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UADvsSonar
Ok UAD have just released their 1176 emulator pack. Now lets get this straight: Sonar has an 1176 emulator, a SSL console emulator, the PCK4 emulator can someone elighten me as to what they are emualting with this plug?? and now The LA2. I'm not including The Concrete Limiter because it's emulating nothing. Ok are Cake trying to take on and take down UAD? Come on Cake give us a clue. I'm with you after hearing the almost nil difference between UAD's LA2 and Sonar's you could conceivably do it. Whats next??? Finally has anyone done AB testing of Cakes 1176, UAD's original 1176 and the real thing I want to hear that, same with the SSL console emualtor. Don't care about the PCK4 stuff becuase I don't know what it's emualting. So who else thinks Cake is trying to beat UAD at their own game and who else here is behind The Cake, I know I am starting to. Hold off on X2, Just leave it alone, I think the bugs have been ironed out yea??? In X1 Start thinking about the next Pro Channel module, maybe as everyone has suggested make them VST, thats up to you but I love this concept, I have always loved the Sonar mixer it's what hooked me in the first place. Ok next Pro Channel module has to be either some Abbey Road emualtions: Redd Console or FairChild or a Tape Echo (The Tape Echo though would def need to be a VST and not a PC module because it would make mixing messy) Neb Oh PS WERE IS MY VARISPEED?? 
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 19:59:35
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I don't have a UAD card so I'm happy to have what CW is offering.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:03:34
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John
I don't have a UAD card so I'm happy to have what CW is offering.
Hey John do you know where I can get those ab testing's I am after.
I really want to hear, after I hear the AB testing's of the LA2, it got me and I was on board with the Cake, the only plug I now use from UAD is The Fairchild.
Neb
PS glad we are not fighting, just PM if you I have gone down the wrong track, ok
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:04:54
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I will post a real 1176 vs Sonar 1176 vs UAD all versions 1176 for $100 prepaid to my paypal account.  I mean, that's a couple hours worth of work there.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:13:18
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I will post a real 1176 vs Sonar 1176 vs UAD all versions 1176 for $100 prepaid to my paypal account.
I mean, that's a couple hours worth of work there.
Ok I know it's time consuming and perhaps the Cake should do it themsleves, this is importent stuff. If The Cake can get the LA2 right and they have, then if the same can be said about the SSl and 1176, UAD have a fight on. It would be in the best interest of The Cake to do this testing and release. As I say as soon as The Fairchild and The Pultec are PC modules I will abandon UAD altogther. Also no one has told me whe the PCK4 is emulating, what console or have I missed the boat?? Explanation please. Neb
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:20:24
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BenMMusTech
John
I don't have a UAD card so I'm happy to have what CW is offering.
Hey John do you know where I can get those ab testing's I am after.
I really want to hear, after I hear the AB testing's of the LA2, it got me and I was on board with the Cake, the only plug I now use from UAD is The Fairchild.
Neb
PS glad we are not fighting, just PM if you I have gone down the wrong track, ok
We are not fighting. No need to be concerned about it either. My only point is to make sure that when people post asking questions they get accurate information. When I am wrong I hope someone will correct it. I count on that on this forum. I am not often wrong but over the years I have been inaccurate a very few times and someone has been there to correct the mistake. It isn't who gives the right answer its getting the right answer that matters. When it comes to the workings of Sonar and X1 I am very rarely wrong.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:25:05
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Ok I know it's time consuming and perhaps the Cake should do it themsleves, this is importent stuff. If The Cake can get the LA2 right and they have, then if the same can be said about the SSl and 1176, UAD have a fight on. It would be in the best interest of The Cake to do this testing and release. As I say as soon as The Fairchild and The Pultec are PC modules I will abandon UAD altogther. Also no one has told me whe the PCK4 is emulating, what console or have I missed the boat?? Explanation please. Neb I don't know Ben. What you are asking CW to do is say in effect "we have a better plugin than you". To me that would start a war. One neither side could win. I rather CW do what it is doing in the way they are doing it. What they produce will be excepted or not.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:36:25
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Yep i don't think they try to be like or beat them ....just trying to give cake user tools that we're all used to work with , enjoy and considered as a must have .....in a convient way of using it !!
All i can say is that having this in cakewalk pro studio back then would have been a dream !!
Last week end when trying the PC2A , i tried a whole mix with sonar only stuff : Excellent !
I'm just so used to my trident eq, cl1B , Ssl duende bus comp , sonnox limiter , Hdelay , Tsar Reverb ect ...
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 20:59:29
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BenMMusTech
Sonar has an 1176 emulator, a SSL console emulator, the PCK4 emulator can someone elighten me as to what they are emualting with this plug??
Ben: I do not know what the pck4 is emulating exactly; hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in here. It is implied in the name, however, that PCK4 is an SSL4000 type of "thing". At least that is what I hear in the 4k nomen. 4K = 4000 right? I am sure you have read this: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/ProChannel-Modules/PC4K-S-Type-Channel-Compressor.aspx
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:02:38
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John
Ok I know it's time consuming and perhaps the Cake should do it themsleves, this is importent stuff. If The Cake can get the LA2 right and they have, then if the same can be said about the SSl and 1176, UAD have a fight on. It would be in the best interest of The Cake to do this testing and release. As I say as soon as The Fairchild and The Pultec are PC modules I will abandon UAD altogther. Also no one has told me whe the PCK4 is emulating, what console or have I missed the boat?? Explanation please. Neb
I don't know Ben. What you are asking CW to do is say in effect "we have a better plugin than you". To me that would start a war. One neither side could win. I rather CW do what it is doing in the way they are doing it. What they produce will be excepted or not.
I know but what I am trying to do here is to have the best tools avaliable, I am slowy moving into the pro market (trying to set up mastering studio as we speak) and I want the best for my clients or potential clients. So if Cake can come up with a Fairchild and a Pultec my UAD becomes obsolete. I've answered my own question though in another thread, in that it's horses for courses one fairchild will not sound the same as the next. Ok time laugh and call me a fool!!! PS as I said John yea no were not fighting but also just PM if you think I have it wrong, learnt my lesson, that way we don't get into public slinging matches and that is better for us all. I am a reasonable man and if I have it wrong I will admit it I have the proverbial's. Peace Neb PS WERE IS MY VARISPEED
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:03:00
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Zo
Yep i don't think they try to be like or beat them ....just trying to give cake user tools that we're all used to work with , enjoy and considered as a must have .....in a convient way of using it !!
All i can say is that having this in cakewalk pro studio back then would have been a dream !!
Last week end when trying the PC2A , i tried a whole mix with sonar only stuff : Excellent !
I'm just so used to my trident eq, cl1B , Ssl duende bus comp , sonnox limiter , Hdelay , Tsar Reverb ect ...
Zo I am doing the same thing or almost. I am using CW's own plugins more and more. PC is a big part of this. Plus with the low hit on the CPU I find I go to them without the trepidation I would have with some other plugins. It really is a nice solution to the "which plugin" problem. Thank you CW.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:03:52
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BenMMusTech
Sonar has an 1176 emulator, a SSL console emulator, the PCK4 emulator can someone elighten me as to what they are emualting with this plug??
Ben: I do not know what the pck4 is emulating exactly; hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in here. It is implied in the name, however, that PCK4 is an SSL4000 type of "thing". At least that is what I hear in the 4k nomen. 4K = 4000 right? I am sure you have read this: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/ProChannel-Modules/PC4K-S-Type-Channel-Compressor.aspx
Ok so If I understand this, Cake are emulating two different types of SSL consoles, yea?? Thanks Neb
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:06:07
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Also John , the ProChannel structure gives the plugin in ProChannel a higher , let's say deeper access to the core of processing of sonar ;)
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:09:52
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Zo
Also John , the ProChannel structure gives the plugin in ProChannel a higher , let's say deeper access to the core of processing of sonar ;)
Thats a good point Zo. I think we have a very bright future with PC and X1. There is room for improvement but its a great start.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:13:05
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John
Zo
Also John , the ProChannel structure gives the plugin in ProChannel a higher , let's say deeper access to the core of processing of sonar ;)
Thats a good point Zo. I think we have a very bright future with PC and X1. There is room for improvement but its a great start.
I hate +1 but totaly agree. Please Cake can we have some more.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:21:20
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until the next step , i holding heavy use of it ....
sometime i want to put the pc process between 2 plugins in the fx bin .....no possible , only pre or post the whole fx bin ...we should have just slot in fx bin with destination:
Slot1: ssl duende channels tip
Slot2: PC2A
Slot3:Softube dynamite
Slot4:PC saturation
...some like that !!, a way to dock it horizontaly ala ableton or to have it floating and bigger : WINNER
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:24:44
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Please Cake can we have some more. LOL Ben that sounds like something out of Dickens. 
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 21:31:15
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John
Zo
Also John , the ProChannel structure gives the plugin in ProChannel a higher , let's say deeper access to the core of processing of sonar ;)
Thats a good point Zo. I think we have a very bright future with PC and X1. There is room for improvement but its a great start.
+1. Completely agree!
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 23:29:42
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Zo I am doing the same thing or almost. I am using CW's own plugins more and more. With the exception of a couple of free VST's, all I have ever used is Cakewalk software from start to finish of a project. I have Guitar Rig 4, but it came bundled with 8.5. I've used the demo of Ozone a couple times, but honestly, I was able to get the same results with everything in Sonar, it's just not laid out as nice.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 23:39:11
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/05 23:43:13
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Lanceindastudio
Oliver Twist :)
Of course "please cake can I have some more was oliver twist" but who said "I"m bringing culture to the masess" as I say I have parphrased it. Think 1977 and EMI studio's as it was called back then. Neb from the Nebula Neb
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 00:07:45
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Aside from "varispeed" you pretty much lost me on the rest of the rant.
Cake is far from the only company to release an emulation plugin. No one owns that concept. Putting some of those tools inside of the main program is hardly sinister towards any company that has a similar offering. Yo rant be cray cray.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 00:16:53
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Ben the PC4K is emulating the consoles track compressor
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 08:21:26
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Search around on the forum - I vaguely remember seeing another thread where someone compared the UAD emulation vs. the Prochannel vs. a hardware unit.
I don't have the hardware unit, so can't comment on that, however I do own the UAD card and have done some quick comparisons. My personal opinion (although others may disagree) is the Prochannel version sounds quite good and fairly similar to UADs, although there are some subtle differences. This doesn't necessairly make one 'better' than the other - just different in the way they react. It may be because the UAD version is a bit more resource intensive (has more latency), so it can be a bit more highly detailed, whereas the ProChannel version is lower latency, but I'm unsure.
I'm only a hobbyist, so the ProChannel version is more than sufficient for my needs and I find myself using my UAD-1 card strictly for Realverb pro since the ProChannel compressor and EQ releases. Given UAD just announced their newer drivers are going 64 bit and won't be backwards compatible with their UAD-1 cards, I'll likely not invest in a newer UAD-2 card, and rely on the ProChannel emulations and pickup a good native reverb plug - but ultimately it comes down to your ears - you may compare them and feel differently.
Hope that helps.
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 08:32:00
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Zo
Also John , the ProChannel structure gives the plugin in ProChannel a higher , let's say deeper access to the core of processing of sonar ;)
Thats a good point Zo. I think we have a very bright future with PC and X1. There is room for improvement but its a great start.
you guys know this for sure? I'd venture to guess that PC fx are VST's plugged in to sonar internally. If they aren't either that or DXi's, then cake would have had to develop a whole new plugin protocol for the PC. You can gain the business advantages of the PC without the technical expense in all likelihood. I daresay if it was a new plug protocol that worked better for whatever reason, that's something we'd have hearda bit of crowing about. JMO, though...
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 08:45:56
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No guessing about PC being VSTs. Noel already said they were; they are just locked to SONAR
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Re:UADvsSonar
2012/04/06 09:20:17
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Cakewalks at war with UAD, Waves with IK Multimedia, dogs fighting with cats - the classes rising up demanding equal access to the tools of the pros. Whats our audio world coming to? UAD's "game" is providing hardware emulation that utilizes external DSP processing power to free up youe CPU for whatever DAW you choose to use. Cakewalk's "game" is to provide a Window's based DAW with features that differentiate itself from a mass of other's in a very competitive market. Their efforts in the audio effects market have been primarily limited to "additional features" for their core product - Sonar. Yes, they do make, or partner with others to make, audio and MIDI effects, but aside from a few odd old DXi effects packages they offer on their store website, how exactly are they attempting to compete with UAD (a cross platform product) other than possibly offering alternatives/options (there is that word "options" again as in you don't have to buy it if you find other tools more useful to you) to their customer base as most of the plugins they have developed are tied to the purchase of Sonar - even the plugin that are VST format (which can be used in any other DAW) are not sold separately for users of other DAW programs. If it's all about the best tools for you, whats stopping you from using the best tools by Cakewalk offering another alternative?. Is Cakewalk stopping you from evaluating your options and going with whatever your final choice is? They are simply offering you an alternative to other choices you could make, nothing more nothing less - no grand conspiracy to take over the "optional" effects market (damn - there's that word again). Personally as a consumer, I love alternatives and options - it's what allows us to find the best solution that works for each and every one of us.
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