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The DAW - How things never change.
Do you remember not so long ago when the latest version was released? Users claiming to have used the product for years through all the various versions had an opinion. The main board was alive with them............. Some were ecstatic declaring the new version the greatest ever with comments such as (I'm paraphrasing these)........... Finally I have a workflow I can use............. I think they've done a great job on the upgrade I've been mixing in it for hours and I love it the glitching has finally gone...hooray that's gone. No I'm not a fanboy.. I really like the dark appearance and new design Why don't you moaning guys go back to an Atari? It's not been out long, this is the start of great things. The developers are listening to the user base I'm working far faster in the new version than I ever could the old Some sitting on the fence...................... not sure about the disappearing menu bar that appears to be because you're using it on an unsupported OS. Thanks to all the early adopters. I'm just sitting it out to see how it develops others were less enthusiastic with comments such as........ Wish they'd have spent the time wasted taking feature "x" away on making feature "y" work.... Resizing of UI elements is really lame the narrow mixing view is very unprofessional.... it looks a mess I don't like the dark theme..... they should hire a professional graphics designer to have a look at the aesthetics, especially readability. I wish it would zoom better. What bothers me is they've been ignoring these issues with requested fixes for version after version. I've hit quite a few bugs....things turning themselves on & off. Losing responsiveness for long periods of time. A restart seems to fix it....... I've installed it and I'm not impressed. Ergonomics and usability have been killed. Everything is soft and animated with no contrast. WHY? Give me back the old version that had great workflow, the new version just killed it. Why does it look like something from Teletubbies. It's ridiculous? If the old way isn't restored I'm abandoning ship...... I've been a user for 20+years and never moan about price and yes this has stopped me getting things done......... it's crap, utter crap.... Grey on grey, names too small, I'm using this professionally GUI is a real pain in the ass They are just copying Studio One I'm staying with the old version it worked perfectly......... I am finding things very hard to decipher and it just looks mashed together in a non coherent way. Anyway that's enough about the Cubase 7 release and one thread on their forums.  It just struck me how similar they are to our own forums, version releases, the users and individual opinions.  'Nowt queerer than folk eh?
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 05:11:20
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TCB - Tea, Cats, Books...
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 05:53:01
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Yep!
I suppose once quantum computer technology is released along with direct-to-human-mind interface with access to 10,000 quantum powered plugins (instruments and FXs including a library of virtual session musicians along with vocalist and lyricist all stored on a micro quantum chip) all working harmoniously 24/7 without a single glitch....
Butt I guess peeps will still complain about something... {DOH}!
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 06:07:23
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I make comparitive complaints. Like why is it 'x' has so many buggy features that never work as described per square inch than 'y'. It's the only way I can ensure I upset every fanboy without prejudice. There's that thing too when we see someone like our Tom Riggs making a genuine complaint and last ditch plea about long standing neglect with an eMail support request and then ever helpful somebody inevitably chimes in with "I have nothing but praise for the timely support I've had when needed" which will then normally be followed with a chorus of similar posts, like it's a real fix for the actual issue being described. So again I'd say there were more seemingly automatically devoted, devotees showing their devotion when something that looks like it may be mildy ugly shows up here than anywhere else I visit. I have no reason to visit the Cubase forums so I can't make a comparison there. My views on X2 though having just recently put it through it's paces are mostly positive. Unlike X1 it actually does do a bunch of stuff in addition to what I can already do in 8.5.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/12/10 06:49:57
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 07:09:24
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I'm sure most forums are the same DAW or otherwise. Cubase is the only other DAW forum I visit as it's the only other DAW I've used, albeit an old version (3 IIRC) but I do keep up to date with the new releases and check out their forum from time to time.It just struck me as funny that the complaints and praise are all basically the same. I can only imagine the uproar here if CW ever do a Steinberg and upgrade the forum software. User account post counts all went back to zero - but don't tell Bapu that happened, he'll have nightmares. 
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 07:32:40
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I can only imagine the uproar here if CW ever do a Steinberg and upgrade the forum software. User account post counts all went back to zero - but don't tell Bapu that happened, he'll have nightmares.
I'd like that, then I could deny that I'd ever said anything here, ever!!! I do think whilst forums may have common themes that occur the vibe, the collective morality, demographic sensibilities, what people choose to major on etc. etc. can vary greatly between them. The biggest exception is that the forum software seems to suck everywhere you go. Not that one is any better than the other, just different, this one however does have a strong sense of community that I don't see as distinctly elsewhere.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/12/10 07:34:43
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 07:36:40
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"Why does everything look like Teletubbies?"
hahahahahahahaha lol lol!!!
too many lasers...  Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 09:11:45
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I never made any of those complaints... 
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 12:52:06
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I'm the "it's all good here" guy.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 13:00:19
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It's the same thing with phone users when it comes to Android versus iPhone etc....the forums are always full of people who think the grass is greener on the other side. It makes researching your new purchase an absolute nightmare. Your decision boils down to "which product seems to have the fewer complaints, based upon my totally unscientific method of browsing forums and reading reviews on Amazon."
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 13:32:12
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sharke
It's the same thing with phone users when it comes to Android versus iPhone etc....the forums are always full of people who think the grass is greener on the other side. It makes researching your new purchase an absolute nightmare. Your decision boils down to "which product seems to have the fewer complaints, based upon my totally unscientific method of browsing forums and reading reviews on Amazon."
I made the mistake of making a slight to Iphones in general HERE, and was road out of town on a rail...
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 13:40:44
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Mooch sez iEverything is best.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 14:01:26
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sharke
It's the same thing with phone users when it comes to Android versus iPhone etc....the forums are always full of people who think the grass is greener on the other side. It makes researching your new purchase an absolute nightmare. Your decision boils down to "which product seems to have the fewer complaints, based upon my totally unscientific method of browsing forums and reading reviews on Amazon."
I made the mistake of making a slight to Iphones in general HERE, and was road out of town on a rail...
Too right as well. iPhone critics should be jailed.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 14:11:46
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When I told my wooden mate that we were having a 'who can start a fire the quickest' competition, he started rubbing his hands together in glee.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 17:38:23
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bapu
Mooch sez iEverything is best.
College buddy of mine was talking about his 27 year old son who's a fanatic for anything Apple: "If they sold iSh*t, he'd probably buy some".
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 18:21:24
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We are still dealing with the PC envelope of various builds and configs. It all means naught without the specs to each problem with each PC build.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 19:50:54
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To be fair and honest in regards to this topic I should not paint myself as being completely satisfied with absolutely everything ((DAW)) and yes in the past I have participate in heated discussions that I wish I had refrained (not participated). Realistically; no DAW is perfect but there are work-around's.
This year I have tried to distance myself from all the upstairs hemorrhagic idiosyncrasies because my wife and I have far more (way,way more) important issues to deal with such as health concerns along with serious financial matters that makes all the upstairs drama seem so dang petty.
For decades I have always found work-around's to get the job done on a mere budget and even with today's technology a mere budget of about $2,500; PC + software + some second hand gear (keyboard + Guitar + Interface + Mic) is all that I need to achieve great results with hardly any issues using minimal tools and with care to detail; a well spec PC and OS setup + good drivers + all configured correctly + SONAR producer + Interface + all correctly setup.
If you could go back to 1975 and figure out the costs to build you own studio; 24 or 16 Track Reel, 24 chn Mixer, Outboard, Guitars, Amp, Drum Kit, Keyboards, speakers and good microphones, the costs for all that gear would easily amount to about $20,000 though some of that gear be second-hand. + that gear would require attention to detail maintenance $$$? * Fast forward to 2012 and I have PC + Software + some second-hand gear all for about $2,500 and almost all regular maintenance is virtually cost free.
In regards to the project studio; we are living in great times and it will get even better in future as computers + Interfaces + software advances further along with reductions in costs.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 19:56:50
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Good post Greg.
I keep trying to tell myself to bite my tongue...and then.......well someone sez something......and then.......and then......
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 19:58:53
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Doesn't anyone realize that we are all on the same forum and with some domain trickery/programming, all references to a product are infact wildcards that are filled in, on the fly, according to the domain you are accessing.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/10 20:02:23
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 02:20:33
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 02:22:08
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Good marning, or night, Karl.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 02:25:13
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Morning for me - just in to work. I guess it's cup of cocoa time for you though?
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 02:27:14
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Morning for me - just in to work. I guess it's cup of cocoa time for you though?
Yup off to the haystack just now.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 02:28:40
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Have a good one. See you tonight/in the morning. 
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 05:04:47
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FastBikerBoy
Have a good one. See you tonight/in the morning. Later!
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 12:09:35
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bapu
Mooch sez iEverything is best.
No I didn't. I said I like the ipad and iPod and iTunes ......I like pc over Mac I don't like ieverything .... That's ridiculous Where are my shoes?
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 12:11:03
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bapu
Mooch sez iEverything is best.
No I didn't. I said I like the ipad and iPod and iTunes ......I like pc over Mac
I don't like ieverything .... That's ridiculous
Where are my shoes?
Is a Mac called iMac? I dooooooon't think so. But I could be wrong and it would NOT be the first time.
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Re:The DAW - How things never change.
2012/12/11 12:13:45
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If you could go back to 1975 and figure out the costs to build you own studio; 24 or 16 Track Reel, 24 chn Mixer, Outboard, Guitars, Amp, Drum Kit, Keyboards, speakers and good microphones, the costs for all that gear would easily amount to about $20,000 though some of that gear be second-hand. + that gear would require attention to detail maintenance $$$? * Fast forward to 2012 and I have PC + Software + some second-hand gear all for about $2,500 and almost all regular maintenance is virtually cost free.
In regards to the project studio; we are living in great times and it will get even better in future as computers + Interfaces + software advances further along with reductions in costs.
I have said this many times +1 And Amen brother!!
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