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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 13:57:44
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:08:31
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:09:37
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So are you saying those songs don;t sound good?
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:09:50
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Because your comment is FOS
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:11:30
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Please post one of yours that you mastered
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:14:01
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irvin But LANDR does NOT have a "good set of ears" that you claim are needed for making the "necessary tweaks needed to restore spectral balance" (whatever that means...lol...) I never claimed LANDR had a good set of ears. I claimed it did analysis, and hopefully you have run the experiments I detailed so you know that claim is true. FYI spectral balance is a common term. Here's a definition from the Science and Engineering Encyclopedia.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:18:01
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My comments were not directed at you Craig. And I did do tests and I KNOW LANDR is more than just Anyone can instantly obtain LANDR-quality results by slapping a Dynamic EQ and Limiter combo on the master channel of any DAW (including Reaper, the one being used by LANDR scientists last time they had a public demo) and tweaking to taste for about 15 seconds." That in ignorant way of looking at new advanced technology. Digital audio at its core is "artificial" WHat does 15 seconds have to do with anything? 15 second in a computer is literally an eternity and can perform more operations in 15 seconds and make more decisons than a human can in a lifetime so that is just a dumbass statement by whoever made it. People are writing from their heads and not their ears
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 14:46:26
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stxx My comments were not directed at you Craig. No worries, I knew that. I was replying to Irvin's comment. I'll go back and put the quote in so there's no confusion.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 15:17:11
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2016/03/08 15:55:45
and he is now gone. hopefully we can all get a long and have professional convo's. musicians are passionate people but there has to be that fine line of respecting someone's opinion or not respecting it but ignoring it instead.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/08 21:46:57
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stxx So are you saying those songs don;t sound good?
I don't think they sound good.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 03:43:34
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The first link keeps breaking off here. Second one is not of a genre I generally listen to but I can appreciate the quality of the mix.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 06:01:05
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 06:10:42
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People say you don;t have the ability to make many changes in LANDR. Thats its point. The intelligence, while somewhat generic, is build ion and while it doesn;t give you the total professional result of Bob Katz, you get a VERY consistent very good result based on many many computed decisions and based on much "previous experience". This thread should end as there will always be people that are aftraid or who will resist new technology and think a human is always better but there is a lot of mediocrity in the world, and mastering is no exception. Also, for the record, Medicine is also done the same way, people are treated everyday for serious illnesses and conditions by software made up of AI concepts, actual surgery is performed by robots that make similar types of decisions as LANDR. If you don't think its apples to apples, from a software point of view, it is., Artificial Intelligence is new, complex and to some, obviously scary but its here to stay. Here is an entire project being mastered by LANDR. My links change cause the mixes are still being tweaked so here is the whole folder as it is today It may not be your style but you really can't argue that these songs don't mostly sound great regardless and the mastering isn't going to make or break them. ITS THE MIX THAT MATTERS MOST! http://allenlind.com/BB/
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 18:54:07
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/03/10 11:14:57
So what's the general consensus on LANDR? Kinda cool or not so much? Yes, I just poked the bear. Sorry, couldn't resist. Wow, lots of REALLY strong opinions on this one. Say what you will about musicians, but we're certainly not an apathetic bunch! Personally, this is my favorite post from the entire thread: tenfoot But I have never ordered a penis enlarger for anyone, yet all the time I get........no wait........ forget it:)
We must be on the same mailing list.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 18:56:26
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streckfus We must be on the same mailing list.
Is that some sort of plugin ?
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 19:28:20
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streckfus Wow, lots of REALLY strong opinions on this one.
But also some misinformation, so tread carefully.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/09 19:49:54
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Anderton
streckfus Wow, lots of REALLY strong opinions on this one.
But also some misinformation, so tread carefully.
Yeah, I know. I guess I fail to see what all the fuss is about. It's not hurting anyone by existing. If it works for some, great. If not, great. To each his own. I've yet to use any of the style dials or loop libraries, but I have them installed, because you never know. On the other hand, I use the aux tracks and Addictive Drums all the time. I for one think Cakewalk has done a great job of catering to a wide range of users.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/10 00:05:58
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stxx http://allenlind.com/BB/03%20STARE%20AT%20THE%20DEVIL.mp3 Link fixed. Also to the person that said it doesn't sound good - here is a link that works. YOu may not like the song but it sounds real good!
I poked around your u tube and caught a couple of your videos where you were doing drum solo's ... nice stuff and playing I tell you what , You got some fast hands , I wouldn't want to tell you too your face that your music didn't sound good ...not while you are holding a pair of sticks all the best, Kenny
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/10 09:07:02
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stxx Also to the person that said it doesn't sound good - here is a link that works. YOu may not like the song but it sounds real good!
I agree with Kenny. Nice sounding stuff. I like "Stare At The Devil" best. Listened to it a couple of times.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/10 12:59:45
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kennywtelejazz
stxx http://allenlind.com/BB/03%20STARE%20AT%20THE%20DEVIL.mp3 Link fixed. Also to the person that said it doesn't sound good - here is a link that works. YOu may not like the song but it sounds real good!
I poked around your u tube and caught a couple of your videos where you were doing drum solo's ... nice stuff and playing  I tell you what , You got some fast hands , I wouldn't want to tell you too your face that your music didn't sound good ...not while you are holding a pair of sticks  all the best, Kenny
I agree. Very good drumming. And Allen seems to be a very nice person. But I did not like the sound of those tracks.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/11 07:51:12
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/03/11 11:48:57
stxx ...The intelligence, while somewhat generic, is build ion and while it doesn;t give you the total professional result of Bob Katz, you get a VERY consistent very good result based on many many computed decisions and based on much "previous experience". This thread should end as there will always be people that are aftraid or who will resist new technology and think a human is always better but there is a lot of mediocrity in the world, and mastering is no exception.
That made me wonder... How many SONAR users (or DAW users in general), on this thread or otherwise, are able to consistently produce results equal to Bob Katz? I don't think LANDR is unique in this respect.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/11 22:01:16
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https://youtu.be/jyaahCldgeI I made a video comparing LANDR MP3 track with my own MP3 track with the levels set comparably. Audio quality of youtube may be insufficient, but I tried.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/12 04:15:05
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stevec
stxx ...The intelligence, while somewhat generic, is build ion and while it doesn;t give you the total professional result of Bob Katz, you get a VERY consistent very good result based on many many computed decisions and based on much "previous experience". This thread should end as there will always be people that are aftraid or who will resist new technology and think a human is always better but there is a lot of mediocrity in the world, and mastering is no exception.
That made me wonder... How many SONAR users (or DAW users in general), on this thread or otherwise, are able to consistently produce results equal to Bob Katz? I don't think LANDR is unique in this respect.
This made me chuckle. Thanks for that, Steve.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/15 11:32:04
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Now I see LANDR in the windows explorer:( So it's not just integrated in Sonar but windows as well. The reality sets in. If I don't use the service, is there a security concern, since using it would also update the program? I would have made the LANDR service a web service. Log into your LANDR acct, upload your audio, and get your master. Bing bang boom? Everything done in a browser. Less muss and fuss. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/15 12:12:09
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kzmaier Now I see LANDR in the windows explorer:( So it's not just integrated in Sonar but windows as well. The reality sets in. If I don't use the service, is there a security concern, since using it would also update the program? I would have made the LANDR service a web service. Log into your LANDR acct, upload your audio, and get your master. Bing bang boom? Everything done in a browser. Less muss and fuss. Just my 2 cents.
I believe that it is the Export (to LANDR) folder for SONAR. All the best.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/15 20:45:07
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kzmaier Now I see LANDR in the windows explorer:( So it's not just integrated in Sonar but windows as well. The reality sets in. If I don't use the service, is there a security concern, since using it would also update the program? I would have made the LANDR service a web service. Log into your LANDR acct, upload your audio, and get your master. Bing bang boom? Everything done in a browser. Less muss and fuss. Just my 2 cents.
There is a web app AND a desktop app. Actually I find the desktop app easier and quicker to use than the web app.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/16 06:58:43
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I've tried LANDR (free) on 2 mixes. I chose the highest level of mastering. Here are the + and the - : + After reading some posts here, I was expecting an awful result. It's not the case. I don't feel betrayed, my work remains my work... I think that LANDR cut some bass frequencies and it was right. My mix was too bass-heavy. The final result is good. - LANDR maybe added too much brilliance to the sound. Maybe just a question of taste. And that can be fixed we further equalization. It was difficult to achieve the process, because the server sometimes seemed not to respond. There are not many settings. There are no advices, except when your file has not a big headroom, it is refused. That's what I would actually expect: after uploading, LANDR would tell me the potential problems and then I could master or return to my mix to improve it before. For example I never know if my mix has enough bass (a good idea for a new SONAR plugin?), I compare with reference tracks and use Analyst but that's not easy. Big problem for me: I haven't found how to delete my tracks from the server. I don't want them to stay there forever, for security reasons. It's a question of property rights, but maybe I have to search again how to do this. The pricing / the offer : I'm not convinced. The free low-res MP3 are of decent quality. But we should at least be able to try the high-res WAV quality once on a track, or every time on a part of a track. Otherwise it's difficult to make a decision. And by the way... the "high-res" WAV format is 16 bit / 44,1 kHz. Is it a joke? You can see that I found more - than +. However I think that LANDR is an interesting addition to SONAR. If the pricing, the resolution and some other things were changed, I may use it and could save much time when mastering. And it is certainly an excellent tool for SONAR Artist / Professional customers and people who don't know anything about mastering. I will wait for improvements to decide whether I want to use it regularly or not.
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/16 23:52:38
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/03/17 02:20:57
ebibault51 ...However I think that LANDR is an interesting addition to SONAR. If the pricing, the resolution and some other things were changed, I may use it and could save much time when mastering. And it is certainly an excellent tool for SONAR Artist / Professional customers and people who don't know anything about mastering. I will wait for improvements to decide whether I want to use it regularly or not.
+1 I think that's a fairly accurate and neutral summation without all the hand-wringing and angst...
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/21 07:19:51
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Can anyone tell me how to purchase additional/high res masters once you have used your allotted two freebies? I am on the free plan. And once I used my two freebies, I can not see/figure out how to purchase anything! HAs anyone else on the free plan tried to purchase anything from them ?
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Re: The LANDR Thread
2016/03/21 07:52:10
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You will have to log into their web site IRRC, Michael. It is not supported yet in the desktop app, I believe. All the best.
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