RexRed
...I suspect it is melodyne that is handing v-vocal a corrupted file to work with...

 
I'm puzzled by this. Could you please explain.

I basically agree with Bob's original post. Or should I say, I feel his pain.
 
But a side concern of mine at least, is this: Tools that we've purchased with our money shouldn't just disappear like that. I am totally accustomed to working in V-Vocal. Loving it and never had an issue. The things I need to do are now muscle memory and easily performed. Suddenly it's gone ... and why?
 
Oh I know, because I chose to give Cakewalk even more of my money to "upgrade".
 
I feel like Melodyne ... and let's be honest ... it wasn't even Melodyne, it was Melodyne Essential ... was crammed down our throats without so much as a survey to gauge the popularity of what it was replacing. Then we had the privilege of paying yet again to get the real Melodyne. Or you could just ... not fudge with it at all ... like the old days ...
 
I understand money walks and ... Cakewalk is out there signing deals and partnering with various companies at different points ... I get that. That's business. But it does get personal when essential tools you both paid for and depend on to make your art just up and disappear like a fart in the wind.
 
Sounds like I'm ****ing, but I'm not. I still couldn't do what I do without Cakewalk. I love Cakewalk. But things like this make it hard for me to get psyched about going monthly subscription with them. How much stuff will just change on me when Cakewalk's contracts with certain, future vendors expire? Will I just lose the Pro-Channel at some point and have it replaced with the suck channel?
 
Currently to get around this I just leave Sonar X1 64-bit installed and continue to have my v-vocal cake and eat it too. But how long will this last? The wonky Melodyne interface makes me want to lose my lunch. Looks like a circa '85 mac or something. The little music blobs that your supposed to move around look like little turds on my screen. I literally can't look at Melodyne.
 
I guess it's all what you are used to. Didn't mean to offend anybody. That's just the way I genuinely feel.

I still use vvocal myself.

mixmkr
Not reading the whole thread....but wasn't V Vocal a Roland involvement, and with them out of the Cakewalk picture, might have something related with the lack of updating and/or continued support.  Seemed like Melodyne popped in at a time when a "replacement" was "needed".  I also believe that Melodyne has more of an industry "liking"....in a similar way that ProTools does....whether or not it is better (which in the case of Sonar, it isn't!)... but Melodyne did come up with some crazy features like polyphonic detection and such...I think in effect giving it an industry boost.

It was a Roland product. The thread makes that clear. However even before Roland sold CW they had not done any updates for a long time. 

I miss having a shortcut key for launching V-Vocal. I don't think it's possible to set one up in Sonar versions later than X2. Or is it?

What's with the hate on Melodyne?  Is it the product itself or do people have issues with the company?  And if so, why?
 
I used V-Vocal and thought it was ok, although I had a lot of "glitchy" behavior with it.  I didn't care too much for the GUI....but, I liked it enough that I kept the version of Sonar that I had it on installed so I could still access it.
 
When I first started using Melodyne, I had some weird issues at times, that nobody (neither the forum, nor Celemony) could ever explain  (after making a few alterations successfully, if I made another...and then went to do another one, the prior one would swap back to it's previous "location"....and I then could make no further changes).  That was happening in X3.....
 
Since updating to Platinum, I haven't yet had this happen (knock on wood)..so I figured it was some little bug somewhere that got cleaned up.
 
But I digress.....I guess my point is, overall, at least for what I need, I like Melodyne quite a bit more than V-Vocal, and honestly haven't used V-Vocal in probably a year because I haven't felt like it was needed.....
 
It was and is a decent program...but no improvements in quite a long time, and it seems to be kind of "dead in the water'.....so....unfortunate as it may be....time moves on...I like Melodyne's setup...although, I'm currently using Editor 2 and haven't updated to Editor or Studio 4, as I've heard varying reviews....I've got until April for the special upgrade price...I figure I'll see if people are happier with it once they've fixed up a few things.
 
I'm just so impressed with ANY of these programs that make me sound FAR better than I am, that I'm grateful they exist at all. ;-)

Ozz
...I like Melodyne's setup...although, I'm currently using Editor 2 and haven't updated to Editor or Studio 4, as I've heard varying reviews....I've got until April for the special upgrade price...I figure I'll see if people are happier with it once they've fixed up a few things.
 
I'm just so impressed with ANY of these programs that make me sound FAR better than I am, that I'm grateful they exist at all. ;-)

I'm sure you've read enough opinions about it already, but I'll add mine anyway - v4 rocks.   
 
I did upgrade to Studio though since the cost was lower than I've ever seen and I didn't want to miss out.  I use Melodyne on a regular basis and while I haven't used much of Studio's exclusive tools, I have played around with them and I think they're quite nice and plan to use them to their fullest.   But even at a basic level I really like the changes in v4... and it's still in the "brand new" phase.    Makes me wonder what another year will bring to the table...
 

You can still use VVocal.
If you have a version of Sonar that contains it then install that version of Sonar and deselect every item when you do an advanced install. VVocal doesn't have a special tab as it gets installed along with Sonar. You'll have access to it through region fx as before. And yes it's OK to run different Sonar versions side by side. In any case you only want VVocal anyway.

Melodyne does not have a feature to "add" vibrato when there is none. At least not in the same way VVocal did. That was a nice feature that VVocal had. However, I think you can copy pitch variations from another blob on another one, or split the blob up and manually add vibrato, or find a plug-in that can modulate pitch.  Not as easy but just some ideas I had.

Anderton
I wrote about how to do this in "The Big Book of SONAR Tips." Basically, I have a Sonitus Modulator preset that does vocal vibrato, and insert that as an audio effect in the clip. You can automate the depth and rate. I find this approach easier to use, more expressive because you can control it in real time and record the automation, and more reliable than the vibrato tool in V-Vocal. 

 
I need to buy that book :)

glennstanton
http://helpcenter.celemony.com/editor2/en/singletrack_tour_65.html
 
you need editor to add (or remove) vibrato or correct pitch drift. some useful videos out there are well. i moved on from v-vocal as soon as melodyne was added although it took a few weeks of playing with it and going through tutorials. it's been stable and works really well. upgraded to editor version last year - amazing. still have the v-vocal installed though (32-bit on a 64-bit system - ew) for compatibility with old projects.

 
You can't really add vibrato like you can in VVocal. You can enhance or de-emphasize if but is none is there originally you can't create it or change its frequency etc. At least not to my knowledge.

Anderton

reginaldStjohn
You can't really add vibrato like you can in VVocal. You can enhance or de-emphasize if but is none is there originally you can't create it or change its frequency etc. At least not to my knowledge.

See post #319. Even though the Sonitus Modulator is not within Melodyne, it provides the exact same functionality as V-Vocal's vibrato tool - imposes LFO-based frequency modulation. The only difference is you have much more flexibility than the V-Vocal vibrato tool because you can automate the vibrato for more expressiveness.

I agree with you Craig. I was trying to point out that within Melodyne this was not an option that I had found. I left out the Melodyne part.