going to GO TO TOWN with getting a whole bunch of really kewl tunes recorded.

I normally abnormally use sometime 2 or 3 different meters, so if you could just tell me how to do 2, I would be SO forever grateful.

Bob Bone

At the risk of stating the obvious, you can do what you want on Sonar or pretty much any other DAW, but you have to be willing to bounce MIDI tracks to audio as you go.  An audio clip is not affected by the tempo map.
 
There's only one tempo map and it will control the all MIDI playback but not the audio clips (yes, there are groove clips that will respond to tempo, but let's ignore that ... I don't know a whole lot about using them anyway).

  keeping tempo is not the problem. my problem is how ever. one intro guitar at 50bpm faded out to nothing, then on track #2 sneaks in Distorted Guitar and will be at 140bpm. and I bounce the into track and then attempt to apply new tempo and it changes the intro tempo to 140bpm. it will not allow me to change each individual audio track tempo..I watched a Video on protools and it is possible to tempo change each track separately.. maybe this is another reason Protools in the Industry standard.

  I Have this Music in my head and on separate projects that are as creative as Zappa, Zappa is a Major Contributor to my Love of Music and Composition, I am a Satriani fan as well as a Fan of Malmsteen, Johnson,Vai, Balducci, and a boat load more. this song is obscure and as complex as Zappa's Orchestrated Compositions. but I am seeing that what I wish to do is not possible. so perhaps this could one day be a possibility for cakewalk to have this function. "who am I Zappa" I take that as a Compliment. I wish I could have met him.

  so no need to have a separate bus for each audio track? just one bus. for 5 guitar's? How would I control levels on each guitar if they are all on one Bus?