The vacation is over, where is X1b ?

Does the CW team still suffer from a hangover? Or is the X1b patch on its way this week?

jamescollins


I'm still just amazed at your signature - 48GB RAM and dual Xeon 16-core CPUs?!! Do you really need that?! Sounds like fun anyway!

Squeeze in 16 instances of PLAY and 25 of Kontakt for scoring to video, keep everyting in realtime, FX, mix .. and it all looks relative.

Does anybody expect x1b to be written during vacancy?
Sorry, but this demand is pure nonsense.

spanky

Supercomposer

jamescollins


I'm still just amazed at your signature - 48GB RAM and dual Xeon 16-core CPUs?!! Do you really need that?! Sounds like fun anyway!

Squeeze in 16 instances of PLAY and 25 of Kontakt for scoring to video, keep everyting in realtime, FX, mix .. and it all looks relative.

I'd love to hear something you've done! Is your music on the web anywhere?

On the web? yes, some new stuff has already appeared on several "pirate bays".
...but since I am bound to NDAs I can not tell anyone about anything ;)
 
But believe me you can do similiar work with much less than 48 GIG, the RAM and CPUS are not a "special recipe" by any means.

JClosed


Supercomposer may have a supercomputer, but he better had spend some money on some super reading-glasses.

It was clearly stated in several places X1b could be expected around the end of februari.

What is the sense of owning a supercomputer if you can't read what's on the screen?

Now I think of it - wait a minute....  how is it possible he is even typing when he can't read?

He must be an imposer! He is not the real Supercomposer!

.....

Ha, that was funny - now go out and play with the other kids, will ya?  .....

JClosed


no

ok

jimknopf

If a company can ask for my PAYMENT shortly before the whole end of the year vacation,

Yes, they can ;-)
You, on the other hand, don't have to buy or pay. You could have been patient reading the feeback from this forum before buying.
At least any halfway experienced computer user - not speaking of supercomputer users - would know that a first release of a complex program version will have bugs, and waited to see which ones and how relevant to him/her. Expecting a bugfree 1.0 X1 is just, well how do I name it as politely as possible - naif.

I can f****** expect my product getting fixed shortly after. Right? So, YES, I expect x1b A.S.A.P. NAMM, latest.. or ELSE

In your post, you had too much to do counting the asterixes in f******, to notice that you contradict yourself, while trying to be as impolite as possible.

First you asked for a 1b fix after vacatiion: pure nonsense, as I said.
Now you ask for that fix "A.S.A.P." and add "NAMM, latest"
Perhaps you should get clarity with your own demands before posting in the first place?

or ELSE

... or ELSE ???

Else we will see more posts of that kind from you?
That certainly will push the Cakewalk programmers to better get it going fast LOL

My proposition is that you Supercomposer buy as many DAWs as your supercomputer has cores.
Then you can post this kind of "I demand!" posts in 16 forums.
Wouldn't that be a nice perspective for someone like you?

First of all, my dear friend, or foe, how can so many users fall for a simple "shiny new name" like
 
drumroll:
X1
 
AND THINK it as a "NEW" version because it starts with 1.0 ? 
X1 should have been nothing more like a paid PATCH, a HOTFIX, a feature enhanced UPDATE for 8.5.3
 
which X1 actually is, if you take a look at the internal version numbering. It is in fact Sonar 9, nothing else, no rewrite, no "start from scratch".
-> what would THAT usually mean? THAT THERE ARE LESS BUGS than in the previous version, or AT LEAST a real lot of old bugs should be fixed. Correct?
 
Is this the case? Can you answer this with an honest yes? I highly doubt it. And this is why YOU are the naive one who falls for shiny marketing and names like "X1" and "Skylight" instead of looking at simple facts.
 
X1 is good old 8.5.3 with a new GUI and enhanced bugs + a good sounding VST plugin, which can not be used like a VST plugin because of the total integration into the system, called "Pro Channel". And by the way they broke ASIO (oops, sorry, small mistake) and AUDIOSNAP.. (errm.. sorry.. first we break it, then we deliver a fix. sometime)
 
and "ASAP" should mean no later then NAMM, if CW does not want to lose more credibility and more paying users.
But anyway, of course I do not use X1 for production, in fact it is deinstalled, BECAUSE it does not work as advertised. It would have been nice to use it, but yes, I fell for the false advertisement. Sorry, I am sorry I was wrong trusting CW they would not release something as buggy.
 
I can safely say, neither Steinberg, Avid/Digi nor Apple have ever been such a disappointment.
 

Supercomposer



I can safely say, neither Steinberg, Avid/Digi nor Apple have ever been such a disappointment.
 

now i know your talking rubbish... lets see a few choice examples

steinberg.. side chaining 8 months 2 late ? droping dsp factory support in 4.2 ... 64 version a "preview"

avid / m-audio ... currently ozone drivers not working properly in 64 bit (in 3 different sequencers).. so I've dumped them after 3 months of no "proper" reply.. go buy some RTAS plugs and locked sound cards.. oh yer.. and thanks to m audio UK people got reason 4 a month later than everyone else!!!

I really hope you weren't relying on your iphone to wake you on the 1st.. or are left handed.. hehe , but well over the years apple has it's few bleepers as well regarding their computers.

if your silly enough to believe everything is rosey ALL the time.. well maybe them 3 being the tip of the iceberg are a nice wake up call..

and when the are ready with the fixes updates... thats down to them..  I'd rather they took their time doing it than rush it out

perhaps you should re-read the story of the tortoise and the hare

p.s. happy new year..

Supercomposer

spanky

Supercomposer

jamescollins


I'm still just amazed at your signature - 48GB RAM and dual Xeon 16-core CPUs?!! Do you really need that?! Sounds like fun anyway!

Squeeze in 16 instances of PLAY and 25 of Kontakt for scoring to video, keep everyting in realtime, FX, mix .. and it all looks relative.

I'd love to hear something you've done! Is your music on the web anywhere?

On the web? yes, some new stuff has already appeared on several "pirate bays".
...but since I am bound to NDAs I can not tell anyone about anything ;)
 
But believe me you can do similiar work with much less than 48 GIG, the RAM and CPUS are not a "special recipe" by any means.

Riiiiigggghhhhhtttt.

Fog

Supercomposer



I can safely say, neither Steinberg, Avid/Digi nor Apple have ever been such a disappointment.

now i know your talking rubbish... lets see a few choice examples

steinberg.. side chaining 8 months 2 late ? droping dsp factory support in 4.2 ... 64 version a "preview"

Excuse me? so, you honestly compare a few months of missing SIDE CHAINING support and dropping support on a piece of museum hardware (called DSP factory) with X1 users having crashes, BSODS, audio engine stops, missing support for DOZENS of different manufacturers cards using ASIO, missing core functionality like audio snap + GUI wierdness ?  Anyone at home?
 
Also it´s interesting you mention the Steinberg 64 bit "preview" version from 2007. The core program was fully working, but they had a reason for calling it "preview": they felt responsible for informing the customer and released an official paper explaining why calling this "preview".
 
The reason was the lack of several 3rd party components which were present in the 32 bit version of the host but were not (and in some case still are not) available as x64 versions, therefore limiting functionality compared to the x86 version. So, several of the video codecs were missing, no 64 bit Rex / ReCycle support, no 64 bit ReWire, no 64 Bit Quicktime video engine component, no 64 bit 3rd mpex3 / prosoniq  time strech algorithm, missing x64 component for DTS/Dolby Encoder, etc. --- so calling it "preview" and making the customer aware did NOT make sense to you? Think again, "Pro".
 
So I really ask myself, should CW have felt responsible as well, calling X1 a "preview" too, with all the temporary bugs and missing functionality?
 
Sorry if it sounds a little harsh but I am really sick of false and uninformed statements about Avid/PT, SB, Presonus or any other company, some users who lack hands on experience should rather shut up and do some research before they post esoteric rumors about things they know nothing about. 

Supercomposer

Fog

Supercomposer



I can safely say, neither Steinberg, Avid/Digi nor Apple have ever been such a disappointment.

now i know your talking rubbish... lets see a few choice examples

steinberg.. side chaining 8 months 2 late ? droping dsp factory support in 4.2 ... 64 version a "preview"

Excuse me? so, you honestly compare a few months of missing SIDE CHAINING support and dropping support on a piece of museum hardware (called DSP factory) with X1 users having crashes, BSODS, audio engine stops, missing support for DOZENS of different manufacturers cards using ASIO, missing core functionality like audio snap + GUI wierdness ?  Anyone at home?
 
Also it´s interesting you mention the Steinberg 64 bit "preview" version from 2007. The core program was fully working, but they had a reason for calling it "preview": they felt responsible for informing the customer and released an official paper explaining why calling this "preview".
 
The reason was the lack of several 3rd party components which were present in the 32 bit version of the host but were not (and in some case still are not) available as x64 versions, therefore limiting functionality compared to the x86 version. So, several of the video codecs were missing, no 64 bit Rex / ReCycle support, no 64 bit ReWire, no 64 Bit Quicktime video engine component, no 64 bit 3rd mpex3 / prosoniq  time strech algorithm, missing x64 component for DTS/Dolby Encoder, etc. --- so calling it "preview" and making the customer aware did NOT make sense to you? Think again, "Pro".
 
So I really ask myself, should CW have felt responsible as well, calling X1 a "preview" too, with all the temporary bugs and missing functionality?
 
Sorry if it sounds a little harsh but I am really sick of false and uninformed statements about Avid/PT, SB, Presonus or any other company, some users who lack hands on experience should rather shut up and do some research before they post esoteric rumors about things they know nothing about. 

I noticed you went quiet when I mentioned the side chaining? what .. was that a rumour ? I guess not... I was one of many  customers who had to put up with that.. yet it took them 5 months + (I thought it was longer. but heck it's only a "few" right) to fix.. and your moaning about cake so quickly ? seems 1 rule for 1.. 1 for another, you seem to have a rather selective memory... that was part of my reason for the reply you got.

my dealings have been with various companies over the years. I didn't mention presonus anywhere in my last reply.. I suggest you go for an eye test , if your gonna quote things I didn't say there is no point to continue

are you saying that its acceptable for avid support to say "plug it in re-install drivers" for 3 months ? , when the problem is the  drivers themselves. They own M-audio.. so it's their responsibility to deal with customers, right?

the joke is you don't know my background. so not exactly rumours.. heck I suppose you want  me to even give you the email replies I got from them.. that would make it fact I guess

As long as Audiosnap quantise gets fixed and V-Vocal is made reliable (I don't like having to freeze everything to use it and hate the fact that any clip that has been edited by V-Vocal then bounced to clip appears to be muted but isn't)  then I'll be happy.
But please let it be soon.......like this week.

Waiting til the end of February is just going to feel like an age.
Functionality like this should work on the first release not a quarter of the way through the product's lifecycle.

As long as Audiosnap quantise gets fixed and V-Vocal is made reliable (I don't like having to freeze everything to use it and hate the fact that any clip that has been edited by V-Vocal then bounced to clip appears to be muted but isn't) then I'll be happy. But please let it be soon.......like this week. Waiting til the end of February is just going to feel like an age. Functionality like this should work on the first release not a quarter of the way through the product's lifecycle.

Totally agree with most of your post

except

If we force them to release the mod too early, we are just going to get more errors
causing more problems, and creating more 'Open letter to Cakewalk' type posts

KeithS

I'm realize that Cakewalk has not posted a download for the public but I couldn't help but notice, as I'm sure those who did immediatley get their serial numbers noticed, that if you install X1 without a serial number and registration code you get a functional product with a 30 day expiration date so the retail download can be a demo.  Considering what was going on during the first days after X1 went on sale with overworked servers, can you imagine the disaster on top of that disaster if Cake had links to a download the demo. 

Are you saying that, as a cakewalk user I can download the X1 and use it for a 30 days evaluation?

KeithS

Fernando


Are you saying that, as a cakewalk user I can download the X1 and use it for a 30 days evaluation?

What I'm saying is that if Cakewalk were providing a link to what the recent paying customer's purchased it has a 30 day kill date built into it if you don't put in a serial and registration number.  The only reason I know this is I ran it pending receipt of my serial number and it ran with a notice that it would only do so for 30 days. 

Thanks man .. appreciate the info.

Cakewalk lost a great opportunity there.