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Track bleeding through to vocal track
Hi,
I'm trying to do a vocal track and the midi track is bleeding into it.
Does anyone know why this is happening?
Thank you.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 00:56:17
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Hi! I might sound a little stupid and my post won't help you but I'm new here, I'm bought Music Creator this week and I'm not that good with english . . . (I talk french so . . .) What do you meen by "bleeding"????? 
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 00:58:12
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Bleediing means the vocal track is also recording the music tracks. in the sound cards applet, make sure that you do not have the stereo mix checked. Sometimes called what you hear.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 00:59:11
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Thank you Robo, I'll check that out right now....what are the soundcard applets???
post edited by No How - 2008/03/30 01:16:56
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 02:15:40
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I made sure everything is not stereo where i could find it. Not sure what soundcard applet you mean though. In MC3 i have input:Left Emu-ASIO Aux 1L. and in output: EMU ASIO ASIO out 1/2 It's still bleeding through onto vocal track. 
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 07:37:26
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"soundcard applet" means the EMU patchmix software (in your case). you need to check somewhere in your patchmix software to figure out if you've got a setting which tells it to record everything and not just the input channel. it's called "what u hear" on soundblaster cards, but i'm not sure what it's called in patchmix or where to find it. hopefully robert can help you with that.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 11:41:09
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Thank you, Beagle. I'll start rummaging through patchmix.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 12:08:11
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NH, What beagle is saying is 99% of the time the issue, so I have little to add there, but a couple things that I have had to adjust are.
1. How do you monitor during recording? Headphones or speakers? If speakers then the speaker output is being picked up by the mike. If headphones then sometimes the headphone out put is leaking out and still being heard by the mike.
2. Input monitoring can cause bleedover.
The E-MU is a by product of the same company as Sound Blaster so there may very well be a setting like Beag suggested look carefully
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 14:00:17
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 14:56:27
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Albert, have you found another good forum? This one IS getting a little boring. Nice, yes, but boring... 
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 15:32:23
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 15:40:15
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 If this weather doesn't warm up soon, I'll be wishing I was hibernating! Are you trying to get rid of me? 
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 16:01:13
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Rick, I just bumped the E-MU thread for you. With this setup, any existing tracks playing should not be getting to your audio inputs through Patchmix. Check the physical sound sourced that Robo mentioned, speakers and headphones being picked up by the mic. Are you using a mixer? I don't remember. Make sure the signal is not being fed back into that.
post edited by RobertB - 2008/03/30 17:33:50
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 22:32:12
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ORIGINAL: Robomusic
NH, What beagle is saying is 99% of the time the issue, so I have little to add there, but a couple things that I have had to adjust are.
1. How do you monitor during recording? Headphones or speakers? If speakers then the speaker output is being picked up by the mike. If headphones then sometimes the headphone out put is leaking out and still being heard by the mike.
2. Input monitoring can cause bleedover.
The E-MU is a by product of the same company as Sound Blaster so there may very well be a setting like Beag suggested look carefully
Haven't found it yet. 98 page instruction manual...like reading Chinese to me. I don't use (have) speakers so i do headphones. How could i get bleedover through input monitor? Is this a setting on MC3? (still perusing the patchmix instructions...looks like an AMAZING tool for someone with the capacity to understand this stuff.)
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 22:38:16
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ORIGINAL: RobertB
Rick,
I just bumped the E-MU thread for you.
With this setup, any existing tracks playing should not be getting to your audio inputs through Patchmix.
Check the physical sound sourced that Robo mentioned, speakers and headphones being picked up by the mic.
Are you using a mixer? I don't remember. Make sure the signal is not being fed back into that.
Hi Robert, there is no auditory bleeding from any source that is causing this. It is happening somehow through the interface. I don't know how to check for "input monitoring" yet but will be reading up on it when finish trying to find a "stereo" setting in patchmix. perhaps i should have taken up a different hobby like maybe nuclear fision as it would have been FAR easier.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 22:39:42
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Or brain surgery.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 22:43:27
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What is your input signal path?
Is there an external mixer?
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 22:44:15
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My brother the programmer has an Emu Proteus, and helping him on his set-up scared me away from Emu forever. Well, from PatchMix.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 23:08:34
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ORIGINAL: RobertB
What is your input signal path?
Is there an external mixer?
input signal path: mike into "TUBE MP" into E-MU0404 where is says "PCI CARD IN R". On MC3 my audio track says:Right E-MU ASIO Aux 1L. No other mixer. Right now with no mike plugged in there is activity - green bar is moving as if there is a signal coming from somewhere. Every time i click on the mouse there is a surge in the green bar.
post edited by No How - 2008/03/30 23:33:54
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 23:10:12
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ORIGINAL: Mamabear
Or brain surgery.
i am soooooooo ready to go from whine to wine.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/30 23:23:30
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Is that the green bar meter in MC?
Does it move even if a track is not playing?
Click on the E-MU icon in your systray (the 3 blue bars) Are the meters under PCI Card In L or PCI Card In R moving? If so, are they moving the same as your MC meter?
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 00:37:28
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Get rid of you?!?!? Me? Neeeeeeever!
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 00:44:22
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Why do I feel like I missed something?
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 00:56:32
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Where did you see it last?
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 07:41:29
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i am soooooooo ready to go from whine to wine. Don't do it! This stuff is already hard enough to do sober!  Rob--that's better. Why do I feel like I missed something? Sorry, Bob--you're actually trying to help Rick, aren't you? Excuse us!
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 08:28:54
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ORIGINAL: RobertB
Is that the green bar meter in MC?
Does it move even if a track is not playing?
Click on the E-MU icon in your systray (the 3 blue bars) Are the meters under PCI Card In L or PCI Card In R moving? If so, are they moving the same as your MC meter?
Yes, it's the green bar meter in MC. It moves even if nothing is playing and nothing is plugged in. I have the level under PCI Card R. When i move the volume lever up and down in MC3 on that audio track the green bars go crazy even though there is no microphone plugged in. Every click i make with my mouse makes the green bar move. (When i did have my mike plugged in the other night the levels were extraordinarily HIGH. i had to have it down very very low to keep from a wicked feedback.)
post edited by No How - 2008/03/31 10:26:09
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 19:16:14
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I opened a new project just to see if it would be the same thing and it is.
the green bar is showing a signal that is independant of any mike.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 19:20:38
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Check for a bad cord. disconnect each one at a time. something is either wrong in patchmap, or you are picking up some kind of inductance.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 19:33:19
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there are no loose connections.
I'm wondering if the buffer, latency settings can cause this?
when i turn up the level on MC3 not only does it get loud but very echo, *studderingly so.
*studderingly- new word invented out of desperation.
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RE: Track bleeding through to vocal track
2008/03/31 20:03:01
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I did not mention Loose connections, I said BAD connections. Don't be to quick to dismiss any and all options, there is a problem in your signal chain, something is introducing noise. Either a bad cable, bad sound card, bad connection, etc. Something is shakey.
I am at a loss right now, without being able to stare at it a bit. I suggest also posting ths over at E-MU. I will try a friend who uses a 1616M he hangs at times at the unofficial E-MU site I'll will see if I can get that address.
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