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Un installed Bandlab - SOLVED
Edit- I changed my mind after reading more about these issues.. I have re installed it. And thanks to Scook I got my PVR theme back. So ignore my rant. Water under the bridge. First I saw nothing new or improved over what I already have. I really hated the new PVR. Why of all things that were wrong with Sonar did they choose to change something that didn't need changing. I've never read of anyone complaining about the way the PVR looked! Then the Bandlab assistant becomes a nag screen that keeps popping up. Seems no way to disable it. So I uninstalled it too. It also showed as being third from the top of the list of background apps using memory. Typical shareware syndromes. And a warning. When you un install it - very much sharing files with your original Sonar so don't let it nuke those files. I am so disappointed that they didn't release something different. I don't like the way this is a lame duck "update" of what we already have and invasive to my system.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2018/04/07 02:57:08
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 16:27:54
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 16:37:30
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 16:57:01
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Cactus Music
First I saw nothing new or improved over what I already have. I really hated the new PVR. Why of all things that were wrong with Sonar did they choose to change something that didn't need changing. I've never read of anyone complaining about the way the PVR looked!
Well it is the early release version. I gave you a solution to the dark PRV in tungsten here. A new theme editor will follow if you wish to make any other changes. Cactus Music
Then the Bandlab assistant becomes a nag screen that keeps popping up. Seems no way to disable it. So I uninstalled it too.
It also showed as being third from the top of the list of background apps using memory.
Typical shareware syndromes.
This issue is being work on. The discussion thread is here. Use the quit option on the BA menu (gear in the upper left of the UI) to shut it down for the session. Cactus Music
And a warning. When you un install it - very much sharing files with your original Sonar so don't let it nuke those files.
I am so disappointed that they didn't release something different. I don't like the way this is a lame duck "update" of what we already have and invasive to my system.
Yes, in the end it is a version of SONAR. From my understanding 2017.11 with some adjustments made as a result of the sale. Not sure what else Noel and Ben could create in the time provided.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 17:05:44
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Thanks for that info, I'm optimistic that this will change down the road but I've never been one to jump on every update that came along.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 18:20:58
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2018/04/05 18:43:55
Leave it to some people to complain about free software.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 19:06:45
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Personally I am delighted there is a dark piano roll. I always wanted a dark background like FL Studio and this was one of the things I disliked about Sonar. I haven’t downloaded yet but I am this evening. I always felt the Piano Roll in Sonar wasn’t as intuitive as the one in Reason or FL Studio. It’s a powerful Piano Roll with lots of functionality. Don’t get me wrong. However the white background made it look like an Excel spreadsheet.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 19:24:36
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I'm not complaining, I just don't see the point in using it at this time, certainly down the road there will be more meat on the bone.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 19:28:16
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yes much like the SONAR EAP this release is not for everyone.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 19:32:42
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Cactus Music
I'm not complaining, I just don't see the point in using it at this time, certainly down the road there will be more meat on the bone.
Admittedly, it's got no more meat on the bone than what you have at the moment but, unlike Sonar, it's supported and all that for free. It works properly. What else do you want?
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 19:58:29
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☄ Helpfulby Lanceindastudio 2018/04/06 07:15:33
Cactus is correct in saying CbB offers few improvements over the November release of SONAR. It even takes a few things away, which may or may not be important to individual users. Personally, I plan to switch to the new version right away - knowing that I can easily switch back if some unforeseen showstopper is later revealed.
I would, however, be reluctant to uninstall it, even if I was disappointed by it. I can't guarantee that some existing SONAR files wouldn't also get removed.
There is really no compelling reason (AFAICT) to migrate to CbB immediately. Unless you're on an older version of SONAR, in which case you'll be delighted by the substantial upgrade for free!
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 20:02:11
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I didn't uninstall it, but I have to concur, I see little difference between it and my Free Home Studio version. The RED icon was a nice touch to keep me from getting lost. And I also dislike the dark PVR, cant see notes of the other tracks very well now. Will try that there trick posted above.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 20:43:36
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Cactus Music
First I saw nothing new or improved over what I already have. I really hated the new PVR. Why of all things that were wrong with Sonar did they choose to change something that didn't need changing. I've never read of anyone complaining about the way the PVR looked!
Then the Bandlab assistant becomes a nag screen that keeps popping up. Seems no way to disable it. So I uninstalled it too.
It also showed as being third from the top of the list of background apps using memory.
Typical shareware syndromes.
And a warning. When you un install it - very much sharing files with your original Sonar so don't let it nuke those files.
I am so disappointed that they didn't release something different. I don't like the way this is a lame duck "update" of what we already have and invasive to my system.
Bandlab Assistant is running three process 129,088k,38,764,91.384. Right-click and once you end one process the other two just disappear as well.Bitflipper gave a way to get it from starting up each time
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 20:56:02
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☄ Helpfulby cliffr 2018/04/06 15:57:39
There are pretty massive differences from Home Studio to CbB, which is essentially the same feature set as Platinum. You can refer to this comp chart which only shows a few differences but there are even more features missing from HS. http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions Besides track and bus limits, its missing the prochannel, flexible control bar, synth rack, vocalsync, aux tracks, mix recall, and more. Regarding the PRV, the change was something that should have been there from the get go when we introduced themes and work had started on this before Cakewalk was shut down. As such it finishes the work of themes. If you switch to the mercury theme you can get back the light look of the PRV that you like. There are also other internal things in CbB. One small one was the code is compiled for the latest windows SDK which makes it even more Win10 compatible. Its pretty much the same amount of things you would get in a typical new months release last year. Of course there are a ton of things on top of that we had to do to make it a brand new app independent of SONAR. But of course most users don't care about that stuff :) For the reasons Bitflipper pointed out I don't recommend uninstalling either Plat or CbB since it might affect the other install.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 20:57:32
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☄ Helpfulby elsongs 2018/04/06 08:49:34
Also we're currently testing changes to BA that will allow users to stop it running on startup, as well as some other fixes to it to make it more compatible with AV programs.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 22:46:24
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Thanks Noel - as a HS user who posted in the release announcement thread with that query about the differences but didn't get a response that was useful. My other key question is whether your changes in BA will include letting us choose our additional content install path as I only have a 256Gb SSD and it would be useful to have the extra content (presumably there is more content than I currently have with HS) but I understand it is quite a large install!
I'm holding off in the hope that that will be addressed
Cheers for all the info - great customer service!
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 22:59:18
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Yes we will be allowing for customizing the content path. Just didn't have time to do it in time for release.
You can always change it after the fact manually however...
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 23:07:05
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That's great thanks - I'll wait for the option just to be on the safe side :-) Any rough idea on timescale for that update?
Would I be correct in thinking that if I install the Cakewalk .exe file and the content files then that will have no impact on my HS install? I noticed elsewhere that there seems to be an issue with AIR plugins in Cakewalk and I have a few of those which I will want to use in HS until the issue is resolved in CW
Thanks again
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/05 23:24:24
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All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 00:43:58
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Thanks for chiming in Noel.. OK, you guys talked me back on board... I have re installed it and will give it a Go. Here's what I mean about the PRV. I'll just have to squint :)  The other thing that bugs me is the controller pane in the new PVR the graphs are white or very pale. Old version they followed the color of the track. I really don't see the appeal of making it harder to see? I guess I'll have to learn about the theme editor.  I tried Mercury and it gives me a correct PRV but makes the rest of Sonar way to colorful. 
post edited by Ben Staton [Cakewalk] - 2018/04/06 11:03:50
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 00:57:13
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I suggest the man who has a picture of a troll for his avatar turn his monitor brightness up if he can't see properly.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 01:30:15
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That was real helpfull!
And it's not a troll it's a Yard Gnome. BIG difference.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab - SOLVED
2018/04/06 05:59:55
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Cactus Music
I really hated the new PVR. Why of all things that were wrong with Sonar did they choose to change something that didn't need changing. I've never read of anyone complaining about the way the PVR looked!
Yea. The Post 2017.01 PRV changes were enough to make me never go past 2017.01. The work flow slow down was just too much for me. The great thing about BLCW is that is can be installed along side of SPLAT with no problems so I will give the slower *mouse needy* less efficient and harder to see PRV an other chance, but most likely just to point out the specific ways it doesn't measure up to the 2017.01 version when it comes to speed of manipulation. Sure, there are some good things about it, I particularly liked the new controller pane design, but the loss of hot keys killed it for me with post 2017.01 SPLAT. I'm glad it's back and that it can be installed along side of SPLAT. Without that bonus I'd be staying with 2017.01 til the cows come home.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 07:01:16
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 08:17:02
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Thanks for the confirmation bitflipper
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 09:41:17
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doesn't home studio also share the same "shared folders" directories as sonar? that's the thing (and shared registry keys) that stops different sonar version installs being genuinely seperated
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 10:26:36
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 10:44:55
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only bandlab can answer definitively, and it is a question that's kept coming up over the years, but cakewalk never answered/clarified it
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 11:14:30
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☄ Helpfulby Cactus Music 2018/04/06 16:35:42
Cactus Music
I tried Mercury and it gives me a correct PRV but makes the rest of Sonar way to colorful.
If you're referring to the colorful track strip headers, you can disable that in Preferences -> Colors, by unchecking " Show strip colors". Hope that helps.
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Re: Un installed Bandlab
2018/04/06 11:33:59
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AIR instruments are working fine in my case.
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