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2016/05/15 17:07:52 (permalink)

Time for my IK rant

 It's getting like malware.   No control of what gets installed.  It's nice that they give you free stuff but there is a price.
When I see T-RackS Classic Compressor in my user area it's that and a lot more.
 
It's like clicking on the freeware and all of a sudden you get what you didn't want and having Adaware remove them.
 
I had to remove 28 demo dlls from my plugin folders and careful not to delete my licensed ones.
 
 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 17:19:19 (permalink)
Guess I'll have to respectfully non-concur, it's all worth it to me. My music mixing is better now with IK Multimedia.
 
But I understand what you are saying and it is a deal to some.
 
But for me, life ain't never been a chairful of bowlies.
 
Now having my pc encrypted by bad guys or stolen by detritus. That's a big deal.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 17:37:05 (permalink)
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Guess I'll have to respectfully non-concur, it's all worth it to me. My music mixing is better now with IK Multimedia.
 
But I understand what you are saying and it is a deal to some.
 
But for me, life ain't never been a chairful of bowlies.
 
Now having my pc encrypted by bad guys or stolen by detritus. That's a big deal.




That wasn't this issue.  So I don't think you really understand.
 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 17:55:15 (permalink)
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That wasn't this issue.  So I don't think you really understand.
 

My apologies.
 
I thought you were referring to all the extra plugins listed I don't own when I go into the VST folder to instantiate one that I do have. It's a long list brought on by the dlls you referred to, I thought.
 
But perhaps I should have listened to my first instincts and just kept quiet. I had a few minutes to kill :)

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 17:57:44 (permalink)
It use to bother me too, but with the custom shop i understand why they do it. It's nice to be able to try everything without having to download it.
IK you either love them or hate them, but they do make good stuff, and you can get great deals if your patient.
 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 18:18:54 (permalink)
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It use to bother me too, but with the custom shop i understand why they do it. It's nice to be able to try everything without having to download it.
IK you either love them or hate them, but they do make good stuff, and you can get great deals if your patient.
 




This wasn't suppose to be a Custom Shop. It's not about the quality of plugins but the underhanded malware type installer.  Imagine if Waves or Melda did the exact same thing.
 
I learned my lesson on this one. Don't install a CS.  Another person had this same issue. There are some of those plugins in that folder I will eventually get but I don't want them in there now as demos.
 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 19:10:21 (permalink)
Softube does this also...their installer installs all the plugins
but only activates the licensed ones...others do this also


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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 20:29:16 (permalink)
Universal Audio does this for their UAD plugins. It is pretty annoying. I have all but one of the IK stuff so I never really noticed it.

I thought Melda does something like that too. I remember someone complaining on KVR about it.
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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 20:34:47 (permalink)
Yeah, it's a pain to have the demos plugging up ( :-) ) plugin lists ... I still love all of my IKM stuff though.
 
I created a custom layout that only shows what I own.  This works great unless you're using the T-RackS container.
 
In Reaper I use custom folders to present only what I use.  Reaper also has smart plugin folders, but I haven't been smart enough to figger those out.  Yet. 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/15 20:57:07 (permalink)
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Softube does this also...their installer installs all the plugins
but only activates the licensed ones...others do this also


Sort of, it moves the dll's to my vst folder when they're activated, the unactivated ones don't show up in my plugin list.


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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 00:00:04 (permalink)
Melda gives you a choice.  Waves always scares me. I've added a plugin and removed my other ones with their installer before.  Still the IK one works like malware but it's only with the T-racks stuff.   I'm still on V3 with T-racks and Amplitube.    I will eventually get more of the Tracks when the deal comes along.  Usually the 3rd party vendors have better offers than I don't even use my jam points.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 04:10:59 (permalink)
You can easily delete or better yet move demos to a demo folder. That'll make your plugins list a little cleaner.
What somewhat bothers me is the same issue with AT4. The modules I do and don't own are listed together which makes it very hard to browse for a desired module. Still haven't figured how to hide unwanted entries from lists.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 07:10:20 (permalink)
Hi there, I have done this by disabling the demos in plugin manager. Still a bit of a pain and you need to know which ones you have or don't have but at least it makes your list cleaner.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 07:16:24 (permalink)
+ 1
I like most of the Ik stuff,
but it´s imo like you  said: there is no control about what gets installed.
Also the "restore my gear" function of the CS is not really controlable.
That is like getting malware.
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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 09:12:22 (permalink)
Yeah I don't like it either. Since I make my own plugin list it isn't something I see very often. I spent a lot of time getting my system the way I wanted it and something you can't really control is not welcome. Having said that, I must be far enough from the discovery of this that it doesn't matter much anymore. It has seemed to be harmless so far. Still don't like it, though. 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 09:36:03 (permalink)
I've wasted time trying to find a plug-in I actually payed for with IK, and I haven't had the time to waste any more time removing the crud.
 

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 10:06:36 (permalink)
Looks like Melda installs presets for all plugins regardless of what you install. This doesn't bother me as I have the big bundle. Discussion was here on KVR.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 10:41:51 (permalink)
I don't like it either.  Imagine if all the devs did this, and you had to trudge through a ridiculously long list of inactive plugs to get to the ones you actually use?
 
They make great FX plugins, no doubt, but their programmers need to find a way to hide the inactive plugs.  When I see coding like this, I think "lazy" or "inefficient" or "idiot upper management".

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 11:21:24 (permalink)
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I don't like it either.  Imagine if all the devs did this, and you had to trudge through a ridiculously long list of inactive plugs to get to the ones you actually use?

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 11:50:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2016/05/16 12:39:14
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I've wasted time trying to find a plug-in I actually payed for with IK, and I haven't had the time to waste any more time removing the crud.
 


For future reference, your registered products are listed in your IK User Area http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea under "My Products" and you can also see what gear you have in Custom Shop under Gear --> My Gear.
 
If you still end up having issues or confusion while using these resources, IK Support is available at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support/mi/ or you can PM me and I will see what I can find out the the best of my abilities.
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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 12:25:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2016/05/16 12:52:12
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Starise
I've wasted time trying to find a plug-in I actually payed for with IK, and I haven't had the time to waste any more time removing the crud.
 


For future reference, your registered products are listed in your IK User Area http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea under "My Products" and you can also see what gear you have in Custom Shop under Gear --> My Gear.
 
If you still end up having issues or confusion while using these resources, IK Support is available at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support/mi/ or you can PM me and I will see what I can find out the the best of my abilities.



I think you're missing the point.  The fact that CS installs EVERYTHING, it ends up on the "List" of
VST's, regardless of whether or not you "own" it, and that's a headache, and NOT one WE should
have to endure.  ONLY what you own should be installed.   End of story.  It REALLY is THAT simple.


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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 15:03:35 (permalink)
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Starise
I've wasted time trying to find a plug-in I actually payed for with IK, and I haven't had the time to waste any more time removing the crud.
 


For future reference, your registered products are listed in your IK User Area http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea under "My Products" and you can also see what gear you have in Custom Shop under Gear --> My Gear.
 
If you still end up having issues or confusion while using these resources, IK Support is available at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support/mi/ or you can PM me and I will see what I can find out the the best of my abilities.



I think you're missing the point.  The fact that CS installs EVERYTHING, it ends up on the "List" of
VST's, regardless of whether or not you "own" it, and that's a headache, and NOT one WE should
have to endure.  ONLY what you own should be installed.   End of story.  It REALLY is THAT simple.


I was answering the post I quoted directly, not the thread's OP.  I did not miss the point of the post I quoted and replied to, nor of the thread.  The latter point has been made by some and relayed past, present, and will relayed be in the future as necessary.
 
Edit - Meant to also say thank you to Fleer for marking the aforementioned reply as helpful.
post edited by IK_Multimedia - 2016/05/16 15:26:23
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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 15:30:28 (permalink)
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Starise
I've wasted time trying to find a plug-in I actually payed for with IK, and I haven't had the time to waste any more time removing the crud.
 


For future reference, your registered products are listed in your IK User Area http://www.ikmultimedia.com/userarea under "My Products" and you can also see what gear you have in Custom Shop under Gear --> My Gear.
 
If you still end up having issues or confusion while using these resources, IK Support is available at http://www.ikmultimedia.com/contact-support/mi/ or you can PM me and I will see what I can find out the the best of my abilities.



I think you're missing the point.  The fact that CS installs EVERYTHING, it ends up on the "List" of
VST's, regardless of whether or not you "own" it, and that's a headache, and NOT one WE should
have to endure.  ONLY what you own should be installed.   End of story.  It REALLY is THAT simple.


I was answering the post I quoted directly, not the thread's OP.  I did not miss the point of the post I quoted and replied to, nor of the thread.  The latter point has been made by some and relayed past, present, and will relayed be in the future as necessary.
 
Edit - Meant to also say thank you to Fleer for marking the aforementioned reply as helpful.



In the context of the conversation, THAT is what he was talking about.
Wasting time trying find out what it is that you DO own...

When you open the VST list ALL the IK plugins are there...and if you're not
quite sure which ones you OWN, it's hard to "find" the ones you DO...and you
WASTE TIME when you pick one, and then it's one you don't own, and have to 
go back, remove it, pick another...etc...ad nauseum...whereas, if ONLY the ones
you DO own are there...there is "No issue"...

YES you did miss the POINT.


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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 15:46:10 (permalink)
Since Melda software is being somehow implicated as a bad actor, I must add my 2 cents.  The Melda installer presents itself as a list of all its various plugins.  You can check or uncheck each of them, or you can check or uncheck a box for all or none.  The installer for the whole of the plugins is small: around 120k (amazing!).  If you install something that you have not purchased, it runs in demo mode for something like a week.  If you don't want to see a list of plugins you do not own, selectively check what you own in the installer.
   Melda is one of the good guys!  You will search long and far to find a better, cleaner service.  I own the bundle which I purchased after buying several individual plugins, so I willingly declare my loyality.
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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 15:49:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/05/16 17:13:09
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Edit - Meant to also say thank you to Fleer for marking the aforementioned reply as helpful.


I believe you indeed do what you can, Peter, within the confines of your company's policies. Which is also why most of us criticize IK's policy, but we do not criticize you as a person. We love having you here. Your job ain't easy, for sure.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 16:28:06 (permalink)
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Since Melda software is being somehow implicated as a bad actor, I must add my 2 cents.  The Melda installer presents itself as a list of all its various plugins.  You can check or uncheck each of them, or you can check or uncheck a box for all or none.  The installer for the whole of the plugins is small: around 120k (amazing!).  If you install something that you have not purchased, it runs in demo mode for something like a week.  If you don't want to see a list of plugins you do not own, selectively check what you own in the installer.
   Melda is one of the good guys!  You will search long and far to find a better, cleaner service.  I own the bundle which I purchased after buying several individual plugins, so I willingly declare my loyality.

Also the Melda installer "remembers" which ones you've ticked to install from last time - so it really is not a problem. They are definitely one of the good guys.

I hate the IKM method too...

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 17:44:46 (permalink)
Yup its annoying, yup IKM drives me nuts, yup Peter is a good man. No idea why I chimed in, I'm high from Cinnamon tea and reading old Deadpool comics.
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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 19:35:24 (permalink)
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Edit - Meant to also say thank you to Fleer for marking the aforementioned reply as helpful.


I believe you indeed do what you can, Peter, within the confines of your company's policies. Which is also why most of us criticize IK's policy, but we do not criticize you as a person. We love having you here. Your job ain't easy, for sure.



^^^What he said...nothing meant in disrespect to you Pete, you're top notch...so
don't take my 'rants' personal...


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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 20:16:24 (permalink)
Glad to see some people get it. My VSTs are in the program files folders.  It's a lot of clicks and deleted.  It's like those old freeware packages where you don't read the yada yada and then you have to reset your web page and delete those unusual search engines.
 
I guess the simple solution is to buy a license of all of those T-Racks plugs. It is in the future when I get more money.

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Re: Time for my IK rant 2016/05/16 22:36:34 (permalink)
Time for another good old IK Group Buy :)

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