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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 15:46:50
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Why not....
How about
EZLawnmower
EZHaicut
EZMaid
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 15:56:48
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doesn't BIAB do that (with gusto).
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 16:07:01
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I guess I have all the EZs I need w/ EZ Drummer unless they come up w/ EZ re-string your guitars or EZ cable mess handler. That I could use.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 16:47:39
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Well, I'm kind of interested in that it may be EZier than BIAB, which I have found daunting (or I'm just too lazy to learn/remember all the styles in it). I used JammerPro6 to generate a small piano part once. Probably BIAB is just as easy. Guess I just need to take the time to learn it.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 17:06:41
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If it's a decent virtual instrument and sample library that alone would be worth the less than $149 street price. The midi files are just a good bonus for those por ol souls that can't play the dern thing. I do have to love near to pieces their touting that you can "transpose your track with just the click of a mouse"....wooooooo...that there midi is some powerful stuff. I betcha anythang you can just change your chords with just the click of a mouse too;-)
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 17:18:25
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Life is just a mouse click away?
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 17:23:16
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WTH, I pre-ordered it. Gotta love those mouse clicks....
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 19:05:19
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I for one love the concept of EZkeys. There are some of us who don't have the skills to put a keyboard track other than a few block chords. Is it a perfect situation? Well, since I sort of pitched the idea several years back both to TT and CW (and I don't take credit for the idea because who knows if it made any difference), I feel like I have a little ownership at stake. Will you get a Grammy award winning piano track by dragging and dropping midi clips? Definitely not but at least you have something to play for a real live keyboardist to get them going in the right direction and it will sound like a good mixed piano and that will help a lot of us. The dragging and dropping of midi piano clips takes a bit more thought (IMHO) than the same operation with EZdrummer because you have to consider the chord changes as well as the rhythm. I wish I could say more at this time but I have to stay within the limitations of what has been published. One thing that I know is that like EZdrummer, I wouldn't be surprised if EZkeys will continue to be developed and supported. I'm really hoping someday for EZb3, EZclavinet, EZrhodes and so on. Another interesting thing is that this sets up any competent keyboardist with a possible cottage industry where you can create midi keyboard grooves and fills and sell them to EZkeys users. I for one will be a customer. (In the past I have sliced and diced keyboard parts out of midi arrangements of popular songs I found on the Net.) More to come as time goes on.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 19:10:11
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Thanks Dave. That at least helps to justify my purchase. I had thought of this being a testbed/sketchpad type of program. Yes, I can see where it may take more work than EZD to create a sketch but it's gottta be eazier than what I'm capable of now. BTW, suggest EZStrings next time. Then EZHorns...  But tell them the is *absolutely* no reason for EZBass.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 19:11:46
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timidi
doesn't BIAB do that (with gusto).
I would love a BIAB version that has a focus on just keyboards. Just thinking about what you would have to do to get some sort of artificial intelligence thing going on makes my eyes cross just thinking about it. It's surprising that BIAB does as well as it does.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 19:13:34
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Rain
I guess I have all the EZs I need w/ EZ Drummer unless they come up w/ EZ re-string your guitars or EZ cable mess handler. That I could use.
LOL. I could use that EZcable mess handler myself. Everytime I go behind my mix desk it becomes a two day event. One thing that I have learned is not to do and drink multiple beers in the process. ;)
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 19:52:48
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From the sweetwater video, the only drag and drop midi file I heard was a chord. Big whoop. Am I missing something.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/02 20:21:46
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If only they had EZ talent injections. Then, I would be a junkie! lol!
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 00:12:26
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For me the big question is "what is the piano like". There are a lot of very nice pianos out there < $149.
As for the other features, they could be useful. You could consider it to be a very fancy arpeggiator.
You can already drag midi clips into a DAW and transpose them etc. You can use Sonars markers to set pitches and have you midi clips follow the markers. Its pretty standard stuff. Sonar's arpeggiator also overlaps the functionality to some extent. In fact a lot of the patterns in the arpeggiator library are fixed clips that transpose when you just hold down the root note.
But what look intresting here is it looks like you can also change the chord type of an existing clip. So being able to transpose a pattern from, say, C major to F9 without dragging notes in PRV would be a big step forward. As would the ability to try different inversions of the chord.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 00:22:10
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I can play keys so not needed at all for me! ;)
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 01:29:46
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How about EZ Roadie ?
Or an EZ girlfriend? HAHA J/k.... I am married but there were plenty of times that I was on the look out for those!
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 01:56:26
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Glyn Barnes
For me the big question is "what is the piano like". There are a lot of very nice pianos out there < $149.
As for the other features, they could be useful. You could consider it to be a very fancy arpeggiator.
You can already drag midi clips into a DAW and transpose them etc. You can use Sonars markers to set pitches and have you midi clips follow the markers. Its pretty standard stuff. Sonar's arpeggiator also overlaps the functionality to some extent. In fact a lot of the patterns in the arpeggiator library are fixed clips that transpose when you just hold down the root note.
But what look intresting here is it looks like you can also change the chord type of an existing clip. So being able to transpose a pattern from, say, C major to F9 without dragging notes in PRV would be a big step forward. As would the ability to try different inversions of the chord.
Despite my sarcastic comment, I'm one of those who could probably benefit from something like EZKeys - recording keys here means recording a few bars at a time, sometimes one hand at a time, and still often quantizing or manually fixing things in the piano roll afterwards. But I'm stubborn and since I don't really write much piano parts and have keyboard player friends who can re-record for me later, I'm ok. EZTonewheel would have been welcome earlier this week though.  The way I see it, it's not necessarily breakthrough features, but the way they're implemented, like in EZ Drummer. The integrated loop browser just makes things so much faster. Instead of importing midi files into your DAW to audition them, then add markers to transpose and all, you hear it all in real time, and everything is done directly from the plug-in's GUI, w/ only a few clicks. I would hope that the bundled piano library should be decent - and maybe expandable. But as w/ EZ Drummer, it can always be used to created the track which you can assign to a different instrument/library afterwards. EZ Drummer is still the best thing since sliced bread for me, even though I also use other libraries and instruments when it's time to render. It's so efficient, light on CPU and solid that I don't see myself w/o it.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 03:39:47
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Does anyone know if this is a plug in or a stand alone like Drumtracker?
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 03:45:47
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Works as a standalone application or as an RTAS, AU, or VST plug-in :)
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 10:49:27
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ChuckC
How about EZ Roadie ?
Or an EZ girlfriend? HAHA J/k.... I am married but there were plenty of times that I was on the look out for those!
Or an EZ girlfriend? HAHA J/k.... I am married but there were plenty of times that I was on the look out for those! Chuck: Paradise Tiki Hut in Cape Coral, lol..........I sat in with a band there years ago and wrote a song on the spot about an encounter there
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 10:57:41
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I don't consider myself a keyboard player, but I know what not to play on a tune, which is why I prefer playing my own parts.....I bought BIAB 2012 upgrade and it's been useful as far as coming up with new ideas......my question is....EZ keys, is it faster and more efficient to use this program hoping that the parts would actually work in a tune, or just play the part yourself that you already know is going to work?
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 11:55:21
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I imagine this thing will not replace Janet, will it?
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 12:57:25
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I like the chord wheel function. That could add some creative movement to something when your brain is tired. I play piano but sometimes the creative engine is on park and I need to get something done. That's a handy feature.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 12:57:47
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bapu
I imagine this thing will not replace Janet, will it?
Not unless it can chop wood, install windows and siding. Sheetrock, spackle, trim and paint too. Not to mention her landscaping and gardening skills. And way more then I can list in a post. So, Hell no! But it is much cheaper so I'm gonna go ahead and pre order too. Mike
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 13:24:33
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I for one love the concept of EZkeys. There are some of us who don't have the skills to put a keyboard track other than a few block chords. Is it a perfect situation? Well, since I sort of pitched the idea several years back both to TT and CW (and I don't take credit for the idea because who knows if it made any difference), I feel like I have a little ownership at stake.
Will you get a Grammy award winning piano track by dragging and dropping midi clips? Definitely not but at least you have something to play for a real live keyboardist to get them going in the right direction and it will sound like a good mixed piano and that will help a lot of us. I think you may be giving the NARAS a bit too much credit in the second paragraph. But otherwise I agree that this is a good concept. My keyboard skills are to the point where if I practiced these parts I could probably get it right after a few takes. I am not sure that that is always the best use of limited time, though. This could save a bunch of time and allow me to quickly work out and preview changes. You can also see a little bit of this in P5 and Kinetic in that they both have a library where you can drag or drop parts. Perhaps if they had developed this a bit further those products might have been more successful.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 13:50:44
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this discussion is making want to get BIAB. Bapu should send me his. Ya.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 13:52:07
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Ya. I do need to sit down and learn BIAB cuz I think this thing is going to too EZyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 14:13:05
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bapu
Ya. I do need to sit down and learn BIAB cuz I think this thing is going to too EZyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
yes you do. why do you buy every gizmo under the sun if you don't use it? I used to be a heavy BIAB user as I had to churn out lots of tunes for my one man band gig. That was like in 2000 or so before the audio implementation. I would think that the audio stuff would be pretty cool now. It was great for sketches and maybe even using a part here and there. With that in mind, I guess the EZpiano as a plug in could be cool. Simply because it's right there and drag and drop. Where, BIAB would require all kinds of export/import kind of stuff.
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Re:Toontrack's brand new plug-in
2012/03/03 17:40:32
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Gaffpro
I don't consider myself a keyboard player, but I know what not to play on a tune, which is why I prefer playing my own parts.....I bought BIAB 2012 upgrade and it's been useful as far as coming up with new ideas......my question is....EZ keys, is it faster and more efficient to use this program hoping that the parts would actually work in a tune, or just play the part yourself that you already know is going to work?
If you have keyboard skills and know what you want played then that will always be faster. But it's somewhat the same with EZdrummer. If you can play the beats in on a keyboard or drum controller it's always faster. Part ot the difficulty is finding the right groove in a collection of grooves to fit an existing song. And the more drum grooves you aquire the longer the search seems to be. I'm bound by NDA so I can't answer specific things, give examples or post how I'm learning how to manipulate the browser in SONAR and Reaper. The piano sounds good to me but don't expect it to be your goto sampler if you are doing piano dominant or piano solo type stuff. I would expect a keyboardist to prefer a more sophisticated piano sampler but a guitar slinging lower primate like me will never tap the features of some of the high priced piano samplers. That said, EZkeys has some pretty cool piano oriented stuff that only pianists would think of including. I'd have to double check but I think it has some features that Truepianos doesn't have and is missing a few that TP has. I'm restricted by NDA but when EZkeys is released I'll be happy to elaborate about it.
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