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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 20:36:36
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In a midi track, in the piano roll view, it used to be that I could right click and select the edit tools. Now all but the current tool are greyed out.
Bummer in the summer.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 21:38:07
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The MIDI meter go missing after a solo. This was in 8 onward.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 21:42:36
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John - can you clarify that? I don't see that happening in 8.3.1 (don't have 8.5 yet)
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 21:43:48
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Yup, you're right. When I right-click in the PRV, under the "PRV Tool" sub-menu, only the currently-selected tool is enabled. I would never have noticed that, as I stopped using the context menu for that long ago. Fortunately, the keyboard shortcuts still work as advertised. EDIT: er, that reply was for space_cowboy. Jeez, I wish this new forum software would let you indicate who the hell you're replying to.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 21:54:24
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Blades
John - can you clarify that? I don't see that happening in 8.3.1 (don't have 8.5 yet)
If you have a few MIDI tracks and then solo one the MIDI meters no longer work after you unsolo.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 22:29:35
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If you have a few MIDI tracks and then solo one the MIDI meters no longer work after you unsolo.
Confirmed - though I only get it if the transport is stopped - if project is playing it behaves normally. Midi meters return once project closed & reopened. XP SP3 btw edit to add - all tracks other than the soloed one lose their midi activity soloed track keeps going.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 22:49:44
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A little install quirk:-
A custom install, selecting to import settings from a previous version (S8.31) imports the settings including paths set under Sonar's options/global/folders.
However the content installed (eg templates, track icons, drim maps etc) is installed in the default location. When you browse for the content in Sonar (eg track icons) new content is not found at the paths specified under options/global/folders as it is stored in the default install locations (eg Docs&Settings/App Data or Sample Content)
This has a flow on to, for example, the media browser where preset locations are pointing at default install locations.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 23:37:20
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Confirmed - though I only get it if the transport is stopped - if project is playing it behaves normally. Midi meters return once project closed & reopened. I still don't understand this one. I don't see this in 8.5, and I don't remember it from 8. I remember a problem in 7 that the meters would disapper when you armed to record, but they would come back when you "disarmed. But this no longer happens in 8.5. It may already have been fixed in 8; I didn't check. So what am I missing?
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/17 23:55:08
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I believe that was the audio meters Brundlefly. It had to do with exclusive or dim solo I think.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 01:16:25
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DjiDoe
I've found a bug and it's working with all my loops.
Use the EXPLORER to insert a loop in a track (new track or existing one)
Let's say the loop is 2 measures long and you only want to keep the second measure of the loop.
So cut at measure 2 (that make 2 clips) and delete the first clip
Drag the second clip measure 1 (to the emplacement of the first clip you've just deleted)
Then bounce to clip (to make a new looping clip)...
The old first measure just appear !
Is this doing that for you ? I can reproduce the bug every time.
EDIT : Even if you don't bounce to clip, listen to the clip after you've dragged it... the first half of the clip is playing and showin the waveform of the second clip.
I found another strange looping issue, however I believe it existed in 8.3 (or at least it appeared to be when I tested it). Basically it occurs when you are recording a loop (I can't actually believe I have missed this in the past, its very obvious): - Set tempo to 116 (this may or may not be important, I only tested at 116, I believe it will play a sight factor)
- Set loop points to a 4 bar loop, starting at bar 1.
- Create an audio track, arm it
- Record a 1 bar loop, something like a clean guitar note is good.
- Stop recording
- Zoom in as far as you can go on the end of the loop (ie start of bar 5), note that the recorded loop doesn't even come close to being at the end of the 4th bar.
- Zoom out.
- Now, highlight the clip, and press Ctrl+L (which will loop the clip).
- Now playback the clip, its been stretched so that the audio can fit the 4 bars, and as a result it has a warbled character.
I have created a project which contains this issue and it can be downloaded from http://plant-on.com/Resources/Sonar/Cakewalk/Bugs/RecordedLoopStretching.zip This bug actually happens anytime anything is looped albeit in a much less noticeable way, because I can't seem to split the audio exactly on the bar (perhaps this is my snap settings, but I don't have 'Snap to Audio Zero Crossings' checked). This issue I have noted before, but its only ever about a sample out, which when stretched doesn't produce any noticeable artefacts. Is anyone else experiencing these issues? I imagine that this is something to do with the bar falls halfway between a sample, therefore the audio can't be cut exactly on the bar line, however as a user what exists is not a workable solution. If a loop can be created that falls exactly on the bar line (well, its boundary does note the last sample might be blank), then surely we should be able to cut a clip on the bar line? p.s. I thought I saw a post the other day which sounds like this issue, but I can't find it now.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 01:19:00
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I believe that was the audio meters Brundlefly. It had to do with exclusive or dim solo I think. You mean the disappearing meters in 7? No, Susan and I traded several posts on the subject. It had to do with whether the switch was enabled to allow recording MIDI without arming a track. Anyway. I'm still looking for a clearer recipe for replicating your reported issue.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 01:30:32
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the recorded loop doesn't even come close to being at the end of the 4th bar. This sounds like the fairly well-documented issue that SONAR does not account for latency when hitting the end of a loop or punch-in range, so when it slides the clip back to correct for latency after recording, there is a gap. The lower you run your latency during tracking, the less of an issue it is.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 01:34:53
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EDIT: Not a bug - the freeze button is disabled on a MIDI track that outputs to an external synth, Very small item - but it should be on the list: When hovering the mouse over the new freeze icon in a MIDI track, the hint is not displayed. It's OK for audio, and instrument tracks. Like I said - very tiny issue.
post edited by rstollen - 2009/09/18 02:08:13
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 01:57:38
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When hovering the mouse over the new freeze icon in a MIDI track, the hint is not displayed. I'm not seeing this one, either. Same hint/tip is displayed in a MIDI track as is displayed in the audio track hosting the synth. Maybe your MIDI track output is to a physical port...? Freeze has no meaning for a MIDI track not pointing to a soft synth. They should make the button disappear in that case. But intead, it just becomes inactive, and shows no hint as a result.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 02:06:57
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Yup - You got me. D'oh The track output was to an external synth like you said. 
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 02:14:39
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You got me. D'oh The track output was to an external synth like you said.  How about John's dead MIDI meters after soloing a MIDI track. Do you see that? I'll check back in the morning. Bedtime for Bonzo.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 02:33:13
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Danny Danzi
Jose, I reported this personally to Willy Jones a few months back and sent him a video of it as well. His reply was something along the lines of:
"We're aware of it and we are running a few boxes here that have it fixed but you will most likely not see the fix in any of the future updates of Sonar 8xx if there are to be any."
I talked to him about this issue shortly after the 8.3.1 patch was released. So I think they are aware of this, but might have just either over-looked it or, maybe he meant it would be fixed in version 9. I'll touch base with him to see if he knows anything further or maybe he'll chime in here if he gets a minute. He's been a Godsend helping me out with stuff...I'll see what I can dig up. Thanks for your help man! :)
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:05:24
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Now, in order to see the transient markers, it is necessary to open the Audiosnap dialog and click on the "show/hide transients" button. I also don't get why "add to pool" has been hidden away. Amongst other things, "add to pool" causes vertical lines to be displayed on the entire track pane, which is a very convenient way to spot MIDI note or audio transients that are off in "non-pooled" clips.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:09:19
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There's a bug in the Media Browser, whereby ctrl-clicking more than one clip causes them to be auditioned together (as it should), but if one of the clips is ctrl-clicked again, instead of becoming silent, it continues to play until all clips are silenced.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:20:40
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ChristopherM
There's a bug in the Media Browser, whereby ctrl-clicking more than one clip causes them to be auditioned together (as it should), but if one of the clips is ctrl-clicked again, instead of becoming silent, it continues to play until all clips are silenced.
Confirmed!
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:27:12
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I have noticed this since S7 - In the synth view, Sonar does not 'remember' the settings for Audio. example, I like to use all of my outputs for all of my synths. I would like them to open without having to use the options box. Whenever I check the button for 'All Synth Audio Outputs-Stereo', then close Sonar, When I re-open Sonar, Sonar 'forgets' the option that I just set. It sounds trivial, but It is quite pesky, especially if you only use soft synths. The 'Simple Instrument Track' is remembered, though it only puts out 1 output. Ideally, I would like to save this setting in the 'normal.template, but it never can 'remember' to use all audio outputs. Also, I have noticed the Arp feature lacks vs the original p5 ver. It sounds a bit 'off' for lack of a better term. I have noticed that sometimes loops do not stop playing back. I had to close Sonar after multiple loops would not stop playing. Old and unresolved Loop construction from s7 - I mix a lot of acapella vocals, and I ise the loop construction for timing, transients and pitch. when Sonar is playing,and I try to adjust the percentage of transients. Sonar always shuts down. I am not really interested in using audiosnap for this as it does not do as goos a job as Loop Construction. The Matrix view has frozen my S8 about 6 times already. slicy drummer/filll-in drummer do not work (This may be on MusicLab) anymore. Perhaps rather than combining p5 features int 8.5, they could have made p5 64-bit, and VST compatible(a la Fruity) ( I realize that this is not a bug though, just my .02) Other than that, I am quite pleased with my Sonar 8.5
post edited by day day - 2009/09/18 03:44:37
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:41:39
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It's also remembered when you have it on "First Synth Audio Output".
But check this out. If you select "All Synth Audio Outputs: Mono", the next time you open Sonar it has "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo" checked instead. Now how fun is that? :-)
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:46:43
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Will Try that ASAP, In the meanwhile, I have edited my original post. Perhaps others are noticing similar issues. THANKS for that....I'll let you know how that worked.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 03:50:36
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That worked lovely. Thanks again for the the RAID spray.....
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Jose7822
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 04:13:26
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I've reported the dialog inconsistencies to Cakewalk. I never use the Loop Construction View but I'll give it a try. So the issue happens when you adjust the transient percentage setting while the loop plays, right? Lemme try that. By the way, I read someone else complaining about the arp feature in Sonar. I don't know how it's supposed to work since I never used P5, but it'd be nice if you could report this to Cakewalk as you may explain the issue better than I. EDIT: Not having any issues when moving the percentage slider while the loop is playing. Maybe I'm missing something? Can you reproduce this issue everytime?
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 04:24:07
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Will do. When using the loop construction use at least 8 bars of music, and use the 'tempo' vs 'beats' button. 2-4 bar loops do not have the same problem. I will fool around with arp tomorrow(later today), and I will report this to cakewalk.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 04:31:02
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Where's the tempo vs beat button?
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 06:36:15
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brundlefly
the recorded loop doesn't even come close to being at the end of the 4th bar.
This sounds like the fairly well-documented issue that SONAR does not account for latency when hitting the end of a loop or punch-in range, so when it slides the clip back to correct for latency after recording, there is a gap. The lower you run your latency during tracking, the less of an issue it is.
I'm running 96 samples at 44.1 using an RME FF800 -> i7 using Win 7. I can run at 48 samples but thats not ideal. Are there any other workarounds? I guess I could just loop for a bar longer and then chop up my takes afterwards.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 09:22:51
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brundlefly
the recorded loop doesn't even come close to being at the end of the 4th bar.
This sounds like the fairly well-documented issue that SONAR does not account for latency when hitting the end of a loop or punch-in range, so when it slides the clip back to correct for latency after recording, there is a gap. The lower you run your latency during tracking, the less of an issue it is.
I'm running 96 samples at 44.1 using an RME FF800 -> i7 using Win 7. I can run at 48 samples but thats not ideal.
Are there any other workarounds? I guess I could just loop for a bar longer and then chop up my takes afterwards.
There is one other workaround. If you go find the audio file associated with that clip and drag it into the project, you get full access to the whole recording, no gap. Same is true if you were loop recording; there is one file that has all passes of the loop with no gaps. Then you chop it up by manual editing. Bill B.
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Re:***The Sonar 8.5.1 Master Bug Thread***
2009/09/18 10:07:15
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John - I tried a number of different permutations of two midi tracks using solo, dim solo mode on or off, and exclusive solo mode on either track switching it on and off in each case both during playback and while playback is not running. I couldn't get the midi indicators to stop working (happily - feel like I would have noticed this a LONG time ago if it was happening as I use a good bit if midi and solo things out to a rediculous extent). Again, this is on 8.3.1 but I can't seem to repro it.
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