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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/03/29 22:13:36 (permalink)
Really nice song Lynn! I like the thick harmonies that come towards the end. It would be nice to copy and paste them towards the beginning in the some of the chorus sections too.
 
Some type of melody on the opposite pan to counter the sax line might balance the sax a bit more.
 
Having the sax cut out in quieter sections and come in again is also an option.
 
Reminds me of Steely Dan and Pink Floyd. Great work! :)
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/03/30 16:25:38 (permalink)
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Lynn
Bjorn, thanks for taking a second listen to this tune.   I've received so many good ideas, that I'm starting to feel comfortable about this song.  I played this song several  times without the sax intro, however, I actually started writing this song based on the intro.  I wonder if replacing the sax with a flute would work there.  The flute samples I have work very well with MidiGuitar 2.  Thanks for sticking with me!
 
Makke, it's good to hear from you!  Thanks for having a listen and taking the time to comment.  I really like your new song.




Don't stay married to something that may not be working. I've had to whack lots of stuff before the end, even something as important as the intro that led to the song. It happens...
 
In the end though, it is your song. Do what feels right to you...
 
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Dan, I agree with you 100%.  I actually like the intro and plan on keeping it.  Thanks for replying.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/03/30 16:32:16 (permalink)
Tim, thanks for giving this a listen and taking the time to make a detailed response.  Actually, it's one sax sample all the way through.  It's the tenor sax in Dimension Pro.  As for the drums, you're right about the snare.  I didn't want the drums to step on the sax or vocal, but there's probably a little leeway on the EQ.  Lately, I've been thinking that the vocal compressor could be lighter, so I'll deal with that on the next revision.  Good idea about the strings, too.  This is very helpful advice.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/03/30 17:56:21 (permalink)
Lynn,
 
The vocals are sitting better in this updated mix.   I would actually push them a little more forward or maybe pull back the reverb slightly... In spots it is difficult to understand the words.   Very cool song, it all fits together very nicely.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/03/30 21:03:57 (permalink)
Great singing and really like the melodies

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/03/31 17:02:37 (permalink)
Rex, thanks for listening and your reply.  I appreciate your ideas and will give them serious consideration on the next version.  I think if I raise the level of the synth pad it will help balance the sax.  Stay tuned.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/04/01 15:03:12 (permalink)
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Lynn,
 
The vocals are sitting better in this updated mix.   I would actually push them a little more forward or maybe pull back the reverb slightly... In spots it is difficult to understand the words.   Very cool song, it all fits together very nicely.

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Mark, I'll take this in consideration on the next mix.  As always, thanks for your time and observations!

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/04/02 13:38:55 (permalink)
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Great singing and really like the melodies

Kakku, sorry  I'm late with this but thanks for you input.  It's always good to hear from you.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/04/24 19:31:09 (permalink)
Cool song, Lynn....   I really like how the overall ambiance ties into the vibe.   Vocals sound really good.  
 
I do agree with the sax comments though...   or at least when it's the featured instrument I'd prefer to hear it more centered and maybe panned when used for fills.  Some of the lines are really nice too, the "guitaristic" phrasing carries over to MIDI really well!   Oh... and that trailing line at the end was a nice touch, just needs a little delay/reverb to drift off into the distance.
 

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/04/26 18:27:49 (permalink)
Steve, thanks for your welcome comments.  I put up a new mix today that comes from the suggestions I've received so far.  I put the sax in the center for the solo lines, and panned it left 45% on the fills.  I added a touch of vibrato on certain notes, also.  Plus, I gave a slight boost to the synth pads in the right channel.  After listening to it for a few days, I've come to appreciate this version, so all your comments have been helpful.
 
The new mix is here:  https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v3/player.cfm?type=single&songid=13697442&q=hi
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/04/29 19:37:59 (permalink)
Nice job Lynn - the mix sounds good to my ears.  Your voice makes me think of Peter Gabriel - very cool.
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/04/30 08:52:54 (permalink)
I came back for another listen - great tune and I still love that 'sax'.
I am pretty sure that you and Peter Gabriel were separated at birth
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/01 16:17:10 (permalink)
Doug, thanks  for taking the time to  listen and respond.  The Peter Gabriel mention is very flattering.  I've spent hours and hours listening to him over the years.  Something might have rubbed off.
 
Daryl, thanks for a second listen.  Again, you're PG reference is very complimentary.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/03 01:00:30 (permalink)
This one may be my favorite from you Lynn!  A we bit Floyd-ish.  I really like the harmonies and the vocals overall sound very good.  

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/04 20:43:05 (permalink)
Mike, thanks for listening.  Thanks to all the good advice I've received here, this is becoming one of my favorites, too.  When I get time, I'll have a listen you your tunes.  Stay prolific.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/09 19:27:47 (permalink)
I have nothing to add to the comments above --- other than to say that I really like this number.  Your vocals sound great and I really like that sax.
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/10 21:05:35 (permalink)
Freddy, thanks for your kind words!  After listening to your latest song, you may be interested in MidiGuitar 2, if you want to get some different sounds into your songs.  That's how I got to this point, myself.  I just found out that flute sounds good through MG2, so now I'm going to have to  redo "Nights In White Satin" ;)  lol

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/10 21:38:57 (permalink)
Lynn, 
 
The re-mix sounds spot on.   Very cool song.
 
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/11 17:35:49 (permalink)
like the tv guy says pitchee
good mix - maybe speed up a bit?
 
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/14 19:05:55 (permalink)
Mark, thanks very much.  I had a lot of fun doing this.
 
Danny, I'm not quite sure about the tv guy comment, but thanks for listening and responding!

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/14 21:55:16 (permalink)
My first "Lynn" song...
Nice!  Enjoyed it a lot.
Didn't get to hear the first version, but overall feel of this song really tells the story.
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/16 01:19:21 (permalink)
Arlen, thanks very much for your time and response.  I hope you get to hear more.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/16 01:37:01 (permalink)
Hi Lynn, sounds like you're hitting all the right midrange frequencies because this sounds full and very decent on laptop speakers. What's your secret my friend?
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/17 16:40:12 (permalink)
Hi Matt, thanks for your kind words.  No big secret, I use Mixchecker and ARC 2, which both have laptop emulations during the mix process.  I also use my I-Phone to check the mix, along with my Rokit 8's, Alesis Monitor One's, and Auratones, besides my  trusty AKG headphones.  And yet, I still trust my car stereo (2000  Honda Accord) to give me the honest truth.  Go figure.  In spite of all these aids, I trust the ears of people at this forum to help shape the final outcome.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/17 19:18:41 (permalink)
Ok so it sounds like you have plenty of bases covered. It's working for you. Do you eq the stereo bus? And if so, do you find yourself boosting in the 200-500/ 1000 range a tad? Or are you aware of the dangers in scooping too much of that range out of individual tracks when mixing in the first place?  
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/17 23:24:05 (permalink)
Matt, I've changed my production methods quite a bit, recently.  All those speaker emulations from the ARC 2 and MixChecker software are quite useful.  However, I came to the conclusion that many people listen on earbuds, headphones, or car stereos these days.  I started trusting my AKG K240DF headphones more and more.  I rarely EQ the stereo mix, instead, doing it at the track level when mixing.  I also learned that too much scooping to reduce "mud" makes the overall mix too thin.  Lately, I do add a small boost to the bass dr. and bass gtr. somewhere around 300-600 hz to keep it fat while judiciously using a high pass filter to keep it from being boomy.  Plus, I'm watching my dynamics by trying to not over compress so that the mix has room to breathe.  Many of these techniques have been pointed out to me by people here on the forum.  Thanks for asking, but I should be asking you about your methods because you seem to get it right.

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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/18 02:35:44 (permalink)
Well I'm a bit like you...recently I've been noticing that scooping too much on individual tracks, like you say, takes too much body out...and that body is really needed on small range earbuds, speakers and listening environments of that kind. And as you said...that's where people listen. To make matters worse, I was operating under the theory that getting rid of 'mud' around 200-500 is key...and I was doing it not only on individual tracks but on the stereo bus too. So that's a double dose in error. I changed policy after being underwhelmed by the reproduction as heard on laptop speakers, earbuds, phones etc...all highs and lows...but worse than that...lows that are weak and highs that are shrill. I think the error is in there being a lack of midrange...with midrange back in the picture those highs don't seem so 'out there' on their own, and the lows get the help of that lower mid boost.
 
So anyway, I've been going over my last 9 songs or so and mixing the midrange back in. The real test will be on the next song where I track with a view to that mid range and when I start the mix with that well in mind...as opposed to it being an after thought. I think when it's well in mind right from the start the end result will be improved. 
 
It's funny...in theory, I've heard it a thousand times...'the midrange is key'. But actually internalizing it and doing it only comes with practice and getting your hands dirty. Your mix sounds well balanced and it must have very decent midrange content because it sounds good in my Beyerdynamic dt880s, my Yamaha hs8's and my laptop speakers. 
 
Another thing, while I think of it, that I think is overrated is going overboard with eq...searching with a sharp Q for trouble frequencies in your guitar track or vocal track etc. With a sharp Q, sometimes you can chase all kinds of rogue frequencies and cut, cut, cut. But I'm not sure this is a good policy. It's kind of satisfying in a way...because in solo and with that sharp Q it really feels like you're a surgeon doing some good. But I think it might be detrimental. Back in the day...I'm not sure they had such surgical eq. It's ok to get rid of something blatantly troublesome...but it's easy to go a bit crazy and notch the heck out of things. I think it's better to leave things. What are your thoughts on that?
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Re: The Pain Of Love - new song 2018/05/20 17:01:15 (permalink)
I think you're discovering some of the same things I've been discovering, lately.  I've gone to using the EQ's that are more musical and less surgical.  I'm placing more importance on getting the sound right from the beginning, which is where mastering begins for me. I, too, am going over some of my recent songs and remixing them to replace the "body" that I may have inadvertently taken out.  I appreciate you taking the time for this conversation because it tells me that I'm not alone in my theories.  Keep writing your terrific songs, and I'll be listening.

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Re: q? 2018/06/03 17:22:32 (permalink)
Steve, I was going to answer your post when I saw that you had deleted it.  If you have any questions or comments, feel free, otherwise, have a good day.

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