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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 10:39:33 (permalink)
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He responds to statements he imagines other people have said and never bothers to read or comment on the actual statement that he pretends to be addressing.

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 10:55:33 (permalink)
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public announcement:

Sandman5000 is a stalker who seems intent on harassing Jim R.

He responds to statements he imagines other people have said and never bothers to read or comment on the actual statement that he pretends to be addressing.

Review the advice accordingly.


that is a very un classy move there mike.  Im not stalking anybody.  Im simply giving my opinion and provided proof that backs it up.  Low blow trying to insult me cause I disagree with your opinion or that of another.  That is the point of these forums isn't it?  at its best,  there is a variety of opinions and then people can decide for themselves.  Look at the videos.  CLEARLY you can monitor via fx.  That is a good little unit for $200. And the irony of it all is that YOU come off as the stalker as you provide no opinion on the topic and just take the opportunity to personally insult and attack another member.  low move. 
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 11:00:51 (permalink)
You set the tone... I just play on the field.

The technical aspects of your discussion were not bolstered by accusing Jim of speaking without specific knowledge... especailly when he has already shown that he has specific knowledge... and even more so when in fact you both agree on the technical realities but you are so intent on harassing Jim that you can not see what you are doing.

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 11:04:46 (permalink)
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You set the tone... I just play on the field.

The technical aspects of your discussion were not bolstered by accusing Jim of speaking without specific knowledge... especailly when he has already shown that he has specific knowledge... and even more so when in fact you both agree on the technical realities but you are so intent on harassing Jim that you can not see what you are doing.

best regards,
mike


  obviously its you with the persona agenda.  Look at the FACTS.  Can you monitor with fx with this unit?  yes!  can you play soft synths n real time with fx?  yes!  videos show it.    personal attacks are not what I do.  i challenge opinions that I disagree with because I have personal experience.  Have you used the unit?
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 11:09:48 (permalink)
There is no argument here...
If the round-trip latency is low, you can effectively monitor in realtime thru *native* EFX/processing.
If the round-trip latency is high, you can not effectively monitor in realtime thru native EFX/processing.
There is no magic means of bypassing the laws of physics.
I already know the results... (and so do you) 
Thus, the reason you resist posting the screen capture showing RTL.
 
And yes, I did own a UX2...
Want to guess why I no longer have it?

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 11:14:33 (permalink)
Sandman, You're just trying to confuse the guy.

It has already been clearly stated that the UX2 works great... until you WANT to monitor THRU your DAW... then it's different and it sucks.

This has been clearly stated.

You should state your opinion that you like the UX2 and stop trying to confuse the guy.

If you feel that there is some lack of clarity in the discussion then provide a complete explanation.

The first part of your statement (the passive aggressive cheap shot) was so important for you to get out that you left the second part  incomplete. You don't fully explain the choice you were trying to force on the OP.

The UFX might be a very good choice for the OP... but you wouldn't know so let the person have some good info and state your opinion and be happy.

I want to very clear to any observers: Sandman5000 has been stalking Jim R for about a year, maybe more, he has some long standing disagreement that he has imagined in his own mind and he stops by to make biased and technically insufficient hit and run commentary on each occasion that he finds the subject of ADA gear being discussed.

best regards,
mike


edit spelling and syntax
post edited by mike_mccue - 2010/12/30 10:50:52


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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 11:19:03 (permalink)
mike,  that is just uncalled for and clearly demonstrates your personal agenda against me.  I in no way have time or energy to stalk anybody.  but you apparently do.  Again,  have you used the unit?  For $200 it's great.  What is unclear in the videos?  The guy already used pod farm so he likes the sound and will have no problem using the included fx to monitor in real time.  I don't get it? 


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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 12:43:22 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry

If you could swing a used FastTrack Ultra, you'd have an effective total RTL of 5.5ms... which makes playing/monitoring thru software EFX possible. 
Wow, I did not know this.  I've been looking at USB2 units for compact live use with a laptop.   I was only finding usable round-trip latencies in the RME FireFace-UC unit, which is also mucho mas dinero $$.  So, this is only true for the Fast Track Ultra, and not the lower models?

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 14:10:35 (permalink)
So, this is only true for the Fast Track Ultra, and not the lower models?

 
Yes, both the FastTrack Ultra and Ultra 8R (once put in high-performance mode), can use the 64-sample ASIO buffer size (which yields 5.5ms total round-trip latency).
Depending on the laptop, you may not be able to use high-performance mode.
If not, you're still got ~7ms TRL which is significantly better than most USB (and many low-cost Firewire) units.

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/23 23:18:39 (permalink)
Awesome, Jim.  Thanks (as usual) for the great information.

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/24 22:05:09 (permalink)
 Wow,this has become a little more interesting than I thought it would.I'm a guitarist and at the moment I'm using amp sims to record my guitar,I use soft synths(Kontac 4 Player and Kore 2 Player) for my bass and drum tracks,and occasional piano and organ.I don't use any effects while I'm recording,I apply them later.In the very near future I'll be micing up an amp for my guitar.I hope this helps with your suggestions.I'm leaning towards the UX2 but,if I can find a used Fast Track Ultra for the right price,thats what I'll get.Thanks for all of the info and opinions.Merry Chriistmas and Happy Holidays.
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 00:17:37 (permalink)
Is a Tascam U144 compatible with Sonar 8 PE? Running Windows 7 on a newer slimline Gateway with a Core i3 processer and a 1TB HD with 6 G's of RAM.

Thanks!
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 08:19:22 (permalink)
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Is a Tascam U144 compatible with Sonar 8 PE? Running Windows 7 on a newer slimline Gateway with a Core i3 processer and a 1TB HD with 6 G's of RAM.

Thanks!


yes and no.  yes, it's supposed to be compatible, no I personally don't recommend tascam units.  typically they have shotty drivers.  a lot of people use them without problems.  not all are as lucky.  for about the same money you'd spend on a US144, I'd recommend looking at the M-audio mobile pre mkII. or presonus audiobox usb, or the EMU 0404 USB.   those are all a little higher than the US144, but personally I think you'll be happier.

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 10:01:54 (permalink)
 How do the UX2 and M-Audio Fast Track Pro compare? How much difference is there between the Fast Track Pro and the Fast Track Ultra?
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 14:00:19 (permalink)
In my experience with tascam audio interfaces (I've tried or  have owned just about every USB interface out there),  they have crappy drivers.  That may have changed recently,  but that was my experience.

And I personally wouldn't buy used electronics.  I'm sure you can get lucky,  but it is a gamble.  I like having the warranty, just in case. 

M-Audio are ok,  but I don't like their sound quality.  To me, their over all quality is kind of cheap.

  Really,  it sounds like for your budget and what you want to do,  the UX2 will be a great fit for you. It sounds good,  has solid drivers,  you can monitor w fx if you want.  its low latency enough for real time synth playback..and  with the others you will have to still buy amp sim software. The UX2 included this software, as you know. If you like the line 6 sound,  you can't go wrong.

the best option would be is you could try out a few and see which one you like best?  May not be possible though. 


In my opinion anyway.  But,  as they say,  opinions are like mikes....  ;)


Merry Christmas!
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 14:11:22 (permalink)
How do the UX2 and M-Audio Fast Track Pro compare? How much difference is there between the Fast Track Pro and the Fast Track Ultra?

 
At that price point, there's not going to be a world of difference in fidelity.
The primary thing you're paying for the the Ultra version of the FastTrack is the excellent low round-trip latency performance.  (The Ultra and Utra 8R are the only FastTrack units that offer low round-trip latency.)
 
At their particular price points, it's hard to beat the overall features/performance/fidelity of the FastTrack Ultra units.

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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 15:00:10 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry



How do the UX2 and M-Audio Fast Track Pro compare? How much difference is there between the Fast Track Pro and the Fast Track Ultra?

 
At that price point, there's not going to be a world of difference in fidelity.
The primary thing you're paying for the the Ultra version of the FastTrack is the excellent low round-trip latency performance.  (The Ultra and Utra 8R are the only FastTrack units that offer low round-trip latency.)
 
At their particular price points, it's hard to beat the overall features/performance/fidelity of the FastTrack Ultra units.


  Thanks for the info Jim,I think I'm still going to settle for the UX2 because of the price.I'm also buying a midi keyboard controller at the same time,thats the reason for the $200 price range.I wish I could afford the Fast Track Ultra,I'll have to keep an eye on used gear..
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Re: USB Interfaces 2010/12/25 15:15:11 (permalink)
Let us know how you feel about the round trip trough SONAR latency once you've settled in to using it.

Have fun!

best regards,
mike


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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/28 05:31:52 (permalink)
USB stands for Universal Serial Bus. USB specification defines mechanical, electrical and protocol interface layers. The cables and connectors are fully defined. USB bus is a bidirectional serial interface bus. Differential NRZI transmitted isochronous and asynchronous devices.


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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/28 08:47:16 (permalink)
Yes,

Does it do a good job of real time streaming multiplexed video encoded with 5 channels of surround sound sync'd to SMPTE timecode with a genlock?


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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/28 13:19:32 (permalink)
that's a spammer mike - they're getting clever.  all he wants you to do is click on the link in his sig.  he contributes nothing of real value - in fact, it's probably a bot doing those.

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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/28 19:10:42 (permalink)
How does the Native Instruments Audio Kontrol 1 compare to the
Line6 UX2?
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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/28 19:32:59 (permalink)
Thanks Beagle,

 I thought we were gonna start arguing firewire vs USB again.

 I just noticed the new ZEDs are firewire and I thought... hmmm it ain't dead yet.

best,
mike


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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/28 20:46:47 (permalink)
Good thing!  I just bought a MOTU running it thru firewire (although this particular model has both USB and firewire, but I get lower latency with firewire than I do with USB).

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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/29 20:30:19 (permalink)
  Does the NI Audio Kontrol 1 have better latency than the Line6 UX2?
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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/29 21:05:29 (permalink)
I don't know, but you should note that the discussion above mentioned two different latency measurements.

So are you asking about the devices internal latency or the drivers latency with regard to a round trip through SONAR?

If you clarify which you are asking about someone may have an answer to provide.

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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/29 21:11:30 (permalink)
I'm asking about round trip latency and latency in general.Is the Audio Kontrol 1 on the same level as the UX2 or is it a step up,ingeneral?
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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/29 21:41:01 (permalink)
it's going to be on the same level as the UX2.

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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/29 21:53:00 (permalink)
Beagle


it's going to be on the same level as the UX2.


  Thanks Beagle.I'm going with the UX2 becuase I'm familiar with Line6 and I already have PodFarm2.
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Re:USB Interfaces 2010/12/30 04:08:32 (permalink)
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Beagle


it's going to be on the same level as the UX2.


  Thanks Beagle.I'm going with the UX2 becuase I'm familiar with Line6 and I already have PodFarm2.


here is a very detailed review of the UX2:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=642117
 
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