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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2017/04/28 07:42:18
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 01:21:43
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While on the subject - I bought the CW MP3 Encoder a few years back, now I can't even find it in my PC.  Can somebody steer me in the right direction? 
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/04/28 21:40:22
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Great news! Although it's long overdue to switch to OGG and/or FLAC.
I've used FLAC for a year or so, and Am much happier with it, compared to MP3.
haha tell THAT to the app developers 
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 03:07:09
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Will it just now work in the latest update or do we have to do something?
I've always just been cheap and use the batch converter in Gold Wave. I wonder if Wave Lab will also activate the encoder? And Flac does not work on many players like my car stereo and USB flash drive systems etc.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 03:22:04
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Zargg
Soundwise
Great news! Although it's long overdue to switch to OGG and/or FLAC.
I've used FLAC for a year or so, and Am much happier with it, compared to MP3.
Cactus Music
And Flac does not work on many players like my car stereo and USB flash drive systems etc.
and isn't flac lossless, and therefor more comparable to a .wav than an mp3 which is 'lossy'
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 12:06:09
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bwbalint
I just paid the $10 for the Cakewalk Sonar MP3 encoder just over a week ago. I received an email today saying that my money will be refunded. Yea! The email did not say how far back they will be going to refund monies paid for this.
This information was literally available to us a week ago and the patent expiration was this week. We can't refund earlier payments for this since we're still due to pay the licensing fees upto this week.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 12:06:23
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Maybe Neil Young bought up rights to FLAC for his PONO player
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 13:14:14
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How do you activate the new encoder?
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 13:16:48
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/04/28 13:32:19
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
[This information was literally available to us a week ago and the patent expiration was this week. We can't refund earlier payments for this since we're still due to pay the licensing fees upto this week.
Noel, here is the email I received. It actually does specify a date of April 1, 2017: "Hi Bart, MP3 export is now available in SONAR Artist, Professional, and Platinum at no charge. Recently the patent royalties associated with MP3 encoding expired. Cakewalk is excited to offer MP3 encoding free of charge in SONAR. OK so why are you emailing me about this? I already purchased an MP3 encoder or activator from Cakewalk. We're writing to let you know that because you purchased the Cakewalk MP3 Encoder on or after April 1, 2017 your purchase is being refunded and you can keep it. Please enjoy unlimited MP3 exports! Thank you for your continued support. From Boston with <3, Cakewalk"
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 13:21:27
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dburns
How do you activate the new encoder?
It just is. Export your audio, select mp3 as your export format.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 17:35:28
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 18:50:50
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/04/28 21:43:38
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Will it just now work in the latest update or do we have to do something?
I've always just been cheap and use the batch converter in Gold Wave. I wonder if Wave Lab will also activate the encoder? And Flac does not work on many players like my car stereo and USB flash drive systems etc.
It's built into 04.2017. You won't need to do anything. Users on older versions will still need to run the activator.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 19:36:55
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I've never paid for mp3 encoding outright as Creative products include it. They also include basic audio editing and format conversion utilities, some of which are free downloads. Is there a trick to Sonar's "new" converter? Just tried it but it doesn't work. File was created but won't play.
post edited by soens - 2017/04/28 20:03:21
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/04/29 01:33:04
you can always rip a CD using windows media player and convert WAV to MP3 if your in a bind. (Those who don't have the converter).
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 20:53:00
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LAME can be configured in SONAR ...
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 21:35:50
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My money was indeed refunded for the purchase. Thanks Cakewalk Support for noticing us, Senpai! 
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The Grim
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Soundwise
Great news! Although it's long overdue to switch to OGG and/or FLAC.
I've used FLAC for a year or so, and Am much happier with it, compared to MP3.
Cactus Music
And Flac does not work on many players like my car stereo and USB flash drive systems etc.
and isn't flac lossless, and therefor more comparable to a .wav than an mp3 which is 'lossy'
I believe it is. Even I can hear a difference between MP3 and FLAC in my room.. (or at least I think I can)
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 21:55:37
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Apologies if this has been covered (skimmed some posts, read the MP3 entry in the Knowledge Based link).
So if I update to the latest version it will include (and automagically unlock with no extra user input) an MP3 encoder?
Would this be the Cakewalk MP3 encoder (or preinstalled LAME or something different, etc)?
Will we be able to download for free the Cakewalk MP3 encoder now independent of whatever version we are using
eg: If I'm using Manchester or X1 or 8.5 or whatever can I now just download the Cake MP3 encoder and use it in those earlier incarnations?
But yeah... that's cool.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
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Zargg
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Zargg
Soundwise
Great news! Although it's long overdue to switch to OGG and/or FLAC.
I've used FLAC for a year or so, and Am much happier with it, compared to MP3.
Cactus Music
And Flac does not work on many players like my car stereo and USB flash drive systems etc.
and isn't flac lossless, and therefor more comparable to a .wav than an mp3 which is 'lossy'
I believe it is.
Even I can hear a difference between MP3 and FLAC in my room..
(or at least I think I can)
Its unfortunate that MP3 is a more widely supported format than FLAC. Most stock cellular devices will do OGG and MP3 by default, but you need a visit to an app store to download VLC media player to enjoy FLAC's beneifts. MP3 also, in the same application, MP3 fits along a packet stream a lot nicer than an FLAC. But production wise, FLAC is rock-solid. If I need a space-saver, my downloaded sample library gets batch transcoded through sox, to FLAC. A 20 GB WAV sample library will compress nicely to just under 5 GB using FLAC with no lossy encoding.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 22:12:32
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Zargg
I believe it is.
Even I can hear a difference between MP3 and FLAC in my room..
(or at least I think I can)
which is why i was a little curious as to comparing flac file to an mp3, i would have thought the difference in sound quality would have been a given, basically the same as comparing a .wav to an mp3. i guess the benifit of flac is file size, being significantly smaller than a .wav, (and significantly larger than an mp3) i stick with .wav, no extra steps and file size/storage is of no consequence.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/28 22:15:55
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Zargg
I believe it is.
Even I can hear a difference between MP3 and FLAC in my room..
(or at least I think I can)
which is why i was a little curious as to comparing flac file to an mp3, i would have thought the difference in sound quality would have been a given, basically the same as comparing a .wav to an mp3. i guess the benifit of flac is file size, being significantly smaller than a .wav, (and significantly larger than an mp3) i stick with .wav, no extra steps and file size/storage is of no consequence.
I have a one-click fixes all transcoding powershell script around here somewhere... Just goes through a dir and its sub dirs replacing all sound files into FLAC. Run it, guitar practice and done. They come in handy, the one click things. Especially when you write them yourself to avoid shareware.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/29 01:08:52
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/29 01:40:13
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Cactus Music
Will it just now work in the latest update or do we have to do something?
I've always just been cheap and use the batch converter in Gold Wave. I wonder if Wave Lab will also activate the encoder? And Flac does not work on many players like my car stereo and USB flash drive systems etc.
Flac doesn't even work in itunes, which is ridiculous seeing that flac was originally something Apple were very interested in. Apple's lossless format files do work in itunes and there are free convertors which can change flac to lossless and seem to do a good job. The difference between the lossless formats/CD and high quality mp3 on a car stereo is a bit of an academic question though, cars generally not being good audio environments.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
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Just one of many reasons iAvoid iStuff
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/29 13:17:31
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I wish I had known it was on the PA9 disc. I bought it when it was $30, Ohh well it was worth it or I wouldn't have bought. Next time I'll wait a few years( no I won't).
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/29 16:32:33
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/04/29 23:33:21
For anybody reading this isn't upgrading to or past 17.04, the tool that enables the Cake mp3 encoder from the PA9 CD does NOT work for more recent versions of SONAR.
However, if you contact Cake support with your PA9 serial number, they will give you an updated tool that WILL work for recent versions of SONAR.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/29 17:52:56
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Interesting. I always knew it was possible to configure LAME in Sonar, but for reasons that are nebulous to me I never bothered. Insted I generally export as FLAC (to conserve a bit of disk space, since it unpacks to full res anyway) and used Sound Forge to convert to mp3 if/when I needed to. It's weird and an oblique process, I agree, but it's just what I've always done and for some reason I kind of liked the separation of powers as it were, and it gave me the opportunity of using another stage of analysis in Sound Forge to kind of check and make sure that everything was as it should be. I wonder if I will still do this? I wouldn't put it past me... exactly the kind of irrational habit I'm likely to just keep doing even with absolutely no reason to keep doing it.
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
2017/04/29 21:10:56
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MP3 has never been an audiophile's first choice. But it is good to have the option to burn a few MP3's straight out of Sonar if you ever need that option for low bandwidth use or compact file storage devices.
MP3 could be compared to the jpg format for photos, which is also lossy compression. It became the best way to store full color images online for web pages back in the day of slow dial-up networking. Nowadays I prefer to use lossless png for export to web images.
I think now that memory is cheaper, and bandwidth relatively unlimited, the usefulness of the MP3 format will soon run its course. The better options will become more mainstream eventually. Just look at streaming video now. A few years ago you could only get high resolution movies on that BluRay optical disk. Now you can stream ultra HD over the net!
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Re: The End of the MP3 Encoder Controversy - MP3 for Free!
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