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2010/08/12 00:54:08
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Hey there Randy, Bit, and All,
Just sent my MP3 over, lib used = Miroslav Philharmonik. I'm quite the "noob" but had a blast working on this project.
I ran into several road blocks but stuck with it, figured most things out, and got the job finished. Whew!
I probably spent way-y-y-y more hours on this project than most...but it was totally worth it. I learned a ton.
Miro has some pretty nice sounds but I also don't know what else is out there so I'm really looking forward to hearing other entries and later reading about them or chatting with folks about preferences, etc.
Thanks again for all the work & effort to host this project / contest / experiment!!
~Dan
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2010/08/12 01:57:52
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hi Randy B. my problem now is i can't open the submission page, i don't know where to send my entry.
help please!
You must still be having trouble--? Because I don't have an entry from you.
Randy B.
yes Randy, i still got the same error when i press the link. thanks anyway.
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2010/08/12 04:48:19
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hi Randy B. my problem now is i can't open the submission page, i don't know where to send my entry.
help please!
You must still be having trouble--? Because I don't have an entry from you.
Randy B.
yes Randy, i still got the same error when i press the link.
thanks anyway.
It does not open a page because it is not a link. It is an e-mail address. It will open your send mail window only if you have program such as Windows Live Mail. You can also right click the link with your mouse, copy it, and then paste it, deleting the "mailto:" part, in any kind of mail you use. ^^
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2010/08/12 05:19:15
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I listened to a few last night, and was quite taken aback by the different approaches people have taken.
Another point, I hope we don't end up judging our efforts solely on what the best MP3 algorithm is!!!!!
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2010/08/12 05:47:13
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hi Randy B. my problem now is i can't open the submission page, i don't know where to send my entry.
help please!
You must still be having trouble--? Because I don't have an entry from you.
Randy B.
yes Randy, i still got the same error when i press the link.
thanks anyway.
It does not open a page because it is not a link. It is an e-mail address. It will open your send mail window only if you have program such as Windows Live Mail. You can also right click the link with your mouse, copy it, and then paste it, deleting the "mailto:" part, in any kind of mail you use. ^^
yeah it works! how stupid i am. thank you!
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2010/08/12 10:16:17
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Cae--Glad that got straightened out. Thanks so much, chopin!---Now, I'll be looking for your entry in my email in-box Cae!
Randy B.
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2010/08/12 17:43:18
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Another point, I hope we don't end up judging our efforts solely on what the best MP3 algorithm is!!!!! Some folks inadvertently sent in low-bitrate MP3s but we allowed them to re-do their encoding and resubmit. Hopefully, everyone got the memo and are sending 256kb/s or better now. If you see a "b" appended to a file name, that indicates it's a replacement for an earlier submission. It's good that they're in there, so everyone can clearly hear the difference between two otherwise-identical files that differ only in the bit rate they were encoded at.
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2010/08/12 21:43:42
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DEADLINE AND VOTING INFO:
Bitflipper and I agree that the deadline for entries is at the end of the day, Sunday August 15th. We'll be cutting things off at midnight, West Coast time U.S.
Then follows two weeks of voting. The poll is being set up so that you can vote one time, and you won't be swayed by how the counts are adding up--because those won't be on view.
BUT you choose your THREE favorite entries. And you don't need to indicate first, second, third choice - you'll just tick off the three that grab you the most. It's a great way to do the poll, because from my experience at the Garritan Forum when we have contests, the biggest dilemma people have is in having to choose just one entry. We've taken care of that problem. It can be impossible sometimes to say that you think one recording in particular is The best - So this takes care of that problem. Choose three--and if you're a contestant, nothing's stopping you from giving one of those three votes to yourself! Hey, no problem. Somebody said it first - it's only a fool who doesn't vote for himself!
After the voting period - Then finally the info will be at the Trek site revealing what synths were used in each entry, along with the name of the entrants and whatever notes about the recordings they want to pass along.
SO - lots more action coming up with this event.
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2010/08/12 23:53:00
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Just want to say again, what a great idea this was, and kudos to all the people who have submitted entries. I've really enjoyed listening to the variations.
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2010/08/12 23:55:37
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eratu
Just want to say again, what a great idea this was, and kudos to all the people who have submitted entries. I've really enjoyed listening to the variations.
Thanks, eratu - I appreciate you letting us know you're enjoying this contest. But where's Your entry? It doesn't have to take long to put one together, and if you don't have any other libraries than the ones that are in Sonar - that's still plenty to work with. Go for it. I expect an entry from you by the Sunday night deadline! Randy B.
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2010/08/13 05:07:22
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rbowser
DEADLINE AND VOTING INFO:
Bitflipper and I agree that the deadline for entries is at the end of the day, Sunday August 15th. We'll be cutting things off at midnight, West Coast time U.S.
Then follows two weeks of voting. The poll is being set up so that you can vote one time, and you won't be swayed by how the counts are adding up--because those won't be on view.
BUT you choose your THREE favorite entries. And you don't need to indicate first, second, third choice - you'll just tick off the three that grab you the most. It's a great way to do the poll, because from my experience at the Garritan Forum when we have contests, the biggest dilemma people have is in having to choose just one entry. We've taken care of that problem. It can be impossible sometimes to say that you think one recording in particular is The best - So this takes care of that problem. Choose three--and if you're a contestant, nothing's stopping you from giving one of those three votes to yourself! Hey, no problem. Somebody said it first - it's only a fool who doesn't vote for himself!
After the voting period - Then finally the info will be at the Trek site revealing what synths were used in each entry, along with the name of the entrants and whatever notes about the recordings they want to pass along.
SO - lots more action coming up with this event.
Randy B.
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2010/08/13 10:00:11
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Hi, Chopin - That's right. The end of the contest is Sunday, midnight, GMT-08:00 US and Canada time.
I'm already starting the day with two new entries, and I see two more people have downloaded the materials. Keep it coming folks!
Randy B.
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2010/08/13 10:08:34
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2010/08/13 14:03:29
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As I feared, no Omnisphere! Come on, I know there are a bunch of Omnisphere fans here. Or are you all doing strictly industrial electro hip hop trance lofi techno and want no part in classic orchestral stuff?
I have Omnisphere. Although it does have several nice full-keyboard acoustic string patches it does not have anything that falls into the other orchestral categories. It's really made for non-traditional, other-worldly sounds.
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2010/08/13 14:26:10
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As I feared, no Omnisphere! Come on, I know there are a bunch of Omnisphere fans here. Or are you all doing strictly industrial electro hip hop trance lofi techno and want no part in classic orchestral stuff?
I have Omnisphere. Although it does have several nice full-keyboard acoustic string patches it does not have anything that falls into the other orchestral categories. It's really made for non-traditional, other-worldly sounds.
The question of using Omnisphere for this got me curious. I found a full list of its patches - may not be up to date, but sure enough, I couldn't find one straight traditional instrument in it, and it really would be impossible to do an orchestral emulation with it. Now if you took over the scoring job for CSI - could come in handy: OMNISPHERE PATCH LIST Randy B.
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2010/08/13 18:37:07
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It's true, Omnisphere's strength, like its predecessor's, is with evolving pads. In the brief time I had to play with it, it seemed to me that they'd gone a long way toward broadening its potential applications. There were some very nice orchestral-flavored patches in there, even if they weren't traditional one-instrument voices. There was some nice percussion in there too, which might have worked well for the tympani. I'd still like to hear an Omnisphere rendition, even if Star Trek is a bit of an off-label application.
For that matter, I'd love to hear an ARP 2600 version. That wasn't an orchestral library, either, but Tomita sure could make amazingly creamy and delicious string sections with it.
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2010/08/13 23:31:28
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With two days left to get an MP3 in for this contest (with great prizes, need I remind you?)--I want to up the thoughts in these last few posts.
I'd like to invite everyone to cook up a version of the Trek .cwp (or MIDI) file with ANY synth you have--software, hardware, orchestral or otherwise. Like Bit said, it'd be great to hear an ARP version of this, or a Moog version - or a version made with some obscure free VSTi created by one of the many musical mad scientists around the world cooking up some very interesting instruments.
So the concept we started with was to demonstrate an orchestral library, or combination of libraries if you wanted to use something that didn't have the full orchestra included in it.
But it'd be great to get versions of the Star Trek theme done with any synth under the sun. Even if it wouldn't inspire people to go get the synth you use because it's so good at orchestral emulations, you'll at least have fun making the file, we'll have fun listening to it, and you'll possibly educate us about a synth we weren't aware of before.
The sky's the limit--Send us something. Do it, just do it, and do it now. I know some of these entries took the participants less than 2 hours to assemble--it's not that complicated of a project to pull off. You could read this post, start your project, and finish it before going to bed tonight.
Star Trek ala "Weird analog synth #5,794 from the KVR Audio newsletter"---I wanna hear That!
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2010/08/14 11:48:14
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Dan... I did miroslav too. Love to see yours, maybe exchange and compare
John
Attomik Punk
Hey there Randy, Bit, and All,
Just sent my MP3 over, lib used = Miroslav Philharmonik. I'm quite the "noob" but had a blast working on this project.
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2010/08/14 11:53:48
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Rapture would seem a good choice for an experimental, out-there rendition. I've never used that synth but I know it has its fans. Maybe this exercise would be a good excuse to start exploring it.
It's already prompted me to use Dim Pro, another synth that I've rarely touched in the past. As a result of this project, I will likely turn to Dim Pro more often now.
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2010/08/14 20:01:04
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Sixty six entries! Room for more, and you have all tonight, and all day tomorrow to cook up a version, maybe win yourself some nice Garritan instruments. You'll also add to the body of knowledge this list of recordings is now embodying.
Stop what you're doing, and open up that Trek file!
RB
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2010/08/14 20:35:17
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Hi Randy, I just sent you my submission but had trouble sending it, could you please let me know that you got it.  Thankyou, T.S.
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2010/08/14 20:42:40
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Got it T.S. - Thanks for the submission. It'll be going up soon this evening.
Randy B.
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2010/08/15 12:43:10
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Hello Randy, Bit, and All,
I just sent an entry using Sonik Synth 2 by IK Multimedia. I didn't see SS2 on the list of libs used yet- so I gave it a shot.
Instrument selection was a bit more limited than Miro Phil, but I still had fun using EQ and reverb to squeek the most out it as I could.
Thanks again for all your efforts on this project!!!
John6528,
Happy to compare notes about Miro, etc. Let's catch up soon.
~Dan
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2010/08/15 14:17:00
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Got your email, Attomik - Thanks!
Tick Tock! - About 12 hours to go before the deadline. That's plenty of time for more versions of this to be cooked up on this fine Sunday.
Randy B.
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Re:The Orchestral Shootout, Phase Two: now with PRIZES!
2010/08/15 23:36:37
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3 1/2 hours to go before the deadline. First thing in the morning, I'll put up any more late entries that come in, and then the polling will begin.
Believe it or not, if you're reading this soon after I post this (8:35 Pacific Time) you still have time to crank out an entry. It isn't hard. Open up the .cwp or MIDI file, run it through your synth of choice - do some tweaking, or not, and send it in. For your modest efforts, you could win the entire collection of Garritan Libraries.
Do it.
Randy B.
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2010/08/16 01:00:23
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It's been a busy day for me on this, the last deadline day for the Trek contest, and that was expected.
Listening to the new entries, and reviewing some of the previous ones, another thought occurred to me about the challenge voters will have.
For those who are willing to spend a little time listening and voting (and remember - you really don't need to listen to more than the first few seconds of each entry if that's all your schedule permits)--here's something else to think about:
--When listening to things like this, how swayed are you by the use of reverb in the recordings?
Some libraries have the reverb recorded with the samples, limiting them to one sound, usually a very Big sound. But other libraries (more useful, IMHO) are recorded dry so the user can control the results in recordings.
But we all have different tastes in reverb. Some people like the currently popular HUGE Hollywood sound, which is extremely wet, reverberant. Other people prefer a dryer sound. But does the relative contrast between wet and dry signal have very much, if anything, to do with the actual quality of the instruments used in a recording?
Will you be able to separate the use of reverb and other production techniques from the actual sound of the instruments themselves in these recordings?
An interesting thing to consider when you join in on voting--And I hope a lot of people do take the time to vote. A lot of time and effort has been put in by many people to make this event successful, and the very generous Gary Garritan is giving away an enormous amount of software as prizes. So I hope listeners do their bit, and help make the second half of the contest as successful as the first half has been.
Listen- and listen well.
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Re:The Orchestral Shootout, Phase Two: now with PRIZES!
2010/08/16 05:04:40
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2010/08/16 10:23:39
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Patience, Twig. We're 8 hours behind you out here on the left coast of North America.
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2010/08/16 11:16:32
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'sup now! - Bitflipper, please do the honors of making the grand announcement via a new thread. For now, the poll is on the same site where you've been listening to the entries: THE ORCHESTRAL SHOOTOUT - Polls now open! Randy B.
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Re:The Orchestral Shootout, Phase Two: now with PRIZES!
2010/08/16 12:07:00
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Whoops - Every time someone downloads something from the Shootout folder in my Box account, I get an auto email. Just now I was alerted that someone downloaded the MIDI file. Too late - The deadline for entering the contest was midnight last night, Sunday August 16th, Pacific Time.
It may have been downloaded by someone on a different Forum, but I'm alerting folks here that we're now in phase two of the contest. The voting page is now up and running - and the votes are already coming in!
Randy B.
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