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2018/01/26 19:23:51 (permalink)

UAD Ox Amp Top Box

Apologies if already posted. This looks awesome though. Studio miked sounds from your tube amp at any volume. Expensive ($1299)
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/26 20:28:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/03/11 19:39:58
ouch!!
 
 
my solution:
 
weber mass lite attenuator, line out to interface
to Redwirez mixIR2 loaded in daw
G12M Greenback IR

mass lite = 196.00
mixIR2 = 49.00
IR=11.99

total cost = 256.99

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/29 15:03:29 (permalink)
Cost on the OX is high... but the cab modeling process isn't as static as an IR.
At least that's what they're claiming...
Based on what I've heard, this may be the best sounding (modeled) mic/cab option available.
Would love to have this connected to a Friedman BE-100.     HUGE and the cost to match!
 
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/30 18:25:38 (permalink)
I'd settle for the Friedman, but can't afford that either<G>!

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/30 22:41:21 (permalink)
The BE-100 is large and in charge...
Wish it wasn't $3700
 
I believe Friedman has a 50w model now... 
About $200 less.  

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/31 16:55:27 (permalink)
Here's a Sweetwater video:
https://youtu.be/_cNLcip9bQA
 
Sounds pretty good to me...

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/31 17:54:20 (permalink)
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The BE-100 is large and in charge...
Wish it wasn't $3700
 
I believe Friedman has a 50w model now... 
About $200 less.  


Well that's the answer then, isn't it? 50W is at least half as good as 100...

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/31 23:21:45 (permalink)
I had my finger on the trigger this afternoon... but backed away to think about it.
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/01/31 23:46:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2018/02/15 17:48:16
for that much dough,
i'd buy another amp!!
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/01 13:57:08 (permalink)
Someone on The Gear Page made a short demo using a Plexi clone into the OX.
Sounded amazingly good... very little work involved... and dead silent when recording.
 
Anyone played a Mesa Triple Crown?
The 50w model is about half the cost of the BE-100.
Had a Dual-Rec not too long ago.  Really didn't care for it's distortion (clean channel was nice).
The dirt sounded kind of "ratty" to me.  Hard to describe in words... just not complex or pleasant sounding distortion.
Tried tweaking it for weeks... 
The BE-100 OD pedal sounded nice thru the clean channel.  
 
The new 5150 with EL34s looks promising (at much lower cost).
I like the original 5150-III... though it has absurd amount of gain on the Red channel.
New models have separate volume for the Green and Blue channels (can now be properly balanced).
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/01 15:59:48 (permalink)
here's an example of a song i recorded (off the bats brew 'the time is magic' album),
that used a 60 watt mesa boogie markIIb head thru Palmer PDI-09 for direct recording.... monitoring thru an attenuator set at whisper volume, the palmer takes the signal BEFORE the attenuator...
no mics on any of the electric guitar parts
 
 
https://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/just-walked-away
 
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/01 17:40:46 (permalink)
Good guitar tones. Really good. The entire arrangement/production is excellent!

The only nit I could possibly pick - and I did listen on headphones - is dang I wish there was a way to get more controlled cross-talk. Some of the guitar tracks sound so isolated. And I don't think you can fix that with reverb - or at least I've not found a solution that works for me. The same is true for guitars recorded through loudspeakers and microphones, but the effect seems to be slightly less obvious.

Or maybe I just need my head examined???

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/01 17:54:51 (permalink)
Bat, that was excellent from top to bottom!
Liked the guitar a lot.

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/01 18:22:48 (permalink)
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The only nit I could possibly pick - and I did listen on headphones - is dang I wish there was a way to get more controlled cross-talk. Some of the guitar tracks sound so isolated. 

well, i wanted what i got, and worked to attain it...
 
i wanted total separation in this mix.  kinda like a steely dan mix. only rockier  :)
 
but, if i had wanted it to sound like 4 guitar players were actually playing together,
it would be very easy, to use a convolution reverb buss, and apply a bit to each individual guitar track,
basically would let them sound like they were all in the same room together at the same time.
 
 
and i do this on other mixes.
just not on this one.

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/01 18:25:21 (permalink)
but, back on topic,
this post i made was just to show what can be done with a simple direct box with a good cab filter built into it..
 
the weber i have, has a line out, and i can feed that directly to my interface and load a celestion 4x12 IR into the daw, and basically have the same thing as the UA device is doing, 
but with less control over the tonality of the thing.
but in my opinion, that happens at the amp, and how you set it for the purpose of direct recording.
 
i'd buy a custom low watt amp before i'd spend that much on a load box!
 
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/03 19:36:59 (permalink)
ONLY WORKS AT 44.1K?!

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/13 06:26:56 (permalink)
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Someone on The Gear Page made a short demo using a Plexi clone into the OX.
Sounded amazingly good... very little work involved... and dead silent when recording.
 
Anyone played a Mesa Triple Crown?
The 50w model is about half the cost of the BE-100.
Had a Dual-Rec not too long ago.  Really didn't care for it's distortion (clean channel was nice).
The dirt sounded kind of "ratty" to me.  Hard to describe in words... just not complex or pleasant sounding distortion.
Tried tweaking it for weeks... 
The BE-100 OD pedal sounded nice thru the clean channel.  
 
The new 5150 with EL34s looks promising (at much lower cost).
I like the original 5150-III... though it has absurd amount of gain on the Red channel.
New models have separate volume for the Green and Blue channels (can now be properly balanced).
 


I have the Triple Crown 50w and absolutely love it.  Clean is great sounding whether you leave it on the clean setting or flip the switch to give it a little bit of extra grit, the blue lo-gain channel has a pretty good range from light breakup to decent older hard rock and even 80s metal gain levels, and the red hi-gain has plenty of gain on tap for anyone.  The MIDI switching capabilities are just icing on the cake.  It's got a lot of the British vibe of a Marshall, but with a Mesa take on it.  It doesn't have the earth shattering low end of a Recto, but it has enough for what I use and it is tighter and more pleasing to me.  Some have said that it sits somewhere between a Mark and Recto in tonality and that it kind of has it's own thing going on.  I was interested in that or the JP-2C and was leaning toward the TC50 based on listening to every clip I could find.  Then I called Mesa of Hollywood and asked them for comparison, and they said that the blue channel was really the big advantage.  The JP-2C, has is more like a clean channel with two hi-gain channels that are fairly similar in voicings (with a few options on each of course), whereas the blue channel on the TC50 does the in-between sounds much better.
 
I also had the 50w 5150 III with the 6L6.  Mine had been modded with concentric volume controls, which the EL34 now has stock.  I liked it a lot too, but the TC50 covers more range of tones in my opinion. The 5150 seemed a bit more metal tonally is one way of describing it.  Not that the TC50 can't get metal, it's just capable of a lot more range than just metal.
 
A buddy of mine recently picked up the new EL34 flavored 5150 III 50w and he is using that over the Peavey 6505+ that he was using.  I've only heard it once myself and I liked the tones he had.  Would like to play around with one for a bit myself to see how it compares to my old 6L6 version.  I know it's got plenty of gain for him to use the blue channel for pretty hi-gain rhythm, and he doesn't turn up the gain too much when he kicks it over to red for solos, so it's got that over the top gain structure mine had.
 
Sorry for the thread derail, but Jim asked, and since he's built my last two DAWs and offered me and countless other great advice over the years, I had to chime in. :)

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/13 13:45:54 (permalink)
Thanks for elaborating on the Triple-Crown and the other heads.  I appreciate it!
 
I've had the 50w 5150-III a couple times. 
For the cost, I always thought it was very good (especially the Blue Channel). 
Red has a crazy amount of gain.  In one of my 5150s, I changed preamp tube/s... which tamed the Red channel a bit.
 
I got the Triple-Crown and the OX.
Like the Triple-Crown a lot.  Your description is right on.
The OX makes recording guitar ridiculously quick/easy.
 
Spoke to a top-notch local player while at GC this past weekend.
He had the OX for a couple weeks... and has since sold his Kemper.
His take:
"With the Kemper, I sound like everyone else.  With the OX, I sound like me."
"It sounds/feels like playing thru a well mic'd amp/cab."
 
The OX has a 50w and 100w switch (software).  I didn't read about this before hand...
Tried a Friedman PT-20.  To me, it just didn't have enough "umph" to work well with the OX.
The Triple-Crown works much better.  So many good sounding options on both the amp and OX...
 
Went to GC last weekend (Saturday - probably the worst day) to checkout the new 5150 with EL-34s.
The guys at GC were kind of "down" on that head (for whatever reason). 
They had it plugged into a ratty cab... and I couldn't get a decent listen to it.
 
I think the OX has (re)started my G.A.S. for multiple tube amps.  
 
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/13 19:39:07 (permalink)
This is the thing I really wanted. Looks freakin' awesome. The bummer, at least to me, was the app, which you need to go deep with the product, is Mac only!
 
I had a credit card out too ...
 
Great video on the unit where the guy tests out the Vox speaker sims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbQZSMXtyMg

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/14 11:50:52 (permalink)
The lack of PC support for the Editor is pretty short-sighted...
In the meantime, you can use an iPad to control the OX (instead of a Mac).
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/15 01:00:13 (permalink)
I agree with what you said about the 5150 III Jim.  I also swapped a couple of tubes to drop the gain a bit lower on the red channel and still never ran it past 11 o'clock on the dial. 
 
Congrats on the TC-50 and OX setup.  I bet that kicks all kinds of @$$. I'd be lying if I said I was't tempted to do that.  I've been using mics to record mine, but recently decided to get back into the Axe-FX thing.  I have the II, but couldn't resist getting on the list for the new Axe-FX III.  I think I'll be using it for effects with the amp live, but also using it in the studio. I like the way you can dial in everything on the amp for my live setup and adjust the solo boost to the right level, and tweak the tonestack on the amp without having to dig into an editor for the live setup, but like saving my presets with the exact settings I used for recording consistency with the AFX.

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/15 16:02:58 (permalink)
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The lack of PC support for the Editor is pretty short-sighted...
In the meantime, you can use an iPad to control the OX (instead of a Mac).


Interesting idea ... I wonder if I can get that app on my iPhone? That is something I already have.

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/02/15 20:45:49 (permalink)
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Interesting idea ... I wonder if I can get that app on my iPhone? That is something I already have.



Unfortunately... the OX control app doesn't work with an iPhone.
 
The OX was just released... 
I have to think UA will ultimately offer the control app for PC.

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/11 01:26:32 (permalink)
Received my OX yesterday (and an iPad 2017 to control it).
30 day "buyers remorse" package on both.
Spent a couple of hours today "noodling".
Will put it thru some rigorous testing the next couple of days and report back.
It "feels" right; cautiously optimistic...
 
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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/12 14:52:40 (permalink)
Very interested in your thoughts on OX, Tom.
IMO, A nice amp into OX sounds better than either the Kemper, Helix or Axe-FX.
It's not that those solutions sound bad (not by any stretch)... but the real amp just sounds more... real.
I'm sure it's similar to a pianist playing a real grand vs. a sample library.
 
Pete Thorn just released a half-hour video demo of the OX (used with various amps).
Sounds amazing...
Don't recall Pete producing anything that actually sounds bad.  
 
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/12 16:43:49 (permalink)
I can totally see a hole in the current equipment market for a product like this OxBox, but priced more within the "What normal humans can afford" category. There needs to be something at right about the $450-$650 price point that works similar to the OxBox, but obviously can also be controlled by PCs.
 
I realize I am just dreaming out loud here, but a few key features that I think will really push a unit like over the top would be:
 
  1. The ability to switch between 4, 8, and 16 ohm speaker loads to accommodate more types of classic amps
  2. The ability to load in, and travel with, 3rd party Impulse Responses. Meaning you would need to be able to upload you own personal IRs, or even just use your favorite OwnHammer IRs for example, into the box to BE USED LIVE with it
  3. The ability to control it with a PC as well as Mac
  4. The ability to use it as an amp attenuator to play live through a cranked tube amp at lower volumes
 
I was really close to buying one of these OxBoxes. The only thing that stopped me was the fact that I also would have needed an iPad to control it ... that all seemed just a little too "spendy" for me.
 
But geez, it shouldn't cost this much. I have a Two Notes Torpedo Captor that was only $249 or so. The materials to make this are not that expensive. It is all just mark up and realizing you currently have no competition in the market place that enables price points like this.

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/12 19:53:28 (permalink)
The OX isn't cheap, but you have to think about what's it's replacing (and what that's worth to you).
To put things into perspective, a single Royer R121 is about the price of the OX.
Considering you get a *reactive* load box (not static), dynamic speaker models (not static like an IR), multiple good sounding mics (including room mics), an attenuator, and quality DSP (EQ/Dynamics/Delay/Mod/Reverb)... I don't think the price is out of line.
 
The OX is a complete (silent) guitar recording front-end.
Those who don't have ideal physical space (for proper room ambience), those who don't have space for multiple guitar cabs, those who don't have an extensive collection of mics (not to mention quality preamps); For these folks, the OX is a good sounding, super convenient solution.
FWIW, The dynamic cab modeling sounds more lively than using IRs.
 
IMO, UA rushed OX to market a little early.
No support for Windows or Android was short-sighted.
Though UA have been tight-lipped about OX's future, I can't image OX not eventually supporting Windows . 
Looking at UA's track record, they ultimately supported Thunderbolt on PC with their Apollo series.
Too large a market-share to leave abandoned...
 
 
 
 

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/13 14:20:55 (permalink)
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I can totally see a hole in the current equipment market for a product like this OxBox, but priced more within the "What normal humans can afford" category. There needs to be something at right about the $450-$650 price point that works similar to the OxBox, but obviously can also be controlled by PCs.
 


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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/13 15:33:26 (permalink)
batsbrewSEE THREAD #2

 
Hmmm ... that one admittedly went over my head ...

it appears i've fallen off the tune-wagon yet again ...

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Re: UAD Ox Amp Top Box 2018/03/13 15:57:16 (permalink)
He meant post #2.  The cheap alternative the does a decent job.

They call 'em fingers, but I've never seen 'em fing. 
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