Guyunique
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The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
Hey everyone, what's your thought on the BBE Sonic Maximizer plug-in? How do you use it? Is it worth it? I know it's a quick fix but to me it makes the music sound over processed if not used with caution and it also sounds cheap. Your thoughts. Patrick.........Minnesota
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jmcelroy
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 14:06:20
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I've never used the plugin, but I used to have the outboard box and I really loved it. I'd be interested to know how the plugin stands up. I only used it on drums, with a little on synth *sometimes*, but I found it had a way of tightening up the drum kit if it was used sparingly. I've been wanting to get that functionality back without having to use any outboard gear.
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Guyunique
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 14:15:43
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I think the key is to use just a little bit as to not make your mix sound over processed but I have never used the hardware version so I couldn't tell you. Patrick.....Minnesota
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gonzo_dog
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 14:34:05
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I use it sparingly, but always, on the master bus of my tracks
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mildew
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 14:54:30
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sparingly but always on the master (set at 1-3 for both bass and treble) m
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losguy
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 15:04:40
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Have the hardware box for live work, but to be applied very sparingly if at all. For plugins, the new kid on the block for enhancement is Crysonic SpectraLive. Edit: Added link
post edited by losguy - 2005/12/03 15:05:31
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attalus
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 15:47:40
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It's not the greatest to me, but it is very good and quite one of a kind. Nothing seems to thicken out audio quite like bbe sonicmaximizer. And to me it is very good with string instruments. on a whole mix it's best to use sparingly usually from my experience.and then you may want to eq afterwards!
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glazfolk
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 15:51:18
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Sorry guys, but this plug-in is number one on my list of "Software I Wish I'd Never Bought". It almost invariably sounmds harsh and abrasive to my ears, no matter what I do. I think I've actually used it twice in maybe 3 or 4 years.
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Dave Modisette
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 15:55:21
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I only use it to fix tracks that need what it has to offer. ie. Kicks that are a bit thin. Bass that needs a bit more bottom. Or when I need to synthesize some high frequencies for a dull sounding track. I haven't used an exciter on an output buss in years.
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b3gsus@msn.com
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 16:52:54
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I have a Peavey Kosmos in my Studio that can add some very tight punch if applied correctly but I've also wondered about the plugin & how it works... Judging by Geoff's response, I'd not likely try it but the Kosmos is very cool when working in a live situation. Wildman
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 17:41:12
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Sound engineers of Michael Jackson use it = I use it too. But not for everything, most for drums and vocals.
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glazfolk
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 17:46:28
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ORIGINAL: b3gsus@msn.com I have a Peavey Kosmos in my Studio that can add some very tight punch if applied correctly but I've also wondered about the plugin & how it works... Judging by Geoff's response, I'd not likely try it but the Kosmos is very cool when working in a live situation. Wildman Nick .. on reflection I think I should expand on my earlier grumpy and somewhat dismissive comments. 95% of what I record is acoustic music - country, blues, bluegrass, folk, etc. That's what I specialise in. For this niche, I have never found a real use for Sonic Maxiniser. For other things, it might be the ant's pants ..... Best Geoff
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WhyBe
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 18:23:05
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I have the plugin and owned the hardware once upon a time. Plugin is almost an exact replica of the hardware. It's not my favorite enhancer/exciter because you can't control anything except the amount of enhancement. And there is a really small sweet spot (between 2-3) where anything higher is too harsh and lower is inaudible. The Lo Contour is nothing but a predefined eq curve. It's a useful plugin but should only cost about $30 not $99.
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Steve Mac
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 19:14:21
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Patrick: I've owned both the hardware and software, and like other posters, generally use it only on the main mix with sometimes two exceptions: (1) Electric guitars and hardware synths (haven't played much with the software synths yet!). I find, particularly with electric distorted guitars, that BBE can really make those tracks shine. With synths it can add some needed liveliness. Of course, it depends on what frequencies you have available in the overall mix; make sure you're not stepping on the frequency(ies) of other key instruments. Hope that helps.
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DroopyPawn
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/03 22:27:25
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I use it on stereo tracks that came from old cassettes. After noise reduction plugins, these tracks usually need some help getting fat again.
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TheFingers
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/04 02:15:55
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I've recently had a piano player insist I tell him how I got the killer piano sound... I'll never tell...judicious use of any plugin is the name of the game, and yes a little pricey. It doesn't synthesise highs however, it provides envelope correction. Thank goodness for the Lo Contour.
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spinlock_1977
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/07 08:24:45
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The mp3 demos on the web site are a disappointment. The "treated" part of the demo loop is louder than "untreated" part, which of course sounds "better" to the human ear. If your do a little fader riding you can almost get a true A/B comparison, but it's tough. If someone could post a true A/B comparison mp3 of this plug it would be very helpful.
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mildew
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/07 08:46:13
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imo bbe is like a microscope for audio. it just makes everything clearer - gives the instruments more separation, makes the quiet sounds less obscured by the loud sounds. i have heard of 2 golden rules for bbe - 1. only one stage of bbe is allowed (cant bbe anythings thats allready bbe'd) 2. if you have it on the output buss, then dont turn the treble boost above 3:) m
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/07 10:10:46
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Sorry guys, but this plug-in is number one on my list of "Software I Wish I'd Never Bought". It almost invariably sounmds harsh and abrasive to my ears, no matter what I do. I think I've actually used it twice in maybe 3 or 4 years. I don't have the BBE plug-in, but I have the outboard unit in my live performance rack. I belive it's currently *bypassed*. Before I was mixing in the DAW I used it, but found it too harsh. Invariably, we would drop it. I have other exciter plug-ins. Every time I have tried using one, I end up *not* using one. I get better sounding results with EQ.
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palancar
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 00:43:20
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The BBE does wonderful things to the low frequencies; very useful for mastering in that regard. The high frequencies can get harsh quickly, so I tend to either shut them off or use *very* small amounts of high frequency processing.
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rallenjones
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 11:53:39
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I agree that BBE is rather harsh and I don't use it much. That Crysonic plug looks cool.
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b3gsus@msn.com
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 11:55:32
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Rallen, Cryosonic works pretty well but as always it's how you apply it which is the same using the BBE or the Kosmos I have... JMHO Wildman That Crysonic plug looks cool.
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 12:07:39
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ORIGINAL: DroopyPawn I use it on stereo tracks that came from old cassettes. After noise reduction plugins, these tracks usually need some help getting fat again. Yeah.. that's what I use it for, I got it for restoration work. I don't think I've ever used it on a "modern" recording, mainly for turd polishing.
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boten
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 12:12:53
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Sorry guys, but this plug-in is number one on my list of "Software I Wish I'd Never Bought Me too. Somebody wants it?. Mine is for sale.
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Jesse G
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 12:40:15
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There was a great article in either Computermusic magazine, or SOS magazine, I forget which one, and it has been a while since the article appeared. Well, they presented a great tutorial on how to use the BBE sonic Maximizer. SPARINGLY was the key word. I, the same as others here, use it to enhance bass, drum kicks, and even add it piano at times , I tend to use it more on the individual tracks but only after applying EQ. And as forum contributor MILDEW stated earlier, never BBE anything that's already been BBE'd Peace
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attalus
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 13:02:02
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bbe is one of the most used and popular exciters of all time, more used than any other i'm sure. Bbe has been used on countless pro commercial artists tracks that we all come to love from rock to pop.Many may not know it was on them tracks but i assure you it helped bring them out. You just have to know how to use it, i agree it is'nt the greatest plugin i've heard but it has a fattening ability unlike no other plugin i've heard. Check out the extremely long list of artists who have used it. http://www.bbesound.com/users/index.asp It is a powerful effect when used right, all these big named stars did not use it for nothing. I earlier refered to bbe as an exciter but actualy it is not, and bbe does not add anything to your audio when processing it.
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losguy
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 13:03:04
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ORIGINAL: Jesse G And as the MILDEW stated earlier, never BBE anything that's already been BBE'd ...right, unless you in fact need a sound that's harsh, nasal, crunchy, and obnoxious.
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 13:06:46
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Sorry guys, but this plug-in is number one on my list of "Software I Wish I'd Never Bought". It almost invariably sounmds harsh and abrasive to my ears, no matter what I do. I think I've actually used it twice in maybe 3 or 4 years. A former bandmate always insisted on using a hardware BBE (462, IIRC) in his signal chain. I hated that thing. The proverbial "suck knob". Maybe it was just pilot error, but it always added noise, made things a tad harsh, and had little other perceptible effect. A software plugin version I might like better, actually, since I have to imagine the pink noise "feature" would not have been carried through?
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 13:33:27
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RE: The BBE SONIC MAXIMIZER, do you use it?
2005/12/13 13:35:39
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