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2017/10/31 20:38:37 (permalink)

Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan

I'm at the scene right now, cycled past and wondered what the furor was and apparently some savage barbarian has mowed down a bunch of cyclists and then started shooting. I'll stop there before I break the TOS.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:41:05 (permalink)
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:43:37 (permalink)

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:44:14 (permalink)
BBC News are saying police have the guy in custody. Hope no-one's badly hurt.

 
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:47:37 (permalink)
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:48:37 (permalink)
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BBC News are saying police have the guy in custody. Hope no-one's badly hurt.




Oh. Disregard my last post, sharke.
 
 
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:55:58 (permalink)
Yep I think six dead at this point.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:57:27 (permalink)
That's what I'm seeing now.

 
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 20:59:18 (permalink)
Was a terrorist or a nutcase with road rage?

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 21:09:19 (permalink)
Our melting pot is boiling.
 
Sad news indeed.
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 21:12:53 (permalink)
He was yelling the usual Allah Ackbar apparently.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 21:13:20 (permalink)
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 21:15:18 (permalink)
Guns were (as of that article) fake but he jumped out and pointed them at the cops and thus got shot (edit: not dead... I told ya'll I can READING).
 
Sounds like attempted suicide by cop, really.
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 22:14:47 (permalink)
Terrorist named as Sayfullo Saipov, who lived in Florida and was an Uzbek national. The religion of pieces is the dominant religion in Uzbekistan, and he was yelling Allah Ackbar after mowing people down in a rented truck. All of these Islamic terrorists are suicidal, that's part of the glory they perceive. So I'm going with garden-variety Islamic terrorist attack at this point. 

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 22:15:52 (permalink)
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Our melting pot is boiling.

 
This trend is becoming the norm.  Sickening.  Glad they caught the ******.
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/10/31 22:21:23 (permalink)
Well at least it wasn't a cop... this time.
 
I can make generalizations too.
 
Seriously though... this guy sucks.
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 00:24:03 (permalink)
 
(Terror attacks are) "part and parcel of living in a big city"
    ~ London mayor Sadiq Khan (2016)



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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 00:42:09 (permalink)
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(Terror attacks are) "part and parcel of living in a big city"
    ~ London mayor Sadiq Khan (2016)



The enemy whose name we dare not speak.
 
I despair.
 




Soooo... what's up with the parentheses there? Did he actually say that entire sentence or... yanno.
 
Either way, yes. Living in a city is ridiculously dangerous. Out of all the dangerous crap I went through in the city terrorism was at the absolute bottom of my list of things I was worried about. Like of any kind.
 
Seems to me that if every scary moozlim on the planet was out to kill us all a whole lot more of us would be dead now.
 
It's almost as if it's more about psychotic murderous arseholes than anything else.
 
/is totally racist against murderous arseholes
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 00:47:23 (permalink)
Most serial killers in North America (and Europe) are weird white guys.
 
Therefore every CH regular is a serial killer.
 
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 01:11:27 (permalink)
Sharke, Glad you are well.  I know you like to bike alot.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 01:15:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/01 01:30:09
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(Terror attacks are) "part and parcel of living in a big city"
    ~ London mayor Sadiq Khan (2016)



The enemy whose name we dare not speak.
 
I despair.
 




Soooo... what's up with the parentheses there? Did he actually say that entire sentence or... yanno.
 
Either way, yes. Living in a city is ridiculously dangerous. Out of all the dangerous crap I went through in the city terrorism was at the absolute bottom of my list of things I was worried about. Like of any kind.
 
Seems to me that if every scary moozlim on the planet was out to kill us all a whole lot more of us would be dead now.
 
It's almost as if it's more about psychotic murderous arseholes than anything else.
 
/is totally racist against murderous arseholes





 
To be honest though, if you live in a major city like Paris, London or NY, it's never far from the back of your mind given how desperate the terrorists are to attack such significant targets and given how active they have been over the last few years. I have a friend on the Cape who is always rolling out the "the terrorists have won if you're afraid" line, but he lives on a perfectly delightful little island with quaint wooden houses, not a seething metropolis that is probably part of at least one extremist's terror plans at any given time. Try taking the subway in New York at rush hour when everyone's squeezed in tight. You're looking around, weighing people up, and (yes) profiling like crazy. It doesn't make your life come to a halt, but anyone who finds themselves in large vulnerable crowds at rush hour in locations which are wildly popular with terrorists is lying if they tell you the thought never crosses their minds. 
 
A few years ago Pew did a major study into attitudes across the Islamic world, and what they found was that support for things like suicide bombings is very widespread. It doesn't really matter that a tiny minority are actual terrorists - this support (moral, religious, financial) is every bit as dangerous. A "tiny minority of extremists" in my mind is a fraction of one percent of the population, 1 in 10,000, something like that. According to Pew, support for these attacks across the Islamic world ranges from 5% - 30% depending on the country. That's not a tiny minority of extremists, that's literally hundreds of millions of people. 

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 01:16:54 (permalink)
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Sharke, Glad you are well.  I know you like to bike alot.




Yes thanks I do! And it didn't help that some of the crumpled bikes I saw in the photos were the blue CitiBike bike share bicycles, which I ride every day. That kind of brought it home. 

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 01:57:51 (permalink)
Wait... 5-30% of the muslim "world" thinks violent acts are okay?
 
Seems kinda low actually because I'd expect at least 30% of ANY group would be "theoretically" okay with blowing people up for what they believe in.
 
 
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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 02:20:21 (permalink)
Such sad news indeed.  Prayers for the victims, and their families.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 08:48:50 (permalink)
Just waking up to this terrible news now... I am glad to hear that you, James, at least, is okay.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 09:24:44 (permalink)
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Wait... 5-30% of the muslim "world" thinks violent acts are okay?
 
Seems kinda low actually because I'd expect at least 30% of ANY group would be "theoretically" okay with blowing people up for what they believe in.
 



Doesn't look like an alarming percentage to me either, especially because the wide span makes it sort of meaningless. 5% and 30% are very far from eachother! Most of them are like the non-muslim American or European bitter dropouts, anyway. " Everything stinks, these and those should be hanged/shot/whatever." 
A religious peasant saying "If the Koran says it's ok, what am I to say it isn't?" is still a long way from active support to terrorism. I still think that often mentally unstable people just glorify their suicidal deeds camouflaging it as terrorism.
I think it was somewhere around 30 %  in that survey among US farmers in the 60's. That's how many of them thought it would be OK to shoot all hippies and long haired radicals.

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 11:09:39 (permalink)
Glad to hear your ok James. Sadly, staying within their agenda, this sort of thing is going to be more and more common.  

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 12:58:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/11/01 18:04:25
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A few years ago Pew did a major study into attitudes across the Islamic world, and what they found was that support for things like suicide bombings is very widespread. It doesn't really matter that a tiny minority are actual terrorists - this support (moral, religious, financial) is every bit as dangerous. A "tiny minority of extremists" in my mind is a fraction of one percent of the population, 1 in 10,000, something like that. According to Pew, support for these attacks across the Islamic world ranges from 5% - 30% depending on the country. That's not a tiny minority of extremists, that's literally hundreds of millions of people. 


 
One of the things I used to love to do on Facebook was re-write a news story swapping races, religions, events, whatever, and see how folks responded.  I learned the obvious...that people decide about something emotionally, and then search intellectually to justify it.  We tend to work backwards.  This Pew study is a cool one. 
 
Change the context from terrorism to simple racism and watch how flippancy changes to earnest.  If Pew researched and found that 5% to 30% of white folks, depending on which state, were prejudiced against black folks while not acting on it, just simply supporting white supremacy events and news, you will get....an interesting reaction...that won't quite match the dismissive tone of religious extremism.  Yet, racism is not murder.  
 
Don't read too much into this.  I used to argue this stuff all the time before I realized that no one is using logic to guide their conclusions, only to argue them.  I find that kind of fascinating, if not depressing.  I really thought what I believed was logical - but I'm just an emotional hack like everybody else.
 
 

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 15:06:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/11/01 19:16:27
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A few years ago Pew did a major study into attitudes across the Islamic world, and what they found was that support for things like suicide bombings is very widespread. It doesn't really matter that a tiny minority are actual terrorists - this support (moral, religious, financial) is every bit as dangerous. A "tiny minority of extremists" in my mind is a fraction of one percent of the population, 1 in 10,000, something like that. According to Pew, support for these attacks across the Islamic world ranges from 5% - 30% depending on the country. That's not a tiny minority of extremists, that's literally hundreds of millions of people. 


 
One of the things I used to love to do on Facebook was re-write a news story swapping races, religions, events, whatever, and see how folks responded.  I learned the obvious...that people decide about something emotionally, and then search intellectually to justify it.  We tend to work backwards.  This Pew study is a cool one. 
 
Change the context from terrorism to simple racism and watch how flippancy changes to earnest.  If Pew researched and found that 5% to 30% of white folks, depending on which state, were prejudiced against black folks while not acting on it, just simply supporting white supremacy events and news, you will get....an interesting reaction...that won't quite match the dismissive tone of religious extremism.  Yet, racism is not murder.  
 
Don't read too much into this.  I used to argue this stuff all the time before I realized that no one is using logic to guide their conclusions, only to argue them.  I find that kind of fascinating, if not depressing.  I really thought what I believed was logical - but I'm just an emotional hack like everybody else.

 
If there was a concerted effort by a group of white supremacist terrorists to massacre black people in terrorist attacks, and it was found that between 5 and 30% of white people supported these attacks, I can guarantee you that would be a very shocking finding indeed that would trigger an avalanche of outrage and soul searching.
 
Similarly, if you did a survey and found that between 5-30% of Americans supported Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma bombing, it would be a complete shocker which would force everyone to reevaluate their perception of the American public. People saying 5% is not significant - that's nonsense, 5% of a billion is a very significant number, and it's even a significant proportion. 30% is huge. The point is that when you have such large numbers expressing support for terrorism, that's an environment in which extremism will find it easy to spread. 
 

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Re: Terrorist attack downtown Manhattan 2017/11/01 15:12:52 (permalink)
How many people in the US supported the various wars in the middle east over the past nearly 20 years?
 
I mean... you do realize you're at war, right?
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