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Track view - right click menu madness
Am I the only one who thinks that the right-click menu in Track View (when clicking on a clip) is in a need of a complete overhaul?
Why copy/cut/paste/delete, all the options that should be the most accessible are hidden in a sub-menu, yet the Split option is in the main one, but in a different section?
Wouldn't it be better to have copy/cut/paste/delete/split in one segment, on the very top of the menu? Surely these options are used way more than let's say "Unlink Step Sequencer Clips".
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 07:04:21
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 18:20:13
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Thanks for your post. I think your spot-on. I hadn't ever thought about it B4, but a +1 from me too. 
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 19:06:34
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Makes some sense, but I almost never use menus for Cut/Copy/Paste, always keyboard shortcuts, so it doesn't really bother me. The same goes for other commands in that menu that I use frequently, Apply Trimming, Bounce to Clip(s), Split, and Unlink...
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 20:40:13
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I'd say that the current method is spot-on: keyboard and edit main menu commands for copy, paste etc are so easily available (and shortcut keys are standard Windows so everyone should know them) that more unusual and/or less easily accessible functions should be more quickly available via the right-click menu.
Of course, 8.x allowed you to customise the menus so everyone's favourite commands could be quickly accessed (or, like me, remove things like copy/paste compeletely!).
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Andrzej Salm
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 20:57:08
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It's very, very far away from "spot-on".
It's counter-intuitive, non-ergonomic and goes completely against any other Windows application that I am familiar with. Copy/paste/delete and "split" in this case should be easily accessible by right click.
It would improve arranging/editing clips greatly, at least for me.
Right-click menu is in a terrible mess right now.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 21:00:48
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I'd like to see delete special as a right click option, and agree that the default options on right click could be improved.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 21:35:42
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Andrzej Salm
It's very, very far away from "spot-on".
It's counter-intuitive, non-ergonomic and goes completely against any other Windows application that I am familiar with. Copy/paste/delete and "split" in this case should be easily accessible by right click.
It would improve arranging/editing clips greatly, at least for me.
Right-click menu is in a terrible mess right now.
just out of curiosity, do you use keyboard shortcuts (CNTRL+C / CNTRL+V / Delete key) ? If you do then why is there a bigger need to see these ? Not questioning your argument just trying to understand more why ?
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 21:55:15
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chuckebaby
just out of curiosity, do you use keyboard shortcuts (CNTRL+C / CNTRL+V / Delete key) ?
If you do then why is there a bigger need to see these ?
Not questioning your argument just trying to understand more why ?
I'm lazy. I prefer to use the mouse only whenever I can. I have to use the mouse to highlight a clip anyway and then to move the clip or the NowTime to desired position. While CtrlC/CtrlV are easy to do with the left hand (and still, it's an effort), hitting Del requires me to either slightly lean over to the right to reach it with my left hand or moving my right hand form the mouse to the keyboard. Not very ergonomic... Like I said before, right clicking to get to copy/paste/delete is pretty much standard across all Windows applications. I really don't understand why Cakewalk have decided to hide those options in a submenu.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 22:07:19
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I'm with the keyboard shortcut crowd. I can't remember the last time I used a context menu for cut/copy/paste. So I would want those in side menus to avoid making the context menu any longer/cluttered than it is now. Same with the View options.
You can always put them in the Custom section of the control and then they're only one click away...better than using a context menu.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/04 22:11:09
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All menus should be completely customizable to contain anything you want, and nothing you don't.
In an ideal world ...
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 01:50:33
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BobF
All menus should be completely customizable to contain anything you want, and nothing you don't.
In an ideal world ...
Support would go insane. "Ok, click on the Insert menu, and select 'Multiple Tracks'..." [pause] "Well then, what does your Insert menu show?" [pause] "Just out of curiosity, is there are reason why you put the Plug-In Manager there?" Then again, maybe "All menus should be completely customizable to contain anything you want, and nothing you don't" will fit into the ethos of Lenses at some point.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 01:58:03
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"Well then, what does your Insert menu show?" [pause] "Just out of curiosity, is there are reason why you put the Plug-In Manager there?"
Hilarious... 
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 02:16:44
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Anderton
BobF
All menus should be completely customizable to contain anything you want, and nothing you don't.
In an ideal world ...
Support would go insane. "Ok, click on the Insert menu, and select 'Multiple Tracks'..." [pause] "Well then, what does your Insert menu show?" [pause] "Just out of curiosity, is there are reason why you put the Plug-In Manager there?"
Then again, maybe "All menus should be completely customizable to contain anything you want, and nothing you don't" will fit into the ethos of Lenses at some point.
Point taken, but proven void in other applications. ;) I would personally find user customizable menus much more useful than Lenses. I still haven't figured what Lenses are supposed to be good for!! LOL
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 03:25:37
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IMHO all keyboard commands and shortcuts need to be banished forever, or at least be an option with a mouse or controller GUI only as an alternative ...
This is probably an argument for the mouse/keyboard vs. the XBox game pad controls, LOL! The keyboard offers a multitude more commands, but you do need a template to keep up with all of them! I do believe there is an advantage to either method, depending on your workflow.
Why not have a choice?
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 15:54:43
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☄ Helpfulby stevesweat 2017/03/13 12:55:12
Andrzej Salm
chuckebaby
just out of curiosity, do you use keyboard shortcuts (CNTRL+C / CNTRL+V / Delete key) ?
If you do then why is there a bigger need to see these ?
Not questioning your argument just trying to understand more why ?
While CtrlC/CtrlV are easy to do with the left hand (and still, it's an effort), hitting Del requires me to either slightly lean over to the right to reach it with my left hand or moving my right hand form the mouse to the keyboard. Not very ergonomic...
Here's my advise: Use the Custom module. I use it all the time. Its a great place for Copy, Paste and Delete. that's what it was created for. I use it for bounce to clips, save project, a lot of things. Give it a try and tell me what you think. Good luck man.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 16:30:01
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Anderton
I'm with the keyboard shortcut crowd. I can't remember the last time I used a context menu for cut/copy/paste. So I would want those in side menus to avoid making the context menu any longer/cluttered than it is now. Same with the View options.
You can always put them in the Custom section of the control and then they're only one click away...better than using a context menu.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 16:34:07
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chuckebaby
Here's my advise:
Use the Custom module. I use it all the time. Its a great place for Copy, Paste and Delete.
that's what it was created for. I use it for bounce to clips, save project, a lot of things.
Give it a try and tell me what you think.
Good luck man.
Thanks, I've already done that. Should've thought about it earlier. While it helps, it's not ideal. Why? Because it forces me to navigate away from the clip I'm working on, or the notes in PRV. Those few options should be available at hand after hitting RMB, I'll keep repeating it. They are there in every other program I use, like OpenOffice for example. I would actually love to have a right-click menu like the small middle-click one for tools. As it is now, the right-click one is a cluttered mess with many options that shouldn't be there at all.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 18:10:49
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The shortcuts really are the best option here. Its tough for Sonar to understand everyone's needs and please us all. what might be good for windows explorer, open office, exc, sometimes is not in DAW's. There are a few options. Hope you find one of them 
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/05 18:46:55
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I'm using the custom module in the toolbar for my often used commands. It makes life much easier. But I will say that when I'm doing editing and want to delete precisely, I like to keep my eyes on the track.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/12 21:26:05
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Still not happy about this.
For the keyboard shortcut crowd: I'm delighted for you. I really am. I've never said I want keyboard shortcuts removed. I prefer to use the mouse and think that copy/paste/delete should be easily accessible, that's all.
As it is, the right-click menu has 25 options now. Twenty five. The most important ones are hidden in a submenu for a reason I cannot comprehend.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/12 21:40:31
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Andrzej Salm
Still not happy about this.
For the keyboard shortcut crowd: I'm delighted for you. I really am. I've never said I want keyboard shortcuts removed. I prefer to use the mouse and think that copy/paste/delete should be easily accessible, that's all.
As it is, the right-click menu has 25 options now. Twenty five. The most important ones are hidden in a submenu for a reason I cannot comprehend.
2 words man.... Feature Requesthttp://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/12 22:33:26
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/12 23:03:56
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rcklln
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ext-menu-m3501616.aspx
I can respect the way you guys work no doubt. For me it wouldn't be practical (seeing more things in this menu than I need) and as far as the voting goes (1 vote so far) you guys are a small group. But like I said, I cant respect that.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/12 23:44:30
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rcklln
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ext-menu-m3501616.aspx
I typically use the delete key but when I am holding an instrument I am using one hand to operate Sonar and the extra movement can be annoying. Would be easier to just right click-->delete.
THIS^ gets to the very bottom of the problem and is something I only just realised: keyboard shortcuts are all good until I have my bass guitar on my lap and start recording. Then I need my left hand to support the bass when I'm quickly editing. I'd wager that all the advocates of keyboard&mouse combo who have posted here so far record OTHER people.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/13 11:38:26
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☄ Helpfulby rcklln 2017/03/13 17:42:55
for your feature request, maybe they could bring back some version of the menu customisation functionality from pre-x series?
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/13 12:50:42
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I very much agree with you. Some of the context menus are definitely not organized in an intuitive manner.
I don't typically use very many keyboard shortcuts in my workflows. However, I will say, for the few keyboard shortcuts that I do use, they are very handy.
In general, menus allow me to verify the operation I'm about to perform. Keyboard shortcuts don't allow for that. That's the main reason I use menus. (In fact, several times, I've caused mayhem when I was inadvertently pressing "shortcut keys" when I thought I was entering character data into an input box.)
Also, I consider myself more of a "casual" user of Sonar than a "professional" user. As such, I've not seen the necessity to optimize my workflow movements as much as some other users may require in order to meet demands.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/13 16:50:38
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Andrzej Salm
rcklln
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ext-menu-m3501616.aspx
I typically use the delete key but when I am holding an instrument I am using one hand to operate Sonar and the extra movement can be annoying. Would be easier to just right click-->delete.
THIS^ gets to the very bottom of the problem and is something I only just realised: keyboard shortcuts are all good until I have my bass guitar on my lap and start recording. Then I need my left hand to support the bass when I'm quickly editing.
I'd wager that all the advocates of keyboard&mouse combo who have posted here so far record OTHER people.
I use a combination of right click and keyboard shortcuts when I'm working. I am also a multi-instrumentalist and mostly record myself these days. However, the only command I ever have to use while actually recording a take and holding an instrument (apart from the transport) is "undo" when a take goes horribly wrong. I certainly don't start editing while holding an instrument! Admittedly, there was a time when I thought it was annoying that the cut, copy, delete menu items were hidden in a sub-menu, but then I found it so much easier to use the keyboard for those commands.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/13 17:42:29
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Andrzej Salm
I'd wager that all the advocates of keyboard&mouse combo who have posted here so far record OTHER people.
Sonar is flexible and there are many ways to use it so it may not be clear to some how this could make things a little easier. I use Sonar in many ways from traditional tracking and mixing, using it as a virtual band to rehearse against backing tracks, and composing/recording/arranging initial demos at the same time on the fly. The last is where it would help me.
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Re: Track view - right click menu madness
2017/03/13 20:06:05
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Andrzej Salm
keyboard shortcuts are all good until I have my bass guitar on my lap and start recording. Then I need my left hand to support the bass when I'm quickly editing.
Quickly editing ? While recording ? There's your problem right there
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