Danny Danzi

foxwolfen


Dean has generally been a rational and objective fellow here. The thing of it is, if a person wants to find a way to pick apart an argument, they can. While I agree with most of the counter-arguments made, I feel they were generally nit picking while ignoring the underlaying intent. I do not fault Dean for frustrated replies.

That's how I feel as well. I think everyone has had some great points in this thread. Some, more passionate than others to where maybe that passion could have gotten the best of them. I know how that can be though as it happens to me all the time. And we all know how easy it is for words to get mangled into an arguement. Lots of opinions here, but quite a bit of truth as well in all of them.
 
-Danny

foxwolfen

Danny Danzi

Bristol_Jonesey

We're just stuck in a rut of sex appeal, singing and marketing to one general audience where people in their 40's on up have nothing they would like showing up on air or being considered "popular". That part, I think is sad because people 40+ would buy music too if they just had something worth spending their money on. :)

It might come as no shock to you Danny, or anyone else, but I've only bought one music CD this year (I don't do downloads or mp3's).

I'll give you a clue about what I bought - it begins and ends with a 'D'

I'm in the same boat, Jonesey! The last CD I bought was Van Halen with Gary Cherone singing on it. The last digital media album I bought was this year...notnat's album from this forum. Most things I listen to are on Youtube or if a friend shares something with me. The record labels I deal with send me loads of stuff each month as well, so that's a cool fringe benefit to have. Some bands I never even heard of, others are well known. It's a nice mixture of both and I always look forward to when that package comes through in the mail. :)

-Danny

I will have to dig up the source for this, and its a few years out of date, but I recall reading an industry report that showed a trend toward an increase in the age demographic of the buying public. IRRC, the majority of sales though the '00s were driven by the 35 to 55 year old age group. But... the caveat here is that music sales are down about 50% from the 90's, while live productions are way up, and is now the main money maker for the industry and artist. CDs and downloads are now the supporting medium.

ohgrant


 Not so much do I have a problem with Dean's views, this topic was started by Dave about a recovering an old performance if I recall..I'm befuddled as to why he chooses this thread to beat that drum. Same amount of clicks to just start a new thread? 

When I combine all these pieces, I find myself at times also disgusted when I hear a song climb the charts that I know is by somebody with marginal (or absent) talent.

Rbh


I personally agree with Droddey, looking at the bigger picture and looking at the history of what these production techniques has brought to the entertainment biz. I think it's cheapened the value of musicianship....to the normal listening public ....permanently. Thank god there is still a pool of truly amazing talent in the world. But, I've seen first hand, so many young people that have lost the common sense to even know the difference, and that is what is truly sad about the whole argument. I've employed editing techniques to save a mistake in an otherwise good performance, and I've done a full sequencing to emulate whole band performance from the standpoint of a single contributor. But, I don't throw whole house sample loops down and act as though I'm the creative talent ( by simply point and click composition of someone else's talent ). There is a dividing line - and I think Droddey is correct in his original arguments.

You know, an interesting side effect of auto tune has been that it has, in a round about way, made me a "more in pitch" singer.  It has shown me the areas in which I tend to have pitch issues when singing.  Knowing that I tend to go flat at certain pitches, or slide up to a pitch, and seeing this graphed on Melodyne, has helped me to become a better singer.  Often, I will fix some of the pitch issues and then listen to the song in correct pitch for a couple of weeks.  Amazing how when I go back then and resing the vocals, my ears have been trained and I am pretty darn close in pitch through out the song. 

MakeShift

Syncopation has been evolving for hundreds of years and is an essential part of most modern music quantizing the living daylights out of a naturally played instrument would only serve to take all energy away resulting in a stiff general MIDI, player piano sounding project.

 
That's what the "humanize" button is for...right??
 
You know, an interesting side effect of auto tune has been that it has, in a round about way, made me a "more in pitch" singer.  It has shown me the areas in which I tend to have pitch issues when singing.  Knowing that I tend to go flat at certain pitches, or slide up to a pitch, and seeing this graphed on Melodyne, has helped me to become a better singer.  Often, I will fix some of the pitch issues and then listen to the song in correct pitch for a couple of weeks.  Amazing how when I go back then and resing the vocals, my ears have been trained and I am pretty darn close in pitch through out the song.
 
I think a lot of that goes back to what Dean said above in that old school was for bands to go out and play for years, develop and hone themselves before being discovered.  Well, in the same way, they often had a chance to refine some of the songs that they were writing and creating by practicing them as a band at length before going into a recording studio.  Shoot, now adays, the DAW is part of the writing tool.  Sometimes I don't even know quite where I am going with the vocals at the time I record it.  So, in this kind of back handed way, the auto tune effect has helped me as a writing tool.
 
I agree very much that the whole T Pain effect thing has gotten out of hand.  I hope that fad dies off soon.