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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/08 22:30:52 (permalink)
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Project section markers along the lines of Logic Pro - a track where you can block out sections of the project (e.g. verse, chorus, intro etc) and shift them around to change the arrangement with all the relevant parts of all tracks moving in sync.



Yeah, that would be nice 

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/08 22:41:15 (permalink)
1) Staff View overhaul - ot to make it competition for sibelious or something, but just make it intuitive and a joy to get the results you are after. Some extra controlls of printing etc.
 
2) Some Chord tools. I've suggested a Midi Chord tool, with extra functionality than available from others, with more of a focus on suggesting more interesting voicings, attached to a circle of fifths tool (extensions, inversion, alt base, open and close etc). BUt then I believe their are some things in other DAWS such as chord maps (I think) in cubase. So something that aids composition this way.
 
3) Varispeed

 
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/08 23:18:31 (permalink)
1) Minor staff view fixes (triplet handling, etc.)

2) Chord pad and assistant as mentioned above.

3) A chord track which not only affects MIDI, but polyphonic homogeneous audio or Acid loops. (Ok, pretty over the top)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 00:00:59 (permalink)
1. Arranger track
2. Whatever Bapu wants
3. Vari speed metronome that can run independent of the project playback. This would help me figure out the tempo of a track recorded without a click. I think I could do this way faster than audio snap. 

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 00:33:53 (permalink)
Global freeze would be nice.
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 01:06:58 (permalink)
1. ACT 2
2. AAF Support and better OMF support.
3. Better Video export.

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 01:17:02 (permalink)
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1-improved CCC
2-a simple or automatic way to extract a tempo chart from an audio track
3-no more updates that would make a perfectly running and rock solid function either unstable and/or unusable
 


Unless I am not understanding - you CAN create a tempo map from an audio track, using Audio Snap.
 
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Yes I know.  The key words were simple or automatic.  I have played with Audio Snap in the past and found it difficult to use.  Have things changed?


I don't think Audio Snap has changed too much, but I never have used audio snap for anything other than to build a tempo map for imported songs I am building midi-version covers for, so I really have no idea on its other uses.  For what I did, I just followed the 3-4 steps that the documentation listed, and it worked fine.
 
If there is some other way to do it, I am all for it - I was just trying to give you something that you could maybe use until some other tool becomes available.  :)
 
There are zillions of things that Sonar and its components offer, that I may never try, as I am pretty much a keyboard player that fell in love with being able to record songs with crazy numbers of rich sounding tracks.
 
There are some really good ideas in this thread, and I hope the Cakewalk folks can get an idea from them on the kinds of things users would find helpful for future product functionality.
 
Here is the documentation steps I followed,to build a tempo map in my project that was synced to an imported audio clip:
 
To sync the project tempo to an audio clip
  1. Select the audio clip(s) that has the desired tempo map.
  2. Press ALT+A to open the AudioSnap palette.
  3. Click the Set Project Tempo From Clip button on the AudioSnap palette.
 
  The clip tempo map is copied to the project tempo map so the tempo maps are identical.

Note 1: The Set Project Tempo From Clip drop-down list lets you specify at which resolution     the clip’s tempo map should be copied to the project tempo. The options are as follows:
 
               Beats
              Measures (default)
              Clip
 
Note 2: If multiple audio clips have their Clip Timebase property set to Musical, changing the project tempo will affect the relative positions of the audio clips. When using the Set Project Tempo from Clip command, SONAR will offer to convert the timebase to Absolute.
 
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 01:19:01 (permalink)
#1. Improved notation and staff view
Being so close, but not quite there, is like a sports event and someone that falls to the ground just before finish line.
Allow rests in triplet etc.
#2. Improved metronome
Maybe five selectable waves - accent, quarter(beat), 8th, 8th triplet, 16th - just like click units for drummers.
And volume on each.
#3. Allow 4/4 time signature with triplets - not having to run 12/8 etc.
Then you can set tempo in Sonar as you do on external units.
 
The big three for me....allowing to work in daw as freely as in real life just playing...not having to workaround these in daw...
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 03:52:15 (permalink)
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Global freeze would be nice.

Try using lots of Melodyne and leave all clips open!
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 04:03:26 (permalink)
1) Stability / Crash-proof operation / Backward compatibility no matter what.
2) See 1
3) See 2
 
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 04:12:03 (permalink)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 05:14:40 (permalink)
I'm going to cheat somewhat by grouping features together, and also I think mention things no-one else has:

1 - Better plug-in compatability.
- A DirectX BitBridge or equivalent to help people (me!) migrate to 64 bit more easily
- Versioning the VST Scanner so that an update to the scanner doesn't break existing plug-ins with older versions of SONAR
- Better VST compatability across the board (SONAR isn't the best in this department)
- Proper mono support (good for UADs etc)

2 - Performance. Although I don't think it's as critical as it used to be, SONAR does not perform well compared with other DAWs, especially at low latency. In particular, almost all have some kind of way of improving performance when low latency is not required (eg. For input monitoring) - ASIO Guard, Hybrid Engine etc.

3 - GUI improvments. For me, there are 2 big ones needed: smaller widgets (we've been losing track data space for multiple versions) and a revisiting of the customisability of tools as we had in 8.x (the PRV tool customisation was unbelievably good and knocked any other customisation I've seen in any application for six*).

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 09:21:55 (permalink)
Great input and suggestions.  As great as Sonar is (and I truly believe the best is yet to come) let's not forget that it's nearly impossible for one piece of software - no matter how great, that does so much on so many different levels, to be all things to all people.  
 
Very easy to see that we all use Sonar differently.  Some see a glaring need for improvement in many different areas while others are more than content with the product as is.  
 
However, from what I'm reading, it looks like most users would like to see...
 
1.)  Improvements (or a complete overhaul) to Audio Snap
2.)  A suite of mastering tools
3.)  Greater stability and/or reliability
4.)  Improved to audio editing functionality
5.)  Improvements/changes to the staff view
6.)  Greater control over UI customization
 
etc., etc., etc.,
 
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 10:25:05 (permalink)
1. Overhaul the plugin manager - It's been the same since the days when most of us just had a few of them to organize (maybe break them down by manufacturer, if SONAR has a way of reading that info from the code), and adding multiple plugins to a layout has always been clunky.
2. ProChannel-ize the VX64 and DX64 strips in modular format - I love these things, and I think it would be just awesome to be able to stick 1 or 2 modules from them (say, De-Esser and Doubler) into a ProChannel chain. I would use the Transient Shaper on every single drum track!
3. Integrate 3rd party plugins into the ProChannel chain - Obviously, a manufacturer has to make a dedicated PC version of whatever for true integration (thanks Overloud, Softube, DB), but I envision a button to call up the normal GUI slotted into the PC, graphically similar to a minimized PC module. If that makes sense ...
 
3.5. Teach the PRV to remember my window size settings when reopening a project.

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 11:35:47 (permalink)
1. Improved Piano Roll/Drum Maps/Midi editing. I mean it should be ideal. Not just good or OK. No one should say that he don't like something of that.
2. Improved routing/sidechain abilities. I understand that there is backward compatibility that must be considered. But if some features can be added, it must be added. Other DAWs went far ahead in this field.
3. Improved GUI. More colors, buttons and widgets should be customizable. All users are different, they use software in different ways, with different purposes, on the different hardware, so why not give them ability to set up their working tool to make it more efficient.
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 12:01:32 (permalink)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 12:05:24 (permalink)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 12:09:17 (permalink)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 12:20:00 (permalink)
Would love to have something like expression maps.
 
I know.  I am a broken record.  I will keep posting this every time a features question is asked until one of these two things happens:
 
1.  Cakewalk succumbs to my persistence.
 
or
 
2.  I abandon Sonar for that other product (don't want to do it) that has them.
post edited by gbar - 2015/06/09 13:18:48
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 12:37:15 (permalink)
Interesting thread! I hope the bakers are taking notes...
 
Here's my three:
x) Browser Overhaul - It boggles my mind that the Browser can only audition 20 or so seconds before looping. Hence I cannot stream audio through my studio template (reference tracks, practice playlists, auditioning short clips from my library of ideas etc. I have to use VLC media player which is not ideal as it does not route through my Sonar setup and as such is not level matched or able to be sent to multiple headphone mixes etc.
 
x) Expression Maps - Not for myself but for the folks that need it, have experimented with the 'competition' with this feature and it is truly a game-changer from what I can see.
 
x) Score - To facilitate the feature above the score would need improving. I dont tend to use notation much unless collaborating with a random classical player. Saying that, being able to export MIDI as a rough score would be a convenient time saver.
 
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 15:33:57 (permalink)
 1 Varispeed 
2 More and better notation (staff View)
3 A "P5" project theme

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 16:06:56 (permalink)
I was a cubase user for 15 years, since using sonar from X1 onwards I have never looked back. The only thing I would love to see is a staff view that matches the professionalism of the rest of this amazing software. Right now it's awful, but I live in hope.

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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 16:13:12 (permalink)
1) Improvements to the matrix view. At least to directly record into a cell.
 
2) ACT II
 
3) Better browser with tagging
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/09 17:33:32 (permalink)
1. Expression Maps - Essential for orchestral scores
2. Chord Tracks - Handy for us that keys isn't our first instrument
3. Redesign of audiosnap - This is a long way off.  Ideally would have instant realtie warping like Ableton and phase cherent multi track editing
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/10 05:36:24 (permalink)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/12 13:47:58 (permalink)
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I was a cubase user for 15 years, since using sonar from X1 onwards I have never looked back. The only thing I would love to see is a staff view that matches the professionalism of the rest of this amazing software. Right now it's awful, but I live in hope.



Could you outline exactly what the current SONAR staff view is lacking in comparison to Cubase? Very curious about this. 
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/12 13:56:46 (permalink)

Score Editor

The Score Editor is a professional notation environment with full support for just about all symbol, display and editing options that this entails, including support for lyrics and remarks as well as drum notes, guitar tablature and lead sheets. Simply select the tools needed to create fully professional score layouts for others including soloists, orchestras and choirs. The Score Editor includes more than 100 professional notation symbols and supports the import and export of Music XML files.
 


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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/12 14:07:29 (permalink)
Did the Steinberg kids program their editor in house or did they farm it out/steal talent from companies like Sibelus?
 
I still think the staff view stuff should be contracted out to a third party so as not to distract the Bakers from their current work. Since a huge amount of your users are guitar players (like me) and GuitarPro does notation very well as far as I've seen I'd say tapping their resource/talent pool would be the best bet. Tab AND notation would be freaking brilliant and likely set the notation element of Sonar aside from the rest of the pack.
 
Essentially I would like to see Guitar Pro integrated into Sonar's MIDI editor somehow.
 
Just as long as we have a Baker poking about. ;-)
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/12 14:26:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/06/12 18:41:53
Oh boy, take cover.
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Re: The Big Three! 2015/06/12 14:29:26 (permalink)
I second (or maybe third?) the cakewalk/Izotope collaboration.  My only other request would be to expand upon the options available in the step sequencer.  Especially as it relates to the groove and/or style of any given patterns playback.  Its entirely possible that this is already a function that I just havnt found yet.  But in my opinion, the "swing" dial is a bit too subtle.
 
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