The Official Staff View enhancement thread now with summary!

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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/10 04:11:41 (permalink)
If this *is* going to be the official, concise, Staff View Enhancement thread for Cakewalk to read, then let's keep it concise, clear, and consolidated. In other words, let's only post our staff view enhancement ideas, and keep the pro/anti notation discussions and "what's the purpose of this thread" dialogue out of it -- there are lots of notation threads for those discussions. On that note...


GOALS

  • Improvements to staff view's visual display and editing workflow for musicians who "think" in notation (NOT the development of full-featured notation/engraving/score-printing capabilities).
  • Improved import/export or more advanced interaction between Sibelius/Finale.


SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION:
(I am not a programmer but I imagine that several of these would be very simple to implement. Others may be nearly impossible)

Improved accuracy of on-screen notation, conforming to musical conventions

  • Better handling of triplets and other tuplets, especially when they include a rest, tie, or mixed note types (quarter-eighth triplet)
  • "Quantize Notation (without altering MIDI data)" -- essentially a beefed-up enhancement of the "fill/trim durations" and "display resolution" features, which works on a SELECTION rather than globally.
  • "Adjust Display Notation" (without altering MIDI data)" -- when the beefed-up "Quantize Notation" doesn't do the trick, edit the on-screen notation by hand. Ideally with some kind of intelligent "apply adjusted notation to all similar rhythms in project"


Improved editing within staff view

  • Include note values alongside "ticks" in right-click PROPERTIES/DURATION and PROCESS | LENGTH
  • Include (customizable) dynamic levels (p, mf, f, etc.) in right-click PROPERTIES/VELOCITY and PROCESS | SCALE VELOCITY
  • Include interval names (m3, M6, P5) in PROCESS | Transpose
  • Staff View Editing tools akin to recent PRV enhancements -- some identical (glue, split, etc.), some specific to notation (one-click enharmonic respelling of single note or multi-selection, etc.
  • Quick change-duration -- drag a note left/right while holding a certain key/click combination (a la PRV tool enhancements) and have it scroll through smaller/larger note values (obeying snap-to) -- ideally with toggles for "adjust display only" / "adjust display and playback." (nondestructive, display can be reverted to original)
  • Quick-adjust dynamics -- drag a note up/down while holding a certain key/click combination (a la PRV tool enhancements) to adjust a customizable MIDI value (default velocity) -- customizable per project, per track, to accomodate mixing of sample libraries.
  • Quick-adjust enharmonic spelling - "respell" button and key-click combination for instant respell of C# to Db, for example. Add a modifier key for double-flat/sharp. Some kind of multi-select or find-replace option to perform the same operation on all C#'s notes in a selection or project.
  • When drag-copying/moving a passage of music higher or lower to new pitches, include option to copy it diatonically (new pitches within the same key) or chromatically (same exact intervals, with accidentals if necessary). I used to be able to do this with some combination of CTRL or SHIFT and my right mouse button, but this seems to have disappeared)
  • When drag-copying/moving notes, show shadow-notes snapping to new locations in real-time during the drag (instead of just a square cursor). With the current method it is difficult to pinpoint the exact destination in a drag-copy unless you watch the location readout at the top of the staff view -- and even then you have to translate from ppq in your head.
  • Customizable (per-project, per-track) Symbol-to-MIDI links-- User can set ff symbol to alter velocity or CC7 to 127, can set staccato symbol to trim a certain % of length, can set a crescendo symbol to draw a linear CC connecting two points. All nondestructive and over-rideable per-instance.


Improved import/export or interaction with major Notation software
(Listed in order from "Bare Minimum" to "Holy Grail," and probably also from simplest-implementation to damn-near-impossible to implement).

  • MusicXML import/export for improved transfer to/from notation software.
  • Rudimentary Sibelius/Finale import/export which IGNORES but DOES NOT DESTROY Sib/Fin-specific data. This way a user with a marked-up Sib/Fin score can import into SONAR for tweaking, then re-export without losing all of your Sib/Fin markings, layout, etc.
  • Some kind of "External Editor" option, similar to Tools Menu integration of external audio editors. Within a SONAR project, choose "Open Score in External Editor" to open up Sibelius/Finale -- "Update Changes in SONAR" when finished editing. Ignore but retain Sib/Fin-specific data (markings, spacing, layout) for later expor
  • Rewire-ish bridge for hosting Sibelius/Finale within SONAR. Note events are linked so drag/move/copy/paste in one application instantly performs the equivalent operation in the other application. App-specific data remains attached to the notes (markings/articulations in Sibelius, CC data and PRV fine-tuning in SONAR). Playback of linked tracks can be handled by SONAR I/O or by Sibelius internal sounds, toggled by user per-track.
  • Complete and total 2-way synchronization between SONAR and Sib/Fin, perhaps with a new hybrid file format -- all application-specific data is retained so files can be transferred back-and-forth between the programs without losing Fin/Sib visual edits or SONAR MIDI tweaks. Checkbox matrix in "Preferences" listing all musical/MIDI elements (dynamics, markings, velocity, cc data, etc.) with individual toggles for "Handled by Sibelius/Finale" or "Handled by SONAR" -- non-destructive, can switch freely between the two toggled choices.

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/10 04:17:03 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Qwerty69


ORIGINAL: jsg

For those that don't need, want or use notation, no problem. Sonar still has powerful audio tools. It won't take anything away from those users at all.



Except for the development time taking away from further enhancements, expansions and fixes for those audio tools...

I want a pony too.

Q.



Well that's the thing, you know.

Willy's suggestion/invitation to start a thread needs to be read in the context of Alex's comment last week. There is NO necessary contradiction between the two, but if that context is lost, this thread could start feeling like a wish list with expectations for near term actions. Only disappointment can follow.

Aren't I a ray of sunshine?

I happen to believe that CW knows how important SV is to their users, AND also how important it actually is as a competitive matter, AND what different degrees of notation implementation would involve, AND what the balance between these and other factors should be. The best clue we've seen of that, however incomplete it was, was Alex's comment. I don't see how Willy's post, welcomed as it might have been, changes much. (It's not as though Alex completely wrote off a notation upgrade at some point, but Willy wrote it back in.)

post edited by Marah - 2009/06/10 04:27:53
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/10 05:13:47 (permalink)
In terms of display options, it would be nice to be able to select the display color of the notes and the background color as well in the staff view, as is possible in the other views in Sonar.

Jim
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/10 09:11:29 (permalink)
...what Marah said...

That's why I suggested short-term versus long-term Staff View Love (SVL).

If there is some "low hanging fruit" which can be easily addressed, it would go a long way.

IMHO, SV users would see that they have not been forgotten, and the wait for new more complex enhancements would be more tolerable.
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/10 12:02:00 (permalink)
* An articulations lane
* Ability to map articulations to expressions
* Ability to bind the mouse wheel to the selected (or multi-selected) note pitch. E.g. click on a note, mouse wheel up raises the pitch, down lowers.
* Select-and-tie function
* Ability to bind mouse buttons to drop pre-selected note types. E.g. My mouse has 5 buttons. I bind one to quarter note, one to eight note, etc. Combined with the 'bind mousewheel to pitch', you could learn to 'touch-type' your mouse for notation.
* Triplets (you've heard that before :) )
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/10 16:21:02 (permalink)



  • Edit bar lines, double bar, repeat section bar, etc
  • Set split point for bass/treble clef and quantise resolution per clip
  • Of course the triplets have to work
  • Multi rests


(CallMEZoot - Good post.)

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 04:38:50 (permalink)
Hi John-

This went from "The Oficial SV enhacment thread!" to "The Official Staff View enhacnement thread!". An improvement? I dunno. C'mon, John, help us out here and edit the subject title, please! Every time I see it I think we're talking about skins!

Oh, and +1 to CallMeZoots and loydb's posts.

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 05:09:56 (permalink)
Call me dyslexic.

Best
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 05:28:21 (permalink)
Call me dyslexic.

I will if you like, but why? I think it was just a simple typo: enhacnement for enhancement.

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 10:35:16 (permalink)
I agree with CallMeZoot - keep this to a list, rather than bantor:

What a great list that I don't think I can add to, but give anything in it a +1

btw: Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit funny that the title has now changed to have TWO misspellings in it?

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 10:41:48 (permalink)
Set split point for bass/treble clef


+ 1

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 14:59:58 (permalink)
Hi Blades-
btw: Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit funny that the title has now changed to have TWO misspellings in it?

No. See posts #37 & 39!

Perhaps I'm on your block list?

-Susan

Edit: By George, he's got it! Thanks, John!
post edited by Susan G - 2009/06/11 17:35:43

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 15:04:27 (permalink)
Already there:
ORIGINAL: g_randybrown

Set split point for bass/treble clef


+ 1

We've been able to do that for as long as I can remember. Open Staff View Layout (default shortcut "L") and set the Split Point wherever you'd like!

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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 15:47:57 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Susan G

Already there:
ORIGINAL: g_randybrown

Set split point for bass/treble clef


+ 1

We've been able to do that for as long as I can remember. Open Staff View Layout (default shortcut "L") and set the Split Point wherever you'd like!

-Susan

ummmm....oh...I guess I was just reading the original posters comment and thought...."well yeah, you gotta be able to split the left and right hand correctly for a piano part if that's not already an option".
I also think I was remembering back when I was taking theory and we were having to do notation on Sibelius and I was wanting to use Pro Audio 9 being more familiar with it...it seems it didn't have that option but I could be wrong.
But you're right I just opened the SV layout....it would be hard to miss.
Thanks Susan,
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RE: The Official Staff View enhacnement thread! 2009/06/11 19:59:36 (permalink)
My requests have been more than clearly expressed in other posts, so I will just say Thanks to John for starting this thread.

I support making staff view enhancements a high priority. It is really the only reason I would upgrade at this point.

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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 20:11:43 (permalink)
Synced SV with Piano-Roll and Controllers lanes: Screenshot: http://stashbox.org/527385/Idea02.jpg


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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 20:16:57 (permalink)
I would've thought that would be this one, with 3,573 hits already!


And THIS one too!

Started 9/21/2007
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 20:18:29 (permalink)
NOTATION FEATURES we'd LOVE to have in SONAR 8!

Thanks Cakewalk for the vast midi improvements in Sonar 7.

Since not much of our Notation/Staff requests were addressed in S7, hopefully this thread will serve as a guideline to the notation features we would LOVE to have in S8.

My requests are:

1. QWERTY KEYBOARD NOTE ENTRY : By default, typing A in the keyboard would input A below middle C, and on upwards for the other note names. To input a chord, one can press Shift and the corresponding notes. For example, to input CMaj7, one would press Shift>C,E,G,B on the qwerty keyboard. To change to a note to a different octave, press Control + Up/Down arrow.

Pressing the key "X", would input a rest of the corresponding note value chosen.

2. UP/DOWN ARROWS TO TRANSPOSE NOTES: Select a note, a chord, or group of notes, and use the up/down arrows to transpose chromatically up or down. Pressing Alt + Up/Down arrow would change to the equivalent enharmonic spelling. For example, if we have the note C, and we transpose that a half step up, if Sonar displays C#, then the shift would let Sonar display a Db.

3. CHANGING NOTE DURATIONS VIA RIGHT CLICK. Right click a note, or a chord, then a drop down box will show other note durations possible for that note. If increasing a note's duration value causes a measure overflow, Sonar will give us an option to delete the extra note values in that bar or carry them over to the next bar.

4. BAR SPECIFIC DISPLAY RESOLUTION: Aside from the global Display Resolution setting, if we select a bar or group or bars and right click, the options should include changing the display resolution for that section of music. Good when writing music with swing eights and triplets.

5. VELOCITY LANE VIEW. Display the velocity values of the notes shown in Staff view in a controller lane (similar to PRV) so that we can also draw velocity curves in Staff view.

6. CHORD INPUT: Click to just type in a chord symbol. Sonar should not automatically input the previous chord.

8. EXPRESSION MARKS, AND MORE: Please add legato, slurs, staccatto, tenuto, attack, etc. to the expression marks available. It would be great if adding a legato marking to a group of bars would increase the midi lengths of those notes by about 5-10%. LIkewise, a staccatto mark would decrease midi length by 20%, etc. Or adding a slide marking between two notes would input a portamento effect.

These expression marks and corresponding midi length changes should be user definable.

9. DYNAMIC MARKS, AND MORE: Input dynamic markings for note, notes, bar, or group of bars with corresponding midi velocity values. For example, if we choose a section of music and designate fff for that, Sonar would change the velocity values of all the notes to 127. Likewise, a section with a dynamic marking of ppp would have a midi valu of maybe 50.

These dynamic marks and corresponding midi values should be user definable.

10. COPYING CHORDS, EXPRESSION, DYNAMIC MARKINGS, ETC.: It should be possible to copy just chord symbols, expression and/or dynamic markings from one section of a staff to another section of another staff or staves, either by Contol+C, Control+V, or by drag and drop.

11. TRIPLETS/TUPLETS input and editing: This feature need a lot of improvements.

12. STAFF STYLES FOR TRANSPOSING INSTRUMENTS: Midi playback of transposing instruments remain in concert pitch, but there is the option to display the staff when transposed or written for that instrument.

For example, for a Bb Tenor Sax, the concert pitch middle C4 would appear in the staff view as D5 if the Bb Tenor Sax staff style is applied to the Tenor Sax staff. This would be a great feature when checking that the score is within the practical range of that instrument. Also great for printing out the part for a live performer.

13. PRINTING: We should be able to change the spacing between staves, and the number of staves to be printed on a page,
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 20:26:48 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Susan G

Hi John-

Not a SV improvement, per se, but "The Official SV enhacnement thread!" could definitely be improved!

I would've thought that would be this one, with 3,573 hits already!

There's plenty to summarize from there. Do you plan to grab from that and similar threads, or would it be easier for you if we re-post here what we've already said there and elsewhere?


But Flaming John didn't start that thread. So he felt small and out of the loop. He wants to feel big. Big man on forum.

;)

I'm just talkin trash Johnny
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 21:42:37 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: vicsant

I would've thought that would be this one, with 3,573 hits already!


And THIS one too!

Started 9/21/2007


Wow, that's depressing - almost two years old!!!

I suspect the only thing which has changed since then is the legacy SV code has aged.

I'm speculating (sorry - it's my nature) that any changes to the SV will be part of a significant future project to re-write the entire notation sub-system of Sonar. Thank goodness Cakewalk are able to continue to integrate it into the current Sonar code base!!!
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 22:44:27 (permalink)
+1 CallMeZoot

Notation enhancements should have a high Priority - please save me money by not forcing a switch to Mac and Logic
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/11 23:19:22 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: pbognar

I'm speculating (sorry - it's my nature) that any changes to the SV will be part of a significant future project to re-write the entire notation sub-system of Sonar. Thank goodness Cakewalk are able to continue to integrate it into the current Sonar code base!!!


I agree with this 95%. The 5% difference is that a new or updated SV offering from CW won't come through a rewrite of Sonar's notation system, but as part of a new post-Sonar codebase and product. For those who really really really want to see significant SV updates in the the current Sonar, I hope I'm wrong. But, given that Sonar got where it is today even with underdeveloped SV, and given that several other features that are (I think it's fair to say) more central to hardcore DAW functionality than notation also need upgrading, or even an initial implementation, it only makes sense that any new development resources that CW puts into the current Sonar codebase will go to one of those features before notation.

I'm not being anti-notation. I'm just reading tea leaves as I see them.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 17:04:29 (permalink)
Summery of Notation fixes and features.

This has to be the number issue. Thus it was submitted by almost all.

1. Resolve the handling of triplets, including rests and ties.

Submitted by Pbognar;

2. The ability to print with the triplet handling issues resolved.

3. The replaying of chords each time a note in said chord is moved to a new pitch (ala Logic).

4. A MIDI edit view where one has the option to view data simultaneously in notation, piano roll, and controllers (or any combination there of) (ala Samplitude).

5. The translation of articulation symbols into MIDI data (ala Cubase).

Submitted by Guitarpima;

6. More than triplets. 5's, 7's, ETC.

7. If were going to print these, proper markings would be nice. For that though, there would have to be a page view with the ability to put in repeats and codas and things like that.

8. More subdivisions up to 64th notes.

Subitted by Marce and others;

9. Synced Staff View with Piano-Roll and Controllers lanes: Show the controller lanes on the SV. Make the controller lanes editable with in the SV.

10. The Mapping of expressions is already in Finale, Sibelius, and Overture. Cubase extend from the Staff View to the Piano Roll. (and is a brilliant idea!)

11. Quantize per staff/track: separated settings in a same Staff view (already in samplitude)

12. StaffView&TrackView: The only original idea/thing i hasnt seen in other host, is to sync the Staff View with the Track View. I dont know if is a good idea, but i would like to see something like that.

Submitted by Bmdaustin;

12. Activate vertical scrolling - surely that can't be too programmer intensive?

13. Fix what you broke in the transition from 7 to 8. In 7 there are track status boxes (Mute, Solo, etc.) on the right side of the screen. Clicking on a status box made that track the "active" track. That functionality was lost in 8. Now I have to switch back and forth (again) from Staff View to Track to View to select a new active track and then back to Staff View to see where I was and what I was doing.

Submitted by John:
14. I would like to have stave wrap. As in word wrap.


Submitted by Jsg;

15. Program a MIDI command that allows the musician to lasso (select) a group of notes in staff view and then apply contrary motion (with a checkbox for diatonic or chromatic).
Fix the bug in which the right-hand pane of instrument tracks doesn't conform to the order of the staves in the notation area.

16. Investigate if retrograde works correctly when selecting groups of notes, particularly groups of notes across bar lines.

17. Make it simple to change a given pitch's (or group of pitches) enharmonic equivalent. For example, in Sibelius, to change an F# to a G-flat just click on note and press enter. Something like that.

Submitted by CallMeZoot;

18. Include note values alongside "ticks" in right-click PROPERTIES/DURATION and PROCESS | LENGTH

19. Include (customizable) dynamic levels (p, mf, f, etc.) in right-click PROPERTIES/VELOCITY and PROCESS SCALE VELOCITY

20. Include interval names (m3, M6, P5) in PROCESS | Transpose

21. Staff View Editing tools akin to recent PRV enhancements -- some identical (glue, split, etc.), some specific to notation (one-click enharmonic respelling of single note or multi-selection, etc.

22. Quick change-duration -- drag a note left/right while holding a certain key/click combination (a la PRV tool enhancements) and have it scroll through smaller/larger note values (obeying snap-to) -- ideally with toggles for "adjust display only" / "adjust display and playback." (nondestructive, display can be reverted to original)

23. Quick-adjust dynamics -- drag a note up/down while holding a certain key/click combination (a la PRV tool enhancements) to adjust a customizable MIDI value (default velocity) -- customizable per project, per track, to accommodate mixing of sample libraries.

24. Quick-adjust inharmonic spelling - "respell" button and key-click combination for instant respell of C# to Db, for example. Add a modifier key for double-flat/sharp. Some kind of multi-select or find-replace option to perform the same operation on all C#'s notes in a selection or project.

25. When drag-copying/moving a passage of music higher or lower to new pitches, include option to copy it diatonically (new pitches within the same key) or chromatically (same exact intervals, with accidentals if necessary). I used to be able to do this with some combination of CTRL or SHIFT and my right mouse button, but this seems to have disappeared)
When drag-copying/moving notes, show shadow-notes snapping to new locations in real-time during the drag (instead of just a square cursor). With the current method it is difficult to pinpoint the exact destination in a drag-copy unless you watch the location readout at the top of the staff view -- and even then you have to translate from ppq in your head.

26. Customizable (per-project, per-track) Symbol-to-MIDI links-- User can set ff symbol to alter velocity or CC7 to 127, can set staccato symbol to trim a certain % of length, can set a crescendo symbol to draw a linear CC connecting two points. All nondestructive and over-rideable per-instance.

27. MusicXML import/export for improved transfer to/from notation software.

28. Rudimentary Sibelius/Finale import/export which IGNORES but DOES NOT DESTROY Sib/Fin-specific data. This way a user with a marked-up Sib/Fin score can import into SONAR for tweaking, then re-export without losing all of your Sib/Fin markings, layout, etc.

29. Some kind of "External Editor" option, similar to Tools Menu integration of external audio editors. Within a SONAR project, choose "Open Score in External Editor" to open up Sibelius/Finale -- "Update Changes in SONAR" when finished editing. Ignore but retain Sib/Fin-specific data (markings, spacing, layout) for later export

30. Rewire-ish bridge for hosting Sibelius/Finale within SONAR. Note events are linked so drag/move/copy/paste in one application instantly performs the equivalent operation in the other application. App-specific data remains attached to the notes (markings/articulations in Sibelius, CC data and PRV fine-tuning in SONAR). Playback of linked tracks can be handled by SONAR I/O or by Sibelius internal sounds, toggled by user per-track.

31. Complete and total 2-way synchronization between SONAR and Sib/Fin, perhaps with a new hybrid file format -- all application-specific data is retained so files can be transferred back-and-forth between the programs without losing Fin/Sib visual edits or SONAR MIDI tweaks. Checkbox matrix in "Preferences" listing all musical/MIDI elements (dynamics, markings, velocity, cc data, etc.) with individual toggles for "Handled by Sibelius/Finale" or "Handled by SONAR" -- non-destructive, can switch freely between the two toggled choices.

32. In terms of display options, it would be nice to be able to select the display color of the notes and the background color as well in the staff view, as is possible in the other views in Sonar.

Submitted by loydb;

33. An articulations lane

34. Ability to map articulations to expressions

35. Ability to bind the mouse wheel to the selected (or multi-selected) note pitch. E.g. click on a note, mouse wheel up raises the pitch, down lowers.

36. Select-and-tie function

37. Ability to bind mouse buttons to drop pre-selected note types. E.g. My mouse has 5 buttons. I bind one to quarter note, one to eight note, etc. Combined with the 'bind mousewheel to pitch', you could learn to 'touch-type' your mouse for notation.

38. Triplets (you've heard that before :) )

Submitted by LarryAlex;

39. Make it easier to enter notes with a mouse. As it is now, entering an accidental with a mouse is a very clumsy procedure.

Submitted by Vicsant;

40. QWERTY KEYBOARD NOTE ENTRY : By default, typing A in the keyboard would input A below middle C, and on upwards for the other note names. To input a chord, one can press Shift and the corresponding notes. For example, to input CMaj7, one would press Shift>C,E,G,B on the qwerty keyboard. To change to a note to a different octave, press Control + Up/Down arrow.

41. Pressing the key "X", would input a rest of the corresponding note value chosen.

42. UP/DOWN ARROWS TO TRANSPOSE NOTES: Select a note, a chord, or group of notes, and use the up/down arrows to transpose chromatically up or down. Pressing Alt + Up/Down arrow would change to the equivalent enharmonic spelling. For example, if we have the note C, and we transpose that a half step up, if Sonar displays C#, then the shift would let Sonar display a Db.

43. CHANGING NOTE DURATIONS VIA RIGHT CLICK. Right click a note, or a chord, then a drop down box will show other note durations possible for that note. If increasing a note's duration value causes a measure overflow, Sonar will give us an option to delete the extra note values in that bar or carry them over to the next bar.

44. BAR SPECIFIC DISPLAY RESOLUTION: Aside from the global Display Resolution setting, if we select a bar or group or bars and right click, the options should include changing the display resolution for that section of music. Good when writing music with swing eights and triplets.

45. VELOCITY LANE VIEW. Display the velocity values of the notes shown in Staff view in a controller lane (similar to PRV) so that we can also draw velocity curves in Staff view.

46. CHORD INPUT: Click to just type in a chord symbol. Sonar should not automatically input the previous chord.

47. EXPRESSION MARKS, AND MORE: Please add legato, slurs, staccatto, tenuto, attack, etc. to the expression marks available. It would be great if adding a legato marking to a group of bars would increase the midi lengths of those notes by about 5-10%. LIkewise, a staccatto mark would decrease midi length by 20%, etc. Or adding a slide marking between two notes would input a portamento effect.

These expression marks and corresponding midi length changes should be user definable.

48. DYNAMIC MARKS, AND MORE: Input dynamic markings for note, notes, bar, or group of bars with corresponding midi velocity values. For example, if we choose a section of music and designate fff for that, Sonar would change the velocity values of all the notes to 127. Likewise, a section with a dynamic marking of ppp would have a midi valu of maybe 50.

These dynamic marks and corresponding midi values should be user definable.

49. COPYING CHORDS, EXPRESSION, DYNAMIC MARKINGS, ETC.: It should be possible to copy just chord symbols, expression and/or dynamic markings from one section of a staff to another section of another staff or staves, either by Contol+C, Control+V, or by drag and drop.

50. TRIPLETS/TUPLETS input and editing: This feature need a lot of improvements.

51. STAFF STYLES FOR TRANSPOSING INSTRUMENTS: Midi playback of transposing instruments remain in concert pitch, but there is the option to display the staff when transposed or written for that instrument.

For example, for a Bb Tenor Sax, the concert pitch middle C4 would appear in the staff view as D5 if the Bb Tenor Sax staff style is applied to the Tenor Sax staff. This would be a great feature when checking that the score is within the practical range of that instrument. Also great for printing out the part for a live performer.

52. PRINTING: We should be able to change the spacing between staves, and the number of staves to be printed on a page,

Submitted by Susan G

53. Hide muted clips in SV (same as the option in PRV).

Please go over this list for errors and corrections.

I must make a comment here. Outstanding ideas. Thank you all. This list is in the order of posting only.
post edited by John - 2009/06/13 18:25:38

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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 17:36:28 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: John


30. Rewire-ish bridge for hosting Sibelius/Finale within SONAR. Note events are linked so drag/move/copy/paste in one application instantly performs the equivalent operation in the other application. App-specific data remains attached to the notes (markings/articulations in Sibelius, CC data and PRV fine-tuning in SONAR). Playback of linked tracks can be handled by SONAR I/O or by Sibelius internal sounds, toggled by user per-track.


Sonar already has rewire. Now Sibelius 6 has it also so if you have Sibelius this is already possible.
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 17:39:29 (permalink)


29. Some kind of "External Editor" option, similar to Tools Menu integration of external audio editors. Within a SONAR project, choose "Open Score in External Editor" to open up Sibelius/Finale -- "Update Changes in SONAR" when finished editing. Ignore but retain Sib/Fin-specific data (markings, spacing, layout) for later export




This would not help me at all. I need real time - edit, listen, edit listen...
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 18:15:36 (permalink)
No but it wont harm you either. Real time editing is a given isn't it?

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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 19:05:06 (permalink)
+1 on more than triplets.

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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 19:57:44 (permalink)
Great work on the summary, John!
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 22:28:50 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: vintagevibe


ORIGINAL: John


30. Rewire-ish bridge for hosting Sibelius/Finale within SONAR. Note events are linked so drag/move/copy/paste in one application instantly performs the equivalent operation in the other application. App-specific data remains attached to the notes (markings/articulations in Sibelius, CC data and PRV fine-tuning in SONAR). Playback of linked tracks can be handled by SONAR I/O or by Sibelius internal sounds, toggled by user per-track.


Sonar already has rewire. Now Sibelius 6 has it also so if you have Sibelius this is already possible.



As far as I'm aware, the Sibelius/Sonar Rewire essentially just hosts Sibelius like a VST within SONAR, or perhaps vice versa--it's purely an audio connection. There is no connection between the notated music in Sibelius and SONAR's MIDI data. I could be wrong -- anybody have Sibelius 6 yet?
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RE: The Oficial SV enhacment thread! 2009/06/12 22:40:19 (permalink)
The key word here is rewireish. I think the idea is to have some internal connection between both apps so that they can interact. I don't see this as possible at present. However the idea is a good one.

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