Unable to enter BIOS

I am not able to enter BIOS. I had issue with NI Maschine Controller where when it connected, Windows were not able to load and would go in to restart loop. So I settled with disconnecting Maschine controller and only connect it after Windows fully loaded. Been working with NI tech support with no resolution.
 
Well- when Windows not able to load and goes in to loop, then it attempts to self-fix itself. When this happens- I abort this process to avoid it uninstalling stuff and reverting to "Best Known Configurations". While dealing with all this trouble, I was able to enter BIOS and disable legacy USB 3 support and such things.
 
The other day I did 2 things: I installed new Toshiba SSD and attempted to change slots of the memory (It was 1A1B and it supposed to be in 1B2B- minor thing- it was working fine in 1A1B, but I thought- I will try to move it). After that- the BIOS would not load. When pressing F2 it goes in to black screen for a second and then OS loads. Some time I can see the Black with white text screen that usually precede BIOS, but that disappears and OS loads.
 
I changed memory back to where it was- 1A1B. The Toshiba SSD was recognized with no problems, formatted and works fine. I was able to enter BIOS few times after that. It appears- it only loads once out of 5 attempts. I am trying to contact Asus but they would not reply. BIOS is pretty important program for hardware operations and I like it to work properly.
 
There is update to BIOS, but it is difficult risky process to do- BIOS Flashback may or may not work. It may flash few times and turn solid light as if it failed, and then all system may fail. Should I attempt top update? If my BIOS already corrupted, updating it may not be good idea. I do not know if it is new installer or if it based on old installation. Any thoughts?

I've been warned that flashing the BIOS on an already configured system is a bad idea and can cause all sorts of wackiness. Especially if you are unsure of exactly what you are doing. You may want to leave that alone or call a pro.

This is the Motherboard's page: http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P8Z77V_PROTHUNDERBOLT/#support_Download_36
 
The manual says- the memory belongs in to A2B2. I did not read right, so I installed it in A1B1. The reason I wanted to move it was because Maschine was failing OS boot and I could not think anything else would cause it. Maschine is connected to USB 2.0 on the back, but I did try it on the front port- the same thing. I did try different cable. There other USB devices on the back and they all work fine (well- accept Novation Launchkey midi controller, that works better on the front). Maschine wracks boot like a tornado- I don't know how my computer recovers after it. The tech support does nothing- told me to uninsrtalll drivers- I did- did not help- they told me to clean registry from keys...
 
I did BIOS flashback before and it is very sensitive. But not being able to enter BIOS makes me thing- it is corrupted or something. It gets to the screen but can not load and goes in to OS.

I did- at least 10 minutes ago.

Thank you for your replies. I spoke with Asus tech support and they suggested to reset CMOS. I did that to no improvement. Then I
went on and updated BIOS. So far- it entered BIOS couple of times, so I hope it is fixed. Now I am wondering... Can you think of any reasons why hardware USB MIDI controller (Maschine) would cause Windows not load? The Asus guy had no idea. It puts Windows trough the loop of restarts and eventually it wants to repair itself. I was told by native instruments to reinstall drivers, which did not help. So now they say to reinstall it again and delete registry keys if they still there. I am wondering if that loop caused my BIOS to corrupt. I am pretty sure- deleting registry keys and reinstalling the same driver would not fix it and put it right back in to loop and may affect my BIOS again (if it related in any way). They will have new software version next month but they want $99 for it. This is way unfair. Any thoughts? Thank you.  

In order for Sonar to work properly, the computer needs to boot, right...
 
I have seen compuyers not being able to boot when USB drive is connected (My Laptop does this). But it would just stay dark screen. In case with Maschine, it would attempt to boot Windows- I would see the Windows Logo, so it looking on the right drive, but then fails.  

Maschine uses the NI Hardware driver service (NIHardwareService by name).
Go into Services and disable it or set it to manual.
See if that helps.
On my system it is set to start automatically. Manual should be good enough I would think.

 
Do you mean- disable it in advance?
 
I did what tech support told me with registry keys clearing- nothing helped. Here is the thread on NI forum. Please, read my last post on the page 2: http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?198913-Windows-8-unable-to-boot-with-Maschine-controller-connected-via-USB 

You don't have to reply- at all. No pressure. Computer and all it's components are parts of Sonar environment. There is plenty room for all threads. All my friends are in this forum. I am talking to people who care about my problems and willing to help- they do not always read in other forums. This was urgent.

vladasyn
You don't have to reply- at all. No pressure. Computer and all it's components are parts of Sonar environment. There is plenty room for all threads. All my friends are in this forum. I am talking to people who care about my problems and willing to help- they do not always read in other forums. This was urgent.

Well, you might be shooting yourself in the foot here, because in the Computer forum there are people who work on computers for a living and would most likely see your post much faster and able to help you more effectively there.  To bad it seems you will only look for solutions from your friends and that only they care about your problems.  Doesn't seem like you are getting what you need nonethless.  You can take it personal or take it as some useful advise.  It's your problem, not mine.

hi vladasyn, 
you're running a newer motherboard with uefi bios and windows 8. these aren't your typical old-school bios programs. one of the things that happens is that a lot of people will put their machines into "fast" boot mode which typically bypasses the ability to launch bios at startup.  the solution is, in windows 8, to hit the window key+i and select "change pc settings" at the bottom of the system settings panel.  then, in pc settings, select "general" and scroll down in the right pane and select "restart now" under advanced startup.  when the restart screen comes up select the "troubleshoot" button then the "advanced options" button on the next screen, then "uefi firmware" on the last screen.  that will boot you into bios.  once there, the settings you need to check are:
boot speed - should be set to normal (not fast)
beep sound = off
usb legacy emulation = enabled
boot mode (typically under advanced submenu) = "uefi boot" **** if your computer does not start normally, change this to "csm boot"***
 
most bios in windows 8 will be accessible through a windows app. most commonly, you go to the windows 8 start screen and type "sys" and you'll likely see a "system settings" icon that you can click on to change bios properties from within windows.  
 
 

 
hth, 
 

Swamptooth, thank you for your detailed post. I will check my settings. I may have enabled fast boot. But I am not fully sure I understand what you mean by "bypassing" BIOS. It never loads in to BIOS right away- it always offers to press F2 or Delete to enter BIOS. The problem was that it was not responding to F2 or Delete, or responding to it once out of 5 boot attempts. That problem started without me changing settings. It was able to enter BIOS when pressing F2, and then- no more. It got fixed by BIOS update and CMOS clearing (which could change settings to normal boot), but the fact is- it was loading and then it stoped and then it started. But I will use your suggestions, thank you.
 
Robert, seriously? I know- you know what you talking about- most of the time. lol. There is nothing wrong with the computer. It just does not like Maschine being connected on boot. And I am trying to figure it out. Also- can you, please, remind me what software you use to grab audio from Youtube? I think- you missed my post under "My life's Komplete now". That's ok- nothing important. Thanks a lot.

My Word...this thread lol!!!
 
I am MS certified so may be able to help.....
 
Firstly one User mentioned that your BIOS is on the 1st memory stick, this isnt true, its on the CMOS battery or a built in ROM chip, your memory that you are referring to is RAM and NOT ROM.
 
I think what the User was referring to is that when your PC boots up the first thing the BIOS does is check the information stored in a tiny (64 bytes) amount of RAM located on the CMOS chip, this is why Asus asked you to reset your CMOS (probably by simply locating and removing it then re-inserting it)

 
I had to get that one out the way.....
 
Back to your initial problem....
 
Now XP can be a nightmare with USB devices sending Windows into an eternal loop.
 
Your FIRST point of call should be to go into Device Manager and from within there click on "Show hidden devices" (or something like that in the VIEW options - forgive me, its been some years since I used XP)..Once you have done that you will find that XP has cached numerous amounts of USB devices over time, go through them and delete the repeats and the ones you dont use. Reboot.
 
Then Plug in your NI controller and install.
 
Once you have done that get back to me and maybe I can help.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
 

I just noticed in the OP, the sig states Win XP SP3....
 
Can Vladasyn please change the sig to update the OS accordingly.....?
 
Anyway, my advice still applies about device manager and USB devices.

gswitz
Btw, anyone know if Noel is M$ certified?
Wink

 
lol, it doesnt actually count for much these days 
 
In a previous life, 10 years working in IT MS support does however.....

Beepster
Yanno... I find this thread to be confusing and I'm not quite sure all what is being discussed here but it seems (and forgive me if this is an impossibility) that having the MIDI device connected at boot is what's really causing this chaos. Can Maschine not be turned on or connected AFTER you boot up? I never turn on any of my MIDI devices until the system is fully booted and I make sure I turn them on BEFORE loading Sonar. I've gone through a few different boot up/power on/open DAW procedures and this is the one that never fails.
 
You do seem to have a lot of issues with your system(s) Vlad. I'm kind of wondering if perhaps you've poked around at things so much you are experiencing a cascade effect of issues. Might be advisable to just wipe everything and start fresh. It should not be this complicated... especially on your brand new system.
 
Good luck.

 
Word. Its a minefield.
 
Installing incorrect memory, SSD drives, USB NI Maschine, unsure of what OS the OP is about....
 
But if we weave our way through the madness......I stand by my post....
 
Go into Device manager, check "show hidden devices", delete rogue USB device duplicates. Reboot Windows and reinstall the NI controller.