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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/03/31 07:44:40
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ORIGINAL: calaverasgrandes
dang, I hate to be a naysayer, but I think a slightly more verbose description of the audio features would be in order. I use Midi and VSTs all the friggin time. But I record stuff along with those tracks too! I also think its one of the things sonar excels in, and what a lot fo folks like Reaper for.
Hmmmm.... I might add some more things about audio. As I mention on the page, it would generate pages and pages of info if I went all the way into it, possibly overwhelming, really. Obviously, the focus is MIDI for now, but eventually I would like to see it get that far. Maybe eventually be comprehensive. But for now, I'm trying to get the MIDI side down.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/03/31 07:48:44
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ORIGINAL: My Favorites
Eratu says:
Cakewalk MIDI sequencer, one of the first (if not the actual first) PC MIDI sequencers in the 1980s. Cubase, which ran on the Atari ST in 1989
What i know is cakewalk founded 1987
It says in the web site: Steinberg has been a motor of innovation in the audio industry since 1984 (Pro-16, the first software product to carry the Steinberg name.)
Can you explain more?
It's just an extremely simple summary for a quick historical perspective -- one of the Reaper folks in another forum suggested that it was important to provide something along those lines to help people understand where in the market history of things these products emerged from, and I agreed. I might add more in the future, but detailed info about the companies is readily available elsewhere. Maybe I'll provide wikipedia links or something like that, and I'll try to go back and clarify a little more. And yes, John is right, Steinberg came later to the PC.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/03/31 07:51:18
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Ok i got it now :)
Thanks John
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/01 11:36:42
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Many thanks eratu............great job 
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/01 11:49:58
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Steinberg came later to the PC No Steinberg fan here, but it's more correct to say the PC came late to music, and Steinberg had already made products for 2 computers that *could* do audio, the Commodore 64 and Atari's. PC was very little, very late.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/01 12:06:21
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No Steinberg fan here, but it's more correct to say the PC came late to music, and Steinberg had already made products for 2 computers that *could* do audio, the Commodore 64 and Atari's. PC was very little, very late. I was hoping no one would point that out. True. Twelve Tone's Cakewalk was not the first PC sequencer either. Not that it matters. One could say it was the best when it did come out. As far as late I wouldn't say that so much as say they were contemporary in a round about fashion. After all it was MIDI that really made all of them take off. Roland made one of the very first MIDI interfaces. I think it was for PCs only. Could be wrong on that though.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/01 14:42:47
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Yes, the Roland MPU-401. It became the "standard" MIDI interface for the day. Heck, the MIDI port on Soundblasters even supported the protocol (more or less). It had a "basic" mode and an "intelligent" mode, that offloaded some MIDI processing from the CPU. While better performance-wise, the intelligent mode was also limiting feature-wise, so eventually even Cake dropped it for the basic mode. That's essentially the basic MIDI port that's recognized today.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/01 14:52:19
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ORIGINAL: John
As far as late I wouldn't say that so much as say they were contemporary in a round about fashion. After all it was MIDI that really made all of them take off. Roland made one of the very first MIDI interfaces. I think it was for PCs only. Could be wrong on that though.
Good point about MIDI being the real driver. For the Mac, I recall the Opcode/Passport MIDI interface being the real hot item. The ATARI ST's were a real mid-80's hit because 1) they used the same 68K 32-bit processor as the Mac, and 2) they came with a built-in MIDI port. For cash-strapped musicians, the ATARI ST was a double-whammy... they were cheaper than Macs (I think), plus, you didn't have to go out and buy a separate MIDI interface box.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/22 13:46:42
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Holy crap! I just noticed your thread, eratu. This is EXACTLY what people need. It would be even greater if other DAWs are included, especially Samplitude, ProTools, Performer, Logic, etc. Great job and thanks :)
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/04/22 14:03:53
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ORIGINAL: John
Not that it matters. One could say it was the best when it did come out.
i know you had to write this - so as i have to reply that 1: yes and 2: why? ...ahh yesmaybe just because it HAS to be the best ...ok thats a good point...
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 09:50:25
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is it just me, or is the original link not working?
I'd really like to see the comparisons!
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 10:04:02
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Yup, the link isn't working right now for some reason. I would love to see the page when it is available.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 11:30:51
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 11:35:44
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ORIGINAL: losguy
ORIGINAL: John
As far as late I wouldn't say that so much as say they were contemporary in a round about fashion. After all it was MIDI that really made all of them take off. Roland made one of the very first MIDI interfaces. I think it was for PCs only. Could be wrong on that though.
Good point about MIDI being the real driver. For the Mac, I recall the Opcode/Passport MIDI interface being the real hot item. The ATARI ST's were a real mid-80's hit because 1) they used the same 68K 32-bit processor as the Mac, and 2) they came with a built-in MIDI port. For cash-strapped musicians, the ATARI ST was a double-whammy... they were cheaper than Macs (I think), plus, you didn't have to go out and buy a separate MIDI interface box.
The other reason that the Atari ST was popular that year (1986?) -- Color. The Atari came out maybe 6 months before the Mac II, and so was the first 68000-based pc with a color display. My MacPlus had a 9" monochrome screen, and you could get an Atari ST 1024 supporting full 8-bit color with a 13" color monitor. Wow!
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 13:13:55
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Yo, Steve Austin, here you go!-this is as good of a spec comparison sheet as I have seen; once this baby includes the other major players in the Audio/Midi software, you want have any excuses for figuring out what you wanna do! ORIGINAL: losguy
Big props to you, Eratu. That's an impressive amount of work. Getting a cross-sectional view of apps like this is very useful, especially for those of us who are too time-challenged to experiment with every app out there. This way, you get a better idea of where the best (and not so best) places may be to explore.
And I especially appreciate that this is not just a bunch of one-liners, like you see on so many product-feature matrices. You've taken the time to summarize in some level of depth. Also very helpful.
It's also very nice to see all the helpful comments coming in. That's what I love about this forum... it's got a good spirit about it. I've sensed it since my first thread-starting post around here, so long, long ago. Speaking of that thread, it recently crossed the 100,000 hit mark. I wish for you that this one gets at least that far, if not farther. People should reference this stuff.
OK, did anyone mention FL Studio? I've heard that it has a great MIDI editor (relatively speaking, of course) . I'd love to see how it stacks up on this grid!
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 14:29:04
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ORIGINAL: kwgm
The other reason that the Atari ST was popular that year (1986?) -- Color. The Atari came out maybe 6 months before the Mac II, and so was the first 68000-based pc with a color display. My MacPlus had a 9" monochrome screen, and you could get an Atari ST 1024 supporting full 8-bit color with a 13" color monitor. Wow!
The Atari ST was an awesome machine. Actually, I should say IS an awesome machine because I still have mine and it still works. Complete with Dr.T's KCS software.  Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar 7 Power & Sound Forge 8 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ - http://www.musictechshop.com/ - http://www.cooltechshop.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 15:09:01
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ORIGINAL: garrigus
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The other reason that the Atari ST was popular that year (1986?) -- Color. The Atari came out maybe 6 months before the Mac II, and so was the first 68000-based pc with a color display. My MacPlus had a 9" monochrome screen, and you could get an Atari ST 1024 supporting full 8-bit color with a 13" color monitor. Wow!
The Atari ST was an awesome machine. Actually, I should say IS an awesome machine because I still have mine and it still works. Complete with Dr.T's KCS software.
Good point about Color. Back then, it really was a big deal. How soon we forget! And a still-working model, Scott? Wow, indeed. Hats off to you for maintaining it so long... that's a labor of love. My most prized relic from those days is a working original-issue Yamaha DX-7 Mark 1 (but that's another topic.)
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 15:09:04
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ORIGINAL: dodz
is it just me, or is the original link not working?
I'd really like to see the comparisons!
It could be he is updating the MIDI comparisons. REAPER has had a lot of MIDI related updates in the 4 months so it is already out of date. But then with the speed that REAPER gets updated any comparison page will be out of date after a month. 
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 15:35:04
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ORIGINAL: losguy
And a still-working model, Scott? Wow, indeed. Hats off to you for maintaining it so long... that's a labor of love. My most prized relic from those days is a working original-issue Yamaha DX-7 Mark 1 (but that's another topic.)
Yep, I actually have a number of old pieces of gear that all still work... Roland JX-8P, Yamaha TX81Z, Roland SC-55, Emu Proteus/2. I admit though that I use software running on a PC for most things nowadays. Software synths are just so powerful now, it's incredible what we can do with them. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar 7 Power & Sound Forge 8 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ - http://www.musictechshop.com/ - http://www.cooltechshop.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 15:36:13
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ORIGINAL: John
Right now you have become my new hero. This is an outstanding effort that you have undertaken. I can't tell you how proud I am of this forum. In just the past couple of days you and Bitflipper have done some really great stuff. Your effort is an ambitious one and something we have needed for way too long. It is members like you that see a need and get to work. They don't ask for some one else to do it they just do it. Well done Eratu!
I forgot to add Dean to this for another great thread for new and old alike.
If I can help in any way let me know.
I second everything above-you got an address or po box so I can send u a think you and donation?
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 16:40:12
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Hi Eratu,
Darn - I missed it! Reading all the great comments but the link is dead. Any update on the status?
Thanks - look forward to seeing your comparison.
Cheers from SF
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 20:46:19
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Whooooops! Sorry guys! My bad. I screwed up some domain stuff I've been shuffling around on different servers. I will update this thread when the page is live again with the proper URL.....
Apologies again... :)
Best, Eratu
P.S.: And yes, I need to spend some time on the new features from Justin. He's too dang fast for me. I have been spending some time with Live 7 and I want to add that to the list as well...
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 21:02:43
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Many thanks!
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/21 22:24:09
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ORIGINAL: garrigus
The Atari ST was an awesome machine. Actually, I should say IS an awesome machine because I still have mine and it still works. Complete with Dr.T's KCS software.
I've still got my Dr. T's KCS running on an Amiga 1000. At the time I always thought the Amiga graphics were unbeliveable but when I boot it up now I'm stunned by how primitive it was.
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/22 08:30:52
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The Atari ST was an awesome machine. Actually, I should say IS an awesome machine because I still have mine and it still works. Complete with Dr.T's KCS software.
I've still got my Dr. T's KCS running on an Amiga 1000. At the time I always thought the Amiga graphics were unbeliveable but when I boot it up now I'm stunned by how primitive it was.
Peter, Yeah, I know what you mean. I remember a lot of good times working with the Atari, but when I look at it now I wonder how I ever got anything done. Compared to today's PCs, it's such a dinosaur. But it's still a cool piece of technology, especially since it has built-in audio and built-in MIDI, even a built-in TV out port.  Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series. Get Sonar 7 Power & Sound Forge 8 Power - Today! Go to: http://www.garrigus.com/ - http://www.musictechshop.com/ - http://www.cooltechshop.com/ Publisher of DigiFreq - free music technology newsletter. Win a free SoundTech Vocal Trainer Package, go to: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ Publisher of NewTechReview - free consumer technology newsletter. Win a free i2i Stream Wireless Music Pack, go to: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/22 08:58:32
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The URL to the comparison does not appear to be working?
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
2008/07/22 09:51:22
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Yes, the URL doesn't work... see my post earlier... my screw up -- will be fixing the URL soon! Sorry about that!
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - Sonar, Cubase and Reaper compared
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RE: The Giant DAW MIDI Comparison Page - last question
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Hi, Eratu,
Great job! But I have the last question: Which, Sonar or Cubase, is the better for a professional musician and a amateur sound engineer?
I have used Sonar for years, however, the sales of my music shop is trying to convince me to change to Cubase.
I knew, I am asking you to tell me: Which, apple or banana, is the better? I just need to know.
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