CW has said its a good idea to do and that is more important to me than your findings.

If things have changed so be it but as it stands now CW had not so far retracted that advice.

John


CW has said its a good idea to do and that is more important to me than your findings.

If things have changed so be it but as it stands now CW had not so far retracted that advice.

Cakewalk have never advised me to turn off core parking.  In fact I don't recall ever seeing such advice on a Sandybridge machine (or later).

And my 100% swell working DAW is more important than your advice.

So unless you got some evidence, including where Cakewalk say specifically turn off core parking, I'd say your advice is not current and maybe even misleading yet again.

btw John what specs are you currently running?

It's hard to make out from your sig.  'Best' doesn't help much.

saaricom


Well - I give up - it's gonna have to be a new sound card. :(

I have a Mackie Onyx Blackjack (from work) and I tried it. It performed flawlessly (duh)! So now I have to figure out what the purchase is going to be... Thanks for the help everyone!

RIP Delta 1010, you were a great product for many song recordings and marigold engine (my band) CD's... 

i figured as much,glad you traced the problem to the obvious.
im very happy youll be making music soon man !!
 
congrats on the new set up.
 
peace

Freddie H


If you decide of buy a new AUDIO interface I would suggest you look into following technologies.
1. PCI express Interface. Very fast and very high band wide. Extremely good for low latency.
2.  Firewire 800 / 400 interfaces. Very good for low latency.
3. USB 3 interface. (not USB2) Extremely good for low latency and build for the future.
 

 

Actually, USB 3 audio interfaces do not exist. From my understanding, USB 3 is not 'ready' for audio. USB 2 is more than capable of handling extremely low latency audio (see my earlier posts about 48 samples latency with Octa-Capture).


SP

Actually, USB 3 audio interfaces do not exist. From my understanding, USB 3 is not 'ready' for audio. USB 2 is more than capable of handling extremely low latency audio (see my earlier posts about 48 samples latency with Octa-Capture).

 
True.
Even if a USB-3 audio interface was available, you wouldn't want it until USB-3 is integrated into motherboard chipsets.
 
You can run the RME Babyface (USB-2 audio interface) at a 48-sample ASIO buffer size (4.9ms total round-trip latency at 44.1k).  With a fast well-configured DAW, you can run substantial loads glitch-free...

John

Jonbouy


btw John what specs are you currently running?

It's hard to make out from your sig.  'Best' doesn't help much.

I don't have my specs in my signature because I don't ask questions that require them.

What I use is simply my business and not yours. Sorry if that sounds harsh but it really is none of your concern.

Actually I didn't ask questions that required input from you either but you had to confirm your foolishness yet again regardless.

I just responded to that remember?

I'd already confirmed to the OP the likelihood of the cause of his trouble was a PCI card on a modern board, and stated that I was running glitch free on such a board at 64 samples with a USB 2.0 interface all day long, and yes with core parking turned on, after extensive testing revealed there was no benefit in turning it off.  Actually turning it off causes some minor glitching in this case which isn't apparent at it's default of being on.

You interjected (again remember?) with some tripe that isn't relevant in a real worlld scenario such as the DAW I currently work with all day.  You've confirmed it as tripe by not providing any evidence to back up your spurious claim once again.

Sorry if it sounds harsh but just zip it unless you know in future.

Actually there's motherboards out with USB 3 now. http://www.anandtech.com/...-asus-gigabyte-and-msi

 
Yes, but Z77 chipset motherboards (Integrated USB-3) aren't very wide-spread... 
It'll be a while till integrated USB-3 is common place.
 
Small potential market isn't attactive to audio interface manufacturers.
Thus, I think it'll be a while before we see USB-3 audio interfaces.
 

Alegria

"Jonbouy"

So unless you got some evidence, including where Cakewalk say specifically turn off core parking, I'd say your advice is not current and maybe even misleading yet again.

Is it better to leave your computer ON at all times or turn it OFF when not in use. Quite the debatable subject if you ask me. And on the same line of thought, is it better to make use of power saving features or disable them to make sure all your "horses" are warmed up and ready to go so to speak. See where I'm going with this. But I'm sure that we do agree on the fact that "core parking" is first and foremost a power saving feature with laptops (on short battery life) in mind.

That said, here are some comments by Noel on the subject:

"Noel Borthwick"

Power-Saving Processing

Windows 7 has a new feature called Core Parking. Core Parking is a power saving optimization that shifts processing load to one or more cores and puts other less busy cores to “sleep”. The objective is to let other cores idle if workload levels allow for it. This optimization had us scratching our heads when we ran a benchmark test on a Quad Core I7 machine. At any point in time we would notice that some cores were idle in task manager. The reason for this turned out to be Core Parking. Core parking can be useful to save battery life while running projects on laptops.

REF :: How Windows 7 Will Effect Your Music Production?

In a dedicated DAW context, it is advisable to turn off all power saving features (sleep modes etc.) on all devices, especially hard/usb drives. Can the same logic be applied to core parking? Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me. But I'm also quick to mention that this is of course IMHO. 

Yes I've seen that  written by Noel when W7 was due to come on the market or early in it's lifecycle.  Like you say it is advisable to turn off sleep modes on certainly those things you mention, I also understand that turning off core parking brought a real benefit to first generation i3 - i7 chips.

Therefore I thoroughly tested the benefits and drawbacks on my system and have concluded that there is no benefit from turning off core parking, and whilst certainly not causing any major issues it did introduce some minor glitching which isn't apparent when parking is left on.

I've yet to see conclusive evidence whether it is worth the bother of turning it off on a modern board, in my testing it certainly hasn't been it runs sweeter (and cooler) as is.  Again mileage may vary but I certainly wouldn't be advising to turn it off as being 'a good idea on a DAW' as John did, I'd suggest checking it out for yourself or getting a box that has already been optimised for DAW work with the particular components it was built with.

They don't have time to park 20 seconds after I've got going anyway...

soens


So... dumb question: How does one even go about parking his cores? I have absolutely no clue on this!
 
Steve

You only have 2 they are both likely on most of the time anyway...

As they say if it ain't broke....

edit: I just noticed your playground machine also.... oops.  See post #17 for more...

i would hate for the OP to have to shell out any more cash for a new AI after a new build. i agree the 1010 and 24/96 are long in the tooth, but they still work like champs and are still supported. i hope it is something minor the OP has just overlooked.

Jonbouy

So you can imagine a interface of 110db “Dynamic Range (1kHz, A-weighted) VS a professional interface of 120 “Dynamic Range (1kHz, A-weighted) how many times the sound quality has improved over the 110db interface.

Freddie strikes again.

More comedy genius from Mr H...

btw I dumped my E-Mu card and got a Quad capture out of preference.

despite the E-Mu sales patter that Freddy has gobbled up that goes...

World class professional ADDA converts Cirrus logic. Same converters you find in Pro Tools HD System Digidesign's flagship ProTools HD 192 I/O Interface.

Love you Freddy, you're so much fun to have around.

I don't see the comedy? The only harlequin here is you that comparing Roland "Quad capture" with any of these highly professional audio interface and converters. Roland "Quad capture"  “Signal-To Noise Ratio (A-weighted)” of -95 dBu typ. Is way to low quality it's not executable in my or any other professional work environment.
 
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1166
 
 
Emu 1616M converters sound exactly the same as  ProTools HD 192 I/O Interface. How do I know that? Because in other studio I use ProTools HD 192 I/O Interface and both sound exactly the same.

 

Jim Roseberry

Actually there's motherboards out with USB 3 now. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5793/intel-z77-motherboard-review-with-ivy-bridge-asrock-asus-gigabyte-and-msi

 
Yes, but Z77 chipset motherboards (Integrated USB-3) aren't very wide-spread... 
It'll be a while till integrated USB-3 is common place.
 
Small potential market isn't attactive to audio interface manufacturers.
Thus, I think it'll be a while before we see USB-3 audio interfaces.
 

Perhaps... but if you shop for a new computer I7 or I7 socket 2011 any ASUS motherboard comes with USB3 and USB2 ports.
Many new external harddrives are in USB3 format today so its just a matter of time before USB3 going to be used widely for audiointerfaces too. USB3 are faster then firewire and all "plug and play" so USB3 audiocards will benefit huge regarding latency and integration.

 

Jonbouy

John


On a desktop core parking is irrelevant. It shouldn't be needed. If heat is a problem you have other issues. Get an air conditioner.

A well designed system should not produced a lot of heat. But if it does try liquid cooling and vent the heat outside.

Great idea on a well designed system that is already working 100%, how?

Heat isn't a problem if it was liquid cooling still wouldn't be necessary.

You are only persisting to attempt to cause trouble (it is called flaming and is a TOS violation), if you don't have anything constructive to add, like the evidence already requested, I'd prefer if you'd zip it personally.

Liquid cooling is not a problem here..unless you like water boarding

Perhaps... but if you shop for a new computer I7 or I7 socket 2011 any ASUS motherboard comes with USB3 and USB2 ports. Many new external harddrives are in USB3 format today so its just a matter of time before USB3 going to be used widely for audiointerfaces too. USB3 are faster then firewire and all "plug and play" so USB3 audiocards will benefit huge regarding latency and integration.

 
Hi Freddie,
 
FWIW, I build a fair number of DAWs.  
I'm certainly aware that USB-3 comes on any recent make quality motherboard. 
BUT (and this is my point), USB-3 is not integrated into the chipset of most motherboards (Z77 being the exception).  It's provided via a 3rd-party add-on controller.
This opens the door to compatibility issues (similar to what you see with different Firewire chipsets - if not using TI).
ie:  Take a RME USB audio interface.  Set the ASIO buffer size to 48-samples.
Compare performance (running heavy load) when connected via integrated USB-2 vs. connected to a 3rd-party USB-3 port.  You can run heavier loads (glitch-free) when connected to the integrated USB-2 controller.
 
There's no doubt USB-3 has better specs/bandwidth.
But until integrated USB-3 is common place, don't look for manufacturers to be turning out USB-3 audio interfaces.  The Z77 motherboard market is new (relatively small)... and we're a small percentage of that group.  Using 3rd-party USB-3 controllers would be a tech-support nightmare...