@ Jose

Sorry I didn't mean to hijack, I have just got a little exited when I saw Audio Snap, and the first thing I did was use the Transient Tool, I haven't done much else so I hope the other features are a good as this one.

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Tom

I had a weird one last night where i was in the console view and pressed play on a song, and got a message saying Sonar could not record this event (or words to that effect), when i was just trying to play the project. There was no record buttons armed at all, so i dont know what the hell that meant. I switched back to track view and it played. I cant remember the exact order of events that caused this because I was fiddling around with a number of things. All i know for sure was that it was an 8.3 project opened in 8.5. Anyway i'll try and re-produce. 

Jose7822


Hey Danny,

Just tried to reproduce a few of the issues mentioned by you and so far everything is working fine here.  First, I tried openning and closing projects to see if the waveforms would draw correctly and they do.  Then, I started recording a few takes and they all draw correctly too.  Finally, I tried the punch out thing, following all the steps provided by you exactly as you described, and I have no issues with that either.  IOW, there are no gaps at the end of the punch points for me.  However, I think I know why you're seeing this.  I believe you haven't adjusted your manual offset under Options::Audio::Advanaced Tab.  The process on how to fix this is better described here in this thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1302373 (Post #20)


HTH

Hey Jose,
 
Thanks for the reply. The funny thing with this (on my end at least) is I'm not getting any gaps in my audio punch outs at all unless I use that arm on the fly thing man. As soon as that's disabled, there are no gaps at all...so it's working properly as long as "arm while playback" ability is turned off.
 
Thought for sure I was seeing things on the wave draws, but I timed them and it seems S 8.3.1 draws a 3 minute freshly recorded clip for me in about 1-2 seconds. The same clip/song with a fresh recorded track in 8.5 was 10 seconds. I'm wondering if I should uninstall and re-install as I also installed with that "default" thing that Bit was explaining. I wonder if that jacked something up. I also have 2 installs of that Gtr3 plug. One installed into c:\program files (which was not my doing, I never put anything recording oriented on C) and when I did the 8.5 update, it gave me a folder option to which I chose D:\Native. I think I may just try to uninstall/reinstall and see if it makes any differences.
 
One other thing, I *think* I may have asked this before, but when I install all my recording stuff, I always install to my D drive as I do not want it on my C drive. Sonar is making multiple directories of the same stuff and putting them all over my C drive. Can I just delete some of this stuff? If I'm installing to D, why is it cluttering up my C drive with the same stuff?
 
If any of you are experienced with this sort of thing, are there some things I can delete in these multiple folders on C that won't mess with the program? I sincerely don't want anything on my OS drive and it's not very big as is. I have 55gig left on it, but I am really trying to stay away from putting stuff on there other than my OS as this method has worked well for me for many years.....and you know the old saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it...I'd like to keep with it since I've never had many pc issues in my days of using them since I've used this method. Thanks in advance!
 
And Jose, thanks for all your help on this site as well as taking the initiative to post this thread and all the other info you help everyone with. :)

Danny,
 
No problem man.  That's what we're here for, to help each other out. 
 
Like I said, I tried using the on the fly record option and did several takes following your steps and eveything seemed normal.  There was one occation where the waveform had a gap at the end, but it was so small that I had to zoom in real close to see it.  However, that only happened once and could've been done by me by mistake (maybe I stopped recording at that point, I can't remember).  But I saw the same results wether on the fly record was ON or OFF.  The only thing I could think of is that maybe you hadn't adjusted the manual offset latency of your rig.  The steps I provided in that thread explain everything needed to get sample accurate recordings, which is what I've done to my rig.  Maybe that could fix this issue for you, idk.
 
As for the waveform draws, I honestly didn't record anything remotely that long (but I could give it a try).  I did open old projects with lots of waveforms spanning over 3 mins and they all drew pretty fast.  But I will give it another go just to make sure.  I'll record jibirish for 3 mins and see what happens :-P.
 
I wouldn't delete anything in there because some of those files may be used by Sonar in case something happens.  I believe this is where Sonar goes to find fresh copies of the AUD.INI (and other important files) when they get deleted.  Those extra copies of Cakewalk files and folders may even get used as a kind of "Template" when creating new Windows user accounts.  I'm not positive on this, but that's what I'm assuming they are for.  Also, there's a possibility that some plugins may use samples stored in these folders.  This is all speculation though, so don't believe me much :-P
 
Well, I'll try recording again tomorrow cause it's pretty late now.
 
 
TTYL!
 
 

brundlefly

If you have view file extensions enabled then of course you will be renaming what type of file it is by using a period.

This is just not true. Open Notepad (or any other MS app you care to test) and save as Test.Test and you will get a file named Test.Test.txt. Just for grins, I re-enabled Hide extensions, but it made no difference to this problem.

You should never use periods in your naming conventions full stop.

While I usually avoid it for clarity's sake, sometimes a period is necessary or just plain convenient, and I've never had a problem with it before. I don't think you will find anything on the Microsoft website saying not to do it as a general rule. In fact there are windows system files and folders that have periods in their names. Windows has a defined set of special characters that cannot be used in filenames; period is not one of them.

OK  my bad here.... You're right, I'm wrong. I think I'm still in the DOS operating system days. lol

windsurfer25x


Hey Freddie,

I had no problems whatsoever updating to 8.5...
I'm sure some people have had problems.. but don't assume everyone has

 
 
Yes probably! =)
I think I will update this weekend!
 
 
Regards
Freddie

This is just not true. Open Notepad (or any other MS app you care to test) and save as Test.Test and you will get a file named Test.Test.txt. Just for grins, I re-enabled Hide extensions, but it made no difference to this problem.

For what it's worth, you CAN get around this behavior by putting double quotes around what you want the whole filename to be.  So, if you want test.test to be the whole thing, just put "test.test" in the save as for the filename.  It should be without the .txt extension.
[edit: well, I would delete this if I could, as I see my solution was posted two hours ago]

For what it's worth, you CAN get around this behavior by putting double quotes around what you want the whole filename to be.

Well, we're a little off track, because my concern is not with the Save As dialogue, but with the prompt for "Name" that SONAR gives you when you start a new project, but the way I usually handle this is simply to go to the Save as type drop-down, and change it to All Files. Then Windows will save with whatever name and extension you give it without appending the default extension.

split an audio clip, highlight it, and Process|Audio FX|Choose any FX and it auditions the ENTIRE length of the original clip!

Not happening here. When you say "highlight it", do you mean both sides of the split, the first half, or the second half? I tried all three, in any case.


Edit: I assumed you meant when you clock OK to apply the processing. Do you mean when you select only one half, and click "Audition" I'm not seeing a problem with that, either; it just auditions whatever part of the clip I selected. Also, if you're only selecting one half, is the unselected half also processed, or just auditioned dry? Detail! We need more detail! 

In post 14 of this thread, Willy Jones of Cakewalk gave the generic link to Cakewalk's Problem Reporter for all products:

http://www.cakewalk.com/support/problemreporter/Default.aspx

Hey Danny,

I just finished recording 3 mins of jibirish (sounds awesome, NOT :-P) and the clip took like 2 seconds to draw. 

Everything's looking normal here.  Try openning Sonar while holding down the SHIFT key so that it personalizes your user settings.  Maybe that could help?  Let us know.

OK, Danny!

I see what you mean now.  I had to zoom in further in order to see it, but now I see the gap you're talking about.  In my case it was only 24 samples off so it's not a big deal.  I couldn't hear any gaps in the track even when solo'ed and using headphones.  But I can see how this could be a problem if that gap was bigger.

Some of us were discussing this recently and believe it had to do with the ASIO Latency Compensation feature in Sonar.  I think the gap was not showing up in WDM though.  Anyways, yes I can confirm that you're not crazy :-P  However, I'm not sure what's going on regarding the wave draw issues you're having.  Could there be two Picture Cache folders in your setup?  That's probably unlikely though.  Hmm...

pthuriot


has anyone else had cpu issues with 8.5.1?  i've run into the prob where the cpu is really getting tasked (if i trust the sonar UI cpu usage bar).  and it's MUCH higher in 8.5.1 than the same song in 8.3 and 7.*
 
i'll start the song with superior drummer 2 and amplitube 2 loaded and working live, the cpu will spike...i'll stop the song, the cpu stays about the same.  i'll archive one of the tracks, the cpu stays the same, i reset the audio engine, cpu to 0%.  start the song again, spike, repeat.

anyone else?
 
oh:
 
vista-32, 3 gig ram
fw1884 running 1.70 driver and 1.22 surface plugin
 
edit:
 
quick test on the same point in one older song file (version 7):
 
Sonar v8.5.1 cpu: 92% to clipping at 100%; Disk at 27%
Sonar v7.0.2 cpu: 23-33%; disk at 9%
 
something seems really wrong with that.  ?!
 
 

Tried the same project in both Sonar 8.3.1 and 8.5.1.  Both game me the same exact CPU and Disk readings.  Both Sonar versions where 64 bit under Vista64.  Hardware used in signature.
 
 

Danny,

Based on what you're saying, this means that record on the fly is for some reason not compensating for latency.  The proof is that the recorded clip moves in place after recording is done when record on the fly is disabled.  But it doesn't move in place otherwise.  I'll be reporting this to Cakewalk cause now I am convinced that there must be a solution to this.

Thanks for bringing this up Danny!

Jose, I reported this personally to Willy Jones a few months back and sent him a video of it as well. His reply was something along the lines of: 

"We're aware of it and we are running a few boxes here that have it fixed but you will most likely not see the fix in any of the future updates of Sonar 8xx if there are to be any."
 
I talked to him about this issue shortly after the 8.3.1 patch was released. So I think they are aware of this, but might have just either over-looked it or, maybe he meant it would be fixed in version 9. I'll touch base with him to see if he knows anything further or maybe he'll chime in here if he gets a minute. He's been a Godsend helping me out with stuff...I'll see what I can dig up. Thanks for your help man! :)