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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/08 10:11:09
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Thanks, chuck. I'd love to hear your stuff. You can send it to me directly if you want. Also if you want to collaborate on something I'd totally lay some tracks down for you. I'm gonna be pretty busy for the next month or so with boring life stuff but after that I should be in full production mode. As far as the drums... as I blearily woke up this morning (stupid neighbors stomping around upstairs... ugh) I realized that I probably should have gone right back into my drum mix before mixing down for mastering. I set the drum's EQs and compression first then drew out the rest of the mix to that which likely buried the drums a bit. The levels on the drums were all maxed out though so I'll have to turn everything else down I think to get any more meat out of them. Maybe I'll mess around with that today if I can get my brain in gear. Anyone know of some good online tuts or charts about EQing drums? I was just kind of winging it by ear and not really using any scientific production concepts. Pretty much how I approached this entire mix really. Oh and, chuck... those are BFD Eco drums using the free Rock Legends kit that came with it during the special this summer. Cheers and thanks again.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/08 15:57:15
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Very, very nice! I *so* wanted to bang my head on the desk, then I remembered it's made of glass!
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/08 16:31:21
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Heh heh. Broken glass makes the headbanging even more hardcore. \m/ Thanks for checking it out. This song, as I said, is likely going to get redone and tossed on album eventually. I'm planning on writing the whole album instrumentally like I've done with this at first then write some vocals afterward and rerecord it all again. It's tricky recording brand new material as opposed to playing songs with a band for a couple years then going into the studio so I can consider the first versions as my preproduction. Added bonus will be I can use the first versions as my beds if I get everything close to how I want the first time. Anyway... just rambling. Kind of bored right now because I've expended my physical limits for the day sorting through my junk and I'm feeling a little burnt out on that tune so I don't think I'm gonna mess with it tonight. Might play some video games or maybe start reading through more of the behemoth X2 manual. If anyone's got any more insights on the mix I'm still interested. I think this is actually the first time I've achieved successful separation of all the instruments thanks to the advice of the forum.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/08 19:02:14
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Great arrangement and playing Beepster! Add a little bump to the bass and drums and I think you're there.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/08 19:52:24
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Bless your black heart! Guitars ear candy! Drums not so much, not bad, great in context just needs an equally matching attack as the rest. Salute, you wield your dissonance with great elegance
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/08 21:08:18
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Man, I'm really happy you guys like the tune itself despite some of the production shortcomings. It's been quite a while since I've actually written anything. The last song I posted was kind of slapped together just so I had something to work with. I didn't exactly agonize TOO much over this one either but I did make an attempt to put some heart into it so it's great to hear that I can still create something that people enjoy. Gives me hope and purpose. I very much need that these days. Thanks guys.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/09 16:49:47
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Not my bag at all but I enjoyed it anyway - very good skills here.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/09 20:10:11
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/10 06:28:40
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Enjoyed the guitars very much. As mentioned earlier need more bass and drums.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/10 10:48:43
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cool arrangement... especially liked the beat change-ups... great work so far...
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/10 11:02:43
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Thanks, guys. Just taking a break from it for a while to reset my ears and mind before attempting to fix it up some more. I also want to try tweaking it using different speakers and headphones (just found my bag of various crappy consumer headphones). Hoping that will make it sound better on more systems because it sounds pretty muffled on my laptop. Cheers.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/15 18:57:52
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Great stuff Beepster! I got nothing to add to the comments on the mix. Sounds like TH2 performs well in this tune! I am just curious, do you have all your drums coming in on a stereo track and mess with the entire kit there? Or are you sending all your drums to individual tracks in Sonar for a full detailed mix? Anyway, here's just a small tip; when you've mastered mixing the drum kit, you should start looking at the velocity lanes in the MIDI track, especially for the hihat and ride. When they are hammered on at 127 all the way you get the machine gun effect which is destroying the authentic sound and also, it sounds not as good;) Small adjustments all the way to the velocity of the MIDI notes remedies this really, really well. Actually, I use Sonar's Velocity MIDI plugin for this a whole lot. And Groove Quantizing to mess up the timing just enough to have it sound more human. Look into it some time, you'll love it! So, the song it self, that is what matters, it's great! It's one bad ass metal tune and can't wait to hear you making stuff with vocals. However, the guitars speak nicely for themselves in this one and the shredding is, as the last time, right on the spot! Well done!
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/15 20:41:51
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Cool stuff. Some fine shredding in there, and other than the drums needing to be a bit more prominent, some nice production work too.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/15 22:52:57
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Epic "Boss Fight"! (Crazy stuff happening) or tearing up a course as Tony Hawk or Shaun White! Nice tone with the minor diminished chord riffs/motifs, Unfortunately, I'm with everyone else on the volume balancing! Other than that, nice work!
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/16 00:41:50
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Not my cup of tea, playing and the tone of the guitar are cool but the mix is awful. The drums are way to low. Peace Ben
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Beepster
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/17 11:17:14
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@ProjectM... Thanks, buddy. Yeah that hi hat is kind of annoying in retrospect. All the BFD tracks are separate and it was performed on my velocity sensitive padKontrol but I'm not quite used to playing on it yet. I also might have been a little heavy handed on it because the hi hats I used to use on my old acoustic kit were very stiff so I'd wail on them so it's likely out of habit. I haven't really taken much time working with the PRV yet so I didn't bother doing any tweaks that way. For this I'll probably just turn down the track's velocity knob. I tried some of the quantize and velocity options in Sonar but it threw everything WAY out of wack so I just kept doing live takes until it sounded in time with the music. I screwed up when I did the original beds to the click track (it drifted at certain points) so I couldn't even program it if I wanted to. Had to be done live. Anyway... sorry for the late reply (scatterbrained these days) and thanks for checking it out. I'll fix it up once I'm in my new space and repost. Cheers! @philz... Thanks, man. :-) @rus... Glad you liked it. It was kind of a weird one to write solos over because it kind of flip flops around the modes within the riffs. It kind of turned into a hybrid of Aeolian, Dorian and Phrygian while kind of using chromatics to transition. The solos for the fast part were all written as I went along but the outro was improvised (that took a ton of takes to get something passable due to the odd nature of the riff). It was an interesting adventure. Thanks for listening. @ben... Thanks for checking it out. Yeah, it's not exactly where I want it and I knew that but I'm still learning. Just gotta keep slugging away at this stuff to get more experience. Cheers.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/20 07:31:17
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I like it Beepster. I made it to the end. :-) Gave me some food for thought on my own jams. And my opinion on drums... doesn't have to be how everyone else does it. I heard a mix a while back where the snare was ALL high end and it was kinda cool. If it gets the vibe going for you, go with it. So, again, I made it to the end, and listened to another. 3 actually. I preferred beepster creep of the 3 on sound cloud I heard. It's more the type of thing I might try. Also the sounds varied more during the song. Several minutes of the same instruments can get mantra like. Beepster creep seemed to have more movement in it.
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Beepster
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/20 14:00:56
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Thanks, man. Yeah that other metal tune wasn't very inspired because I wrote it backwards. I had just bought BFD Eco and wanted to try slapping together some of the grooves using it's internal sequencer. Then I forced the song around that so it was a bit stifling creatively. This one was written my usual way with the riffs being mapped out first then the drums came after. That funky tune was another experiment which I did the first week after buying Sonar so I really didn't know what I was doing and it's WAY different than my usual style. It was fun though. I'd like to get really good at that kind of thing to see if I can snag some TV/film work. I was kind of going for something you'd hear at the start of a TV show. Cheers.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/22 22:12:53
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Wild. What I heard of the drums sounded good. This definitely has some speed licks. I think more bass and drums, or clearer bass and drums. I like the turbo guitar sound!
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/23 16:58:13
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nice work, beep. fantastic guitar playing! I'd like to hear the kick, tho. it's pretty much non-existant. love those licks, tho! great work!
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/24 01:07:04
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Great tones, well executed. Pretty slick! Cool guitar work. Love the beat changes. Daryl
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Beepster
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/24 09:36:26
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@Warren, Beags and Daryl... Thanks, guys. I'll post a remix when I have some more time. Cheers!
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/24 11:15:47
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Great track Beepster, love the guitar playing especially the section that hits at around 1:30. Not so keen on the drums, in my head I was hearing a huge half-time beat, to give those guitars something to fight with.
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Re:The Beepster Creep... First tune with X2 and TH2
2012/11/24 11:28:07
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Thanks, James... Yeah, the drums are quite sparse compared to what I'd normally play on a real kit but I'm not really used to the pK yet. Can't do any double kick work on it either. Gonna have to get more creative and proficient in laying down drum tracks this way. Not bad for my first time though I think. That's all live with no PRV tweaks or overlaying of parts. I did however have to do it in sections. It's certainly a big change from a real kit. I'd love to get some V-Drums one day but there is no way I can afford that any time soon. Cheers.
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