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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 02:12:39 (permalink)
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No. But I think if you go to therapy it'll make you better. Right now you have the ego of a 2 year old. What you describe isn't a shared experience, and I'm not Cartesian. What you're describing is sensual dissimulation. Without the shared experience, you'll never know what is really loving or heroic. You'll just think you know it. 
 
 




I don't understand this.  I am quite sure there were many narcissists and sociopaths out there who have composed music that conveys catchy, profound, and powerful emotion.


There are no sociopaths before 1922.

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 02:32:12 (permalink)
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...I really do need to fully study up and train myself in order to convey these themes I hear in my mind.

 
That's the most sensible thing you've said so far. Good ideas are only the starting point. Achieving anything worthwhile usually involves 1% inspiration followed by 99% hard slog.

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 02:37:32 (permalink)
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No. But I think if you go to therapy it'll make you better. Right now you have the ego of a 2 year old. What you describe isn't a shared experience, and I'm not Cartesian. What you're describing is sensual dissimulation. Without the shared experience, you'll never know what is really loving or heroic. You'll just think you know it. 
 
 




I don't understand this.  I am quite sure there were many narcissists and sociopaths out there who have composed music that conveys catchy, profound, and powerful emotion.


There are no sociopaths before 1922.




I just did a google search.  There are, in fact, people who were narcissists, but composed amazing music that conveys profound, catchy, and powerful emotion.  I understand that you want me to change as a person, but I am not fooled here.  You realize that my composing dream is something important to me and, from there, you tell me that, in order to achieve my goal and dream, that this would require me to change as a person.  I think you want me to both change as a person and compose some emotional songs.  But it really is not necessary for me to go through therapy and put in any work to change.  I am just fine the way I am and I can compose some amazing, emotional music later on down the road.
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 02:39:02 (permalink)
OTOH a recent study found that laziness and high intelligence correlate with each other.

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 02:47:54 (permalink)
Well maybe you're a savant. Why do you presume that therapy is curative. ItsI not a cure. therapy is interminable. At best it helps you cope with your symptoms. It would at least hold your child like ego in a place of love long enough foryouf to grow. Beethoven would almost certainly be in therapy for his paranoia. Schumann for his depression. Others as well. But I said that you're problem was most likely unrelated to music. Not sure why you're skeptical.
 

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 04:03:02 (permalink)
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Well maybe you're a savant. Why do you presume that therapy is curative. ItsI not a cure. therapy is interminable. At best it helps you cope with your symptoms. It would at least hold your child like ego in a place of love long enough foryouf to grow. Beethoven would almost certainly be in therapy for his paranoia. Schumann for his depression. Others as well. But I said that you're problem was most likely unrelated to music. Not sure why you're skeptical.
 




As far as me having an ego goes, I am my own free thinker, I do not listen to the values and personal opinions of others, and I pursue my own interests and my own spiritual path.  I create my own personal values and pursue my own personal path.  My spiritual path is hedonism which is living to have fun, be happy, and enjoy my life.  For me, hedonism has taken on a spiritual/religious form.  In other words, positive emotions are like the holy light of god we all need in our lives to make our lives good, beautiful, and worth living.  This is my own personal religion and being the egotistical, pleasure-seeker who wishes to have his music admired, praised, and glorified in the future is a divine purpose.  It goes against, for example, other religions and beliefs such as Christianity and Buddhism since these beliefs and religions advocate the opposite.  They would say that we need to bear the cross of misery and unhappiness to help others and that we need to transcend our egotistical, pleasure-seeking nature. 
 
I do not agree with this definition of transcended and divine.  I have my own definition and I live by that.  I have my own definition of good, bad, joy, and beauty I live by as well since I do not agree with the definition others have.  If someone told me that I need to live my life helping others even if it made me feel miserable, I would tell that person to go away.  I do not agree with this person or his/her definition of a good and beautiful life.  I have written a whole entire 70 page book with all sorts of arguments to support my New Age Hedonistic worldview that I have invented myself.  Of course, I am not going to share it here since it is against the rules of this forum.  Anyway, I am someone like an inventor who thinks for himself, creates his own personal values, pursues his own spiritual path, and promotes his happiness and well being.  I consider this to be a righteous and justified form of selfishness regardless of what others say to me otherwise. 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/02/19 04:06:49 (permalink)
Be my guest. You started this thread for a reason though. Or are you a brilliant writer too?

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 00:08:51 (permalink)
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Be my guest. You started this thread for a reason though. Or are you a brilliant writer too?




I am going to do something here that will reveal once and for all whether the melodies themselves I have really are something amazing and that people just can't see that, or if my melodies are nothing great and I am just delusional.  I am going to present to you a melody that I did not create, but is a melody that is something beautiful.  It is a melody well known, not around the world, but by many people and many people really love it.  It is very catchy and conveys a memorable emotion.  I will set up this melody with the chords and bass that I usually choose.  In addition, I will also only present some of this theme just like how my tunes are only portions of a song, but not the whole song.  I will also take out the other elements that make this theme complete so that it matches how I set up my other tunes and themes.  The melody itself of this great and catchy theme is still the same melody, but will be set up like how I set up my themes and tunes.  

I am going to reveal to you the name of this theme song soon enough.  But do not look at the name of it now.  As a matter of fact, I will just present a link to the name rather than presenting the name here.  Anyway, if people listen to this and they tell me that this is nothing amazing or catchy like they do with my tunes, then the issue is not with the melodies I've chosen for my tunes, but the way I am presenting my tunes.  I might be choosing the wrong bass, chords, and leaving out necessary elements to properly convey my tunes.  Since the melody itself of this theme I am going to share to you is truly a great and catchy melody that is well known and well liked, then if people report that it is nothing great and nothing catchy, then this would mean they are blinded from seeing the greatness of this melody.  Likewise, I could really have some amazing tunes going on here and people are just blinded from seeing their greatness due to those factors I've just mentioned.  

However, if people report that this tune is something beautiful, great, and catchy, then the issue would have to be with my melodies because, if my melodies were something truly amazing and catchy as I say they are, then people would also be saying that they are something beautiful and amazing, too.  I would, thus, be creating melodies that I only perceive to be something catchy and amazing, but, in reality, are not.  I would find this quite frustrating if this is the case because I would just not understand what is going on here.  I would not understand why I cannot convey the catchy and amazing tunes I want and why I am the only one who sees them as something catchy and amazing.  I might have a theory as to why that would be though.  It could be because I just have no understanding of life or any given subject whatsoever and that I was wrong when I said that I can create amazing and catchy tunes in my head through pure instinct alone.  

Sure, music is something very profound and personal to me, but that does not all of a sudden mean that I am the master of it in my own head and can create any amazing and catchy tune through pure instinct alone.  Another factor could be that I just don't understand how others relate to music.  Thus, I would be bound to creating tunes that I think others would relate to in such a way that they find them to be catchy and amazing, but are really not and are just tunes that I personally perceive to be catchy and amazing.  This would be an issue that I would have to address somehow and I don't know how to go about addressing it.  After all, my goal and dream as a composer is to convey the catchy, profound, and powerful music I want to convey.  With all of this being said, I will now present this tune to you.  From there, I will present the link to the name of that tune in another post: 
 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 00:25:50 (permalink)
I don't understand, can you expand on that?

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 00:33:49 (permalink)
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I don't understand, can you expand on that?




No.  I've already explained everything as clearly as I could.  Just read it over and try to understand it.
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 00:55:51 (permalink)
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I don't understand, can you expand on that?




Actually, let me make matters much more easy for you.  All I am asking here is for you to listen to that tune I linked you to.  Just pretend that it's like any of my other tunes I create even though it's not.  Pretend that I am saying to you right now that this is an amazing, catchy tune that I, myself, have created.  From there, give your response to that tune.  If you report that it truly was an amazing, catchy tune, then this means that my tunes are nothing amazing and catchy and that I am just fooled into believing they are.  But if you report that it was nothing amazing and catchy, then this means that my tunes could be amazing and catchy and that I just need to find a way to convey them so that they truly become amazing and catchy to listeners. 
 
I am presenting that linked tune in the incomplete fashion I present my created tunes.  I am trying to figure out if the melodies I have going here with my tunes have the likelihood of being the amazing, catchy tunes I describe them to be and that I just need to complete them to make them so or if I am just delusional and they really are nothing great and catchy at all.  If everything I said to you is something you still cannot understand, then it is just too difficult for me to explain in such a way that others can understand.  But all I am asking here is, again, for you to listen to that tune and report whether the tune was something amazing and catchy or not. 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 00:56:44 (permalink)
I don't know what to add to this conversation, but I do know that it's easier to start a song or composition than to finish it.  I sometimes suspect that greatness begins at the end of the song rather than the beginning.

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 02:55:57 (permalink)
Elements? Like in a court room?

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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 05:15:44 (permalink)
I think, SMG....
that we ALL catch a bit of the "fire" when we're composing.
 
Right now, I have easily twice as much music theory and knowledge as I did 4 years ago - resulting from studying and practicing a lot.
 
BUT I feel like I actually managed to *lose* that spark that made my tunes simple, catchy, fun melodies because now my mind wants to tend towards music theory-based songwriting choices rather than trying to convey a mood or bring some emotion or thought-pattern forth from the listener. It's become more of a technical pursuit in writing things with the densest, jazziest chords and fullest instrumentations, rather than aiming for the simplicity than can come with a good set of chords and a quality melody with good lyrics.
I guess my point is that I feel like I personally am just on a small stop on the way to creating much greater stuff than what I could do 4 or 5 years ago. And just to think of where I might be able to end up in another 5 years of work in the same direction.
 
Not that my experience applies to what you're doing. I think if you're enjoying what you're doing, just keep truckin'. I personally don't know if I'm hearing "amazing", groundbreaking music being created, but I can definitely say that what you're making is you. That it's not necessarily likely someone is going to make the exact same melodic or harmonic choices as you, that no others will likely use the same synths/samples that you choose. Keep developing your style and production skills, don't necessarily settle on assuming that you've already reached the divine level of songwriting of the "masters"... there's always more to learn when it comes to music and sound! 

 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 07:10:52 (permalink)
Dude. Write what music you want to write. If you write songs  from "pure emotion" then you may dispense with writing sixteen paragraphs explaining your process.
 
Everyone will have an opinion of your songs, it will all be very subjective, and you shouldn't really care much. Write songs to please yourself.
 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 07:27:59 (permalink)
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I think, SMG....
that we ALL catch a bit of the "fire" when we're composing.
 
Right now, I have easily twice as much music theory and knowledge as I did 4 years ago - resulting from studying and practicing a lot.
 
BUT I feel like I actually managed to *lose* that spark that made my tunes simple, catchy, fun melodies because now my mind wants to tend towards music theory-based songwriting choices rather than trying to convey a mood or bring some emotion or thought-pattern forth from the listener. It's become more of a technical pursuit in writing things with the densest, jazziest chords and fullest instrumentations, rather than aiming for the simplicity than can come with a good set of chords and a quality melody with good lyrics.
I guess my point is that I feel like I personally am just on a small stop on the way to creating much greater stuff than what I could do 4 or 5 years ago. And just to think of where I might be able to end up in another 5 years of work in the same direction.
 
Not that my experience applies to what you're doing. I think if you're enjoying what you're doing, just keep truckin'. I personally don't know if I'm hearing "amazing", groundbreaking music being created, but I can definitely say that what you're making is you. That it's not necessarily likely someone is going to make the exact same melodic or harmonic choices as you, that no others will likely use the same synths/samples that you choose. Keep developing your style and production skills, don't necessarily settle on assuming that you've already reached the divine level of songwriting of the "masters"... there's always more to learn when it comes to music and sound! 




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Dude. Write what music you want to write. If you write songs  from "pure emotion" then you may dispense with writing sixteen paragraphs explaining your process.
 
Everyone will have an opinion of your songs, it will all be very subjective, and you shouldn't really care much. Write songs to please yourself.
 
Do you listen to/appreciate any music outside the realm of video games?
 
Cheers,
- Tom 




For me, I have never lost that spark.  I am inspired to create emotionally profound, catchy, and powerful tunes in my mind.  But, for whatever reason, these tunes I claim are catchy and amazing aren't at all.  That is why I have set up the premises and the conclusion in my previous post to figure out what is going on here.  Go ahead and read that post, listen to that tune I presented (which isn't my tune), and give your feedback.  My goal is to produce and share music that is catchy, profound, and powerful.  The emotion of music is something very important to me and it is vital that I produce music that isn't stale, lame, nothing catchy, and just not that good. 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 12:25:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2018/09/18 03:05:38
'Catchy'.
 
Happy by Pharrell Williams is catchy.
 
'Profound'. 'Amazing'. 'Powerful'
 
Handel's Messiah. Vaughan-Williams' Lark Ascending. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of The Moon.
 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/02 13:54:53 (permalink)
Alright, all I am asking is that others listen to this tune and report back to me whether this is a great and catchy tune or not.  Is it nothing great and nothing catchy like the rest of the tunes on my soundcloud account?
 
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Re: The brain has an amazing natural capability and I wish to share it 2018/03/03 06:02:59 (permalink)
I think you mistake complexity for quality. Miles davDa played relatively uncomplicated music but he was a genius because he was a leader. Your work is derivative.  

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