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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 22:59:52
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Thanks for the thoughtful analysis Danny.
The new Apollo does look amazing Middleman. But it's $4k NZ for the Quad. And a Thunderbolt enabled computer required.
Think I'll stick with Native for the time being.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 23:20:47
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Middleman
Plus UA just brought out the Apollo and it sets a new bar in audio recording devices. UA won't ever be a native based software company.
Is it "a new bar"?,I just hope they come through with the promised Win 7 support come Nth Hemispere Summer,also Scott[ADK] said something about the Firewire,should be good enough,and thunderbolt,while looking amazing on paper,won't,or shouldn't be totally necessarry[I hope not,as TB PCIe cards are gonna be a year away min. apparently] Bob S.
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BenMMusTech
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 23:30:37
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Middleman
Plus UA just brought out the Apollo and it sets a new bar in audio recording devices. UA won't ever be a native based software company.
Is it "a new bar"?,I just hope they come through with the promised Win 7 support come Nth Hemispere Summer,also Scott[ADK] said something about the Firewire,should be good enough,and thunderbolt,while looking amazing on paper,won't,or shouldn't be totally necessarry[I hope not,as TB PCIe cards are gonna be a year away min. apparently]
Bob S.
Bob were from the same home town I just realized, I was born at the queen elizabeth in 1976, lived in Christes Beach most of my early life. We'er luck we didn't end up in the Snowtown vault or the victim of THE FAMILY or Bevan Spencer von Einem. Yea it's a pity about the mac centricity of the Apollo unit, I def be waitinf for Thunderbolt, unless we are talking about PCIe for laptops I'm pretty sure they're at least some motherboards just realeased with Thunderbolt. Let me hunt around but until it becomes Win7 compatible it's all pie in the sky. Why lord, Why lord, does everything have to be mac centric Neb
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 23:36:26
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/07 09:46:18
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an observation or two from a self-confessed UA fanboy (since about 1980)... UA has made the choice, like Apple, to avoid the commodity mindset. If you want their plug-ins (and they are good) you have to buy a card. My UAD-1 has recently become obsolete. I'm not thrilled, but the trade in program is much better than I expected. If I had a laptop card I'd probably be a lot more annoyed, but I've had mine since Mackie was distributing them, so it owes me nothing. As far as the card vs native issue - they'd be fools to go native, the card is the best dongle out there, 100% effective. No card, no plugs. Smart business I think!
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/07 14:59:38
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I love both UAD and the ProChannel stuff. Personally I still choose UAD for compression as it feels more like a hardware compressor to me. I also use UAD for color. To me the EQ is still the coolest part of the Pro Channel, although the Tube Saturation is also very cool.
Being able to have this and tube saturation and a compressor on every channel before I start is also the bees knees. Way easier than inserting a VST on each channel for all these functions.
Interestingly, both the Pro Channel and the way Sonar works with UAD (freeze, apply effects, and etc. all work) are reasons why I use Sonar more than any other DAW when I can help it. Add on top of that the way Sonar integrates with 3rd party editors like iZotope RX and Celemony Melodyne Editor and it just seems crazy to use Pro Tools 9 unless I have to.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 05:12:23
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I tried Prochannel 1176 emulation agains all UAD 1176 pack. There is no way to compare this products. Prochannel 1176 doesnt have definition at all and sound is dull especially on extreme settings. Even old 1176LN is much better. I would like to know how good is nev Cakewalks LA2A emulation, but there is no chance to try it.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 05:41:53
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John
Ok I know it's time consuming and perhaps the Cake should do it themsleves, this is importent stuff. If The Cake can get the LA2 right and they have, then if the same can be said about the SSl and 1176, UAD have a fight on. It would be in the best interest of The Cake to do this testing and release. As I say as soon as The Fairchild and The Pultec are PC modules I will abandon UAD altogther. Also no one has told me whe the PCK4 is emulating, what console or have I missed the boat?? Explanation please. Neb
I don't know Ben. What you are asking CW to do is say in effect "we have a better plugin than you". To me that would start a war. One neither side could win. I rather CW do what it is doing in the way they are doing it. What they produce will be excepted or not.
Just getting magazines to make reviews - alone, or in comparison - is kind of normal. And each vendor has their own pride in the products - and does not use comparisons of this sort themselves. More anonymous like "the best hardware emulator" and similar are more likely to be seen. The UAD had plenty satisfied customers that upgraded their plugins on KVR(www.kvraudio.com/forum/). I don't remember if any tested Sonar versions.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 08:32:42
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BluerecordingStudios
I tried Prochannel 1176 emulation agains all UAD 1176 pack. There is no way to compare this products. Prochannel 1176 doesnt have definition at all and sound is dull especially on extreme settings. Even old 1176LN is much better. I would like to know how good is nev Cakewalks LA2A emulation, but there is no chance to try it.
So true. I didn't want to say what you said Blue because there are some Avid Cakewalk users here that don't want to hear "anything" bad about Cakewalk. Even if its true.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 08:34:31
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BenMMusTech
bobguitkillerleft
Middleman
Plus UA just brought out the Apollo and it sets a new bar in audio recording devices. UA won't ever be a native based software company.
Is it "a new bar"?,I just hope they come through with the promised Win 7 support come Nth Hemispere Summer,also Scott[ADK] said something about the Firewire,should be good enough,and thunderbolt,while looking amazing on paper,won't,or shouldn't be totally necessarry[I hope not,as TB PCIe cards are gonna be a year away min. apparently]
Bob S.
Bob were from the same home town I just realized, I was born at the queen elizabeth in 1976, lived in Christes Beach most of my early life.
We'er luck we didn't end up in the Snowtown vault or the victim of THE FAMILY or Bevan Spencer von Einem.
Yea it's a pity about the mac centricity of the Apollo unit, I def be waitinf for Thunderbolt, unless we are talking about PCIe for laptops I'm pretty sure they're at least some motherboards just realeased with Thunderbolt.
Let me hunt around but until it becomes Win7 compatible it's all pie in the sky.
Why lord, Why lord, does everything have to be mac centric
Neb
Ha,yeah I hear ya,I remember going to see Nirvana at Thebarton Town Hall,and Dave Grohl said from behind the kit "Isn't this the city with all the unsolved murders?" very sad,anyway I spent most of the 80s and 90s playing in Sydney,but I was born in Glenelg hospital but grew up in the hills, Iv'e never been to Tassie,but always hear its great. Over at GS, Scott and Vin [from AAVIM Technologies, Aussie DAW specialist] are both aware of the mac-centric vibe of UA as am I,but the apollo can run on standard Firewire[but W7 when??? JULY we'll see?],and yes a dual model is over $2,600,so I'm not going to be running one anytime soon. Once UA are 64,I would love to try their stuff,they must have something going on,in fact I read all about UA,before I even realised a DAW on computer was way ahead of a self contained workstation a la 2488 tascam or Roland VS 2480[not so long ago!] Cheers Bob S.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 09:02:34
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Plus UA just brought out the Apollo and it sets a new bar in audio recording devices. UA won't ever be a native based software company. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UA is not only a software company, but a hardware one as well. They sell DSP cards and are continuing to expand that side of the business with even more new DSP based products. DSP is a BIG part of their business model and a successful one at that. UA has the DSP plug-in niche, virtually all to themselves and that is how they differentiate themselves from for the rest of the pack. There is UA with it's popular DSP platform and then everyone else clumped together (native). I think the next thing we will see will be a line of new external UAD-2 devices with a built-in Thunderbolt port. Speaking of the Apollo, don't be surprised if UA starts a whole new product line based around the Apollo technology, as well. How about a slimmed down version (4in/10 out, Thunderbolt and a SOLO inside for realtime FX processing) for under $600 street. Perfect for a singer-songwriter/soloist that likes to just "plug & play", does not need ton of I/O and would like to get a taste of realtime UAD plug-ins. They can call it the "Apollo Mini".  I bet they would sell a boatload of them. Cheers, Billy Buck
post edited by Billy Buck - 2012/04/08 09:10:24
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 11:16:09
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BenMMusTech
Thought so here is a motherboard with Thunderbolt on board by ASUS
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3Plus/Crosshair_V_FormulaThunderBolt/
Neb
I could be wrong here, but I think the "Thunderbolt" name here is just the name of the audio card they are including. I don't believe it is a Thunderbolt port that would be used with something like the Apollo when available. Again, I could be wrong, Tom
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 12:05:46
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gtgarner
BluerecordingStudios
I tried Prochannel 1176 emulation agains all UAD 1176 pack. There is no way to compare this products. Prochannel 1176 doesnt have definition at all and sound is dull especially on extreme settings. Even old 1176LN is much better. I would like to know how good is nev Cakewalks LA2A emulation, but there is no chance to try it.
So true. I didn't want to say what you said Blue because there are some Avid Cakewalk users here that don't want to hear "anything" bad about Cakewalk. Even if its true.
I think this is fair. The 1176 emulation in the PC is not up to speed with the UAD versions however, I think the PC2A is definitely at par just a little different approach on the LA2A emulation.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/08 14:22:09
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Just a thought as to the DSP vs native discussion - the issue there to me is latency. At some point, computers can only do one thing at a time, they just do them very quickly. But when your processor starts to show utilization - as soon as it starts to show utilization - then things begin queuing up for it, and any time they spend in that que comes out in the end as latency. Yes, faster hardware obviates this point, to a point, you know? But the only way to really skirt it is running the plugs somewhere else, as in DSP processing that does not use your processor. Of course, the hardware bus becomes the next queue point, but it's a lot faster than the CPU. Or should be, in a well built DAW....
post edited by Michael Five - 2012/04/08 21:21:10
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