Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 10:23:28
(permalink)
Set the ASIO buffer size to 48-samples. Compare performance (running heavy load) when connected via integrated USB-2 vs. connected to a 3rd-party USB-3 port. You can run heavier loads (glitch-free) when connected to the integrated USB-2 controller. +1 Tested and confirmed also, with the Quad. In fact after testing I now have my USB3.0 capability turned off until I find something worthwhile to plug into it. For further clarity too Freddie the -95dBu level you quoted for that unit is residual noise. IOW you don't hear any...  When comparing stated figures it is always best to quote like for like...
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
keith
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3882
- Joined: 2003/12/10 09:49:35
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 11:06:59
(permalink)
Jim Roseberry Well - I give up - it's gonna have to be a new sound card. :( The culprit is the PCI bridge chip... (as Seth mentioned) Best long-term solution is to bite-the-bullet and get a new audio interface. This makes zero engineering sense. We have a brand new ASUS board with 2( !) PCI slots taking up valuable real estate and Lord knows what else. The OP is trying to reliably stream a total of 352,800 bytes through his 1010 card (44100 * 4 bytes * 2 channels). That's 344Kbytes/sec, or ~ 0.37 Mbytes/sec (out of a theoretical max of 133 Mbytes/sec). Are we saying that this brand ASUS motherboard can't support a continuous load of 0.37 Mbytes/sec of data from one of the 2( !) PCI slots?!? I simply don't believe that. If it's true, then nobody should buy ASUS, because they obviously don't know what they're doing. Like the 2( !) useless PCI slots were who's idea, exactly? If there are specific technical reasons (from ASUS, Intel, whoever), then I'd be interested in knowing what those are -- because from my perspectiove the 2( !) useless PCI slots represents an Epic Engineering Fail. It'd be like buying a new car with a 500W surround system, but the radio itself only does AM… so you need to go out and buy a satellite radio setup. :^/ Which is great if you wanted to upgrade to a satellite setup anyway, not so great if you expected the freaking FM receiver to work.
|
Jim Roseberry
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 9871
- Joined: 2004/03/23 11:34:51
- Location: Ohio
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 11:34:43
(permalink)
This makes zero engineering sense. We have a brand new ASUS board with 2(!) PCI slots taking up valuable real estate and Lord knows what else. The OP is trying to reliably stream a total of 352,800 bytes through his 1010 card (44100 * 4 bytes * 2 channels). That's 344Kbytes/sec, or ~ 0.37 Mbytes/sec (out of a theoretical max of 133 Mbytes/sec). Are we saying that this brand ASUS motherboard can't support a continuous load of 0.37 Mbytes/sec of data from one of the 2(!) PCI slots?!? I simply don't believe that. If it's true, then nobody should buy ASUS, because they obviously don't know what they're doing. Like the 2(!) useless PCI slots were who's idea, exactly? If there are specific technical reasons (from ASUS, Intel, whoever), then I'd be interested in knowing what those are -- because from my perspectiove the 2(!) useless PCI slots represents an Epic Engineering Fail. It'd be like buying a new car with a 500W surround system, but the radio itself only does AM… so you need to go out and buy a satellite radio setup. :^/ Which is great if you wanted to upgrade to a satellite setup anyway, not so great if you expected the freaking FM receiver to work. Hi Keith, This situation isn't limited to Asus. It's across the board... This scenario is analogous to Firewire - the associated issues when using "rogue" (crap) chipset controllers vs a quality TI chipset unit. The *bandwidth* is the same... but compatibility issue/s impede performance with rogue units. Same situation with 3rd-party USB-3 controllers... Note that some combinations work just fine. We have numerous clients using RME, M-Audio, and Echo PCI units with SandyBridge based DAWs. In principal, yes... all should work as expected. But that's not the case... and (again) it's not limited to Asus. BTW, I'm not defending PCI bridge chips.  The situation is what it is...
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 11:56:39
(permalink)
In principal, yes... all should work as expected. But that's not the case... and (again) it's not limited to Asus. BTW, I'm not defending PCI bridge chips. The situation is what it is... Bang on again. For some strange reason PCI works well on my particular ASUS board (well at least, for the couple of PCI devices I had). Sadly though getting updated drivers for PCI stuff is becoming increasingly more difficult. Just another reason why PCI has become legacy as far as I'm concerned. E-Mu certainly didn't produce a fully working driver for their PCI cards since 2008.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/14 12:03:14
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Freddie H
Max Output Level: -39 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3617
- Joined: 2007/09/21 06:07:40
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:02:42
(permalink)
Jonbouy In principal, yes... all should work as expected. But that's not the case... and (again) it's not limited to Asus. BTW, I'm not defending PCI bridge chips. The situation is what it is...
Bang on again. For some strange reason PCI works well on my particular board. Sadly though getting updated drivers for PCI stuff is becoming increasingly more difficult. Just another reason why PCI has become legacy as far as I'm concerned. Just another reason why PCI has become legacy as far as I'm concerned.....and it has been replaced with PCI express interface that do work across the board. PCI express have much better bandwide then both firewire, USB2 or PCI. So to get the best of all worlds. Use a RME PCI-express ADAT I/O-card to connect to a external converters like SSL Alpha.
-Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds. -It really matters!
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:05:26
(permalink)
and it has been replaced with PCI express interface that do work across the board. PCI express have much better bandwide then both firewire, USB2 or PCI. Yes I'm aware of both that and the benefits of PCIe, which is why I originally indicated to the OP that PCI has been found wanting just now. Did you have a point here?
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
markno999
Max Output Level: -62 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1450
- Joined: 2007/08/27 18:09:30
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:05:59
(permalink)
Sorry my suggestion started an argument......I am not sure what Cakewalk is currently/officially recommending regarding Core Parking, however, I responded with the suggestion as I had the exact same symptoms as the OP, whereby my system was playing for short periods of 2-20 seconds and then stopping. I was also getting pops and crackles but the main problem was that the transport was stopping. This issues started after updating my machine. I have a RME FF 800, a separate Fireware Card (TI Chipset) and a ASUS ASUS M5A99X EVO AMD 990X AM3+ Motherboard - AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition Six Core Processor - 3.20GHz, running Windows 7 64 bit (though I run the 32 bit version of Sonar) After trying several other "fixes" including driver updates and system optimization, I ran across the Core Parking thread, made the changes to the Registry and the problem was resolved. I had this problem on both Sonar X1 and Sonar 8.5.3. As it is a 30 second fix I thought it might be worthwhile to give it a try. I don't really see any downside turning off Core Parking on a Desktop machine, it is really designed for power conservation and more relevent for laptops... Regards
|
Freddie H
Max Output Level: -39 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3617
- Joined: 2007/09/21 06:07:40
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:08:22
(permalink)
markno999 Sorry my suggestion started an argument......I am not sure what Cakewalk is currently/officially recommending regarding Core Parking, however, I responded with the suggestion as I had the exact same symptoms as the OP, whereby my system was playing for short periods of 2-20 seconds and then stopping. I was also getting pops and crackles but the main problem was that the transport was stopping. This issues started after updating my machine. I have a RME FF 800, a separate Fireware Card (TI Chipset) and a ASUS ASUS M5A99X EVO AMD 990X AM3+ Motherboard - AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition Six Core Processor - 3.20GHz, running Windows 7 64 bit (though I run the 32 bit version of Sonar) After trying several other "fixes" including driver updates and system optimization, I ran across the Core Parking thread, made the changes to the Registry and the problem was resolved. As it is a 30 second fix I thought it might be worthwhile to give it a try. I don't really see any downside turning off Core Parking on a Desktop machine, it is really designed for power conservation and more relevent for laptops... Regards There's no brainer! To answer this simple question and I don't care what everyone else say; CORE PARKING shall be turned OFF, period! This is how to do it! http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1861804
-Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds. -It really matters!
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:13:29
(permalink)
markno999 Sorry my suggestion started an argument......I am not sure what Cakewalk is currently/officially recommending regarding Core Parking, however, I responded with the suggestion as I had the exact same symptoms as the OP, whereby my system was playing for short periods of 2-20 seconds and then stopping. I was also getting pops and crackles but the main problem was that the transport was stopping. This issues started after updating my machine. I have a RME FF 800, a separate Fireware Card (TI Chipset) and a ASUS ASUS M5A99X EVO AMD 990X AM3+ Motherboard - AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition Six Core Processor - 3.20GHz, running Windows 7 64 bit (though I run the 32 bit version of Sonar) After trying several other "fixes" including driver updates and system optimization, I ran across the Core Parking thread, made the changes to the Registry and the problem was resolved. I had this problem on both Sonar X1 and Sonar 8.5.3. As it is a 30 second fix I thought it might be worthwhile to give it a try. I don't really see any downside turning off Core Parking on a Desktop machine, it is really designed for power conservation and more relevent for laptops... Regards Like I said, it is probably worthwhile on some machines and not others. For example on my Sandybridge machine CPU core/thread utilization 'appears' to be more evenly distributed with it left on, whatever the reason I get a few clicks and pops with it turned off which go away when I leave it on. In those circumstances what would you do? My suggestion was is that it is worth testing on your particular machine (worth doing if you've just dropped $$$ on the hardware) to get the best out of it. John has some personal vendetta toward me which is already well-documented so I apologise if it looked like I'd dragged your comment into what looked like an argument. btw have you notice John's comment on the thread you linked to, it just shows we have to work out what particular John we are dealing with on different days... http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1902837 I have asked for some evidence where this idea of turning off core parking on 2nd gen boards is a 'no brainer' and as yet nobody has provided any, but I'm willing to see if there is a situation where the benefits are conclusive. Till then I'm good to go on 48 samples buffer without glitching or 64 samples for heavier loads (which is where I generally leave it).
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/14 13:11:58
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
StarTekh
Max Output Level: -55 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2007
- Joined: 2004/03/09 12:02:20
- Location: Montreal
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:28:54
(permalink)
Nice Board/Processor: there are many things todo on a new system like your running. turbo boost in bios is the 1st thing that pops up.. turn it off..... I will BBL and we can go over your system Totaly !! Gardening time !!
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:31:16
(permalink)
Turbo boost in bios is the 1st thing that pops up.. turn it off..... Gotta love the internet 'experts'...
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
StarTekh
Max Output Level: -55 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2007
- Joined: 2004/03/09 12:02:20
- Location: Montreal
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:37:49
(permalink)
JonBouy ...Nice comment but as always... No Solution ! Do you do this at the Pro Tools fourm too !!
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 12:41:52
(permalink)
StarTekh JonBouy ...Nice comment but as always... No Solution ! Do you do this at the Pro Tools fourm too !! Evidence. The best I got is a comment direct from Scott stating to keep TurboBoost ON on a Sandybridge (2nd gen) board. TBH though I didn't take his word for it I tested. Again the mere fact of the figures on my working (test) machine bears it out in practice. I base all my findings on actuals rather than tons of conflicting articles I may have read. Again, supply the evidence. btw I don't use Pro Tools or have occasion to visit their forum. I'm not trying to argue here, I just want to see where this stuff can make my machine run better than it does already. Hang on though 48 samples is as low as I can go. 100% reliability is also as good as I can get it. Bummer. No improvements for me then... All these things are simple to test for yourself. Recommended! That's the solution I provided and you seem to have missed that in providing yet another unsubstantiated 'claim'.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/14 13:14:47
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
trimph1
Max Output Level: -12 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6348
- Joined: 2010/09/07 19:20:06
- Location: London ON
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 15:21:22
(permalink)
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
|
Alegria
Max Output Level: -54.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2075
- Joined: 2008/11/07 12:57:49
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 16:07:35
(permalink)
"Jonbouy" The best I got is a comment direct from Scott stating to keep TurboBoost ON on a Sandybridge (2nd gen) board. TBH though I didn't take his word for it I tested. Speed Step/Turbo Boost is overclocking. Smart overclocking? Maybe. But again these technologies are aimed at laptop users, where the benefits are the greatest (heat management requirements etc.). I'm starting to think that it may be a good idea to make a distinction between desktop and laptop machines when talking about tweaks.
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 16:54:34
(permalink)
Alegria "Jonbouy" The best I got is a comment direct from Scott stating to keep TurboBoost ON on a Sandybridge (2nd gen) board. TBH though I didn't take his word for it I tested. Speed Step/Turbo Boost is overclocking. Smart overclocking? Maybe. But again these technologies are aimed at laptop users, where the benefits are the greatest (heat management requirements etc.). I'm starting to think that it may be a good idea to make a distinction between desktop and laptop machines when talking about tweaks. Even more importantly, testing an individual setup to maximise your performance and stability unless you are buying from a DAW builder in the first place who will already have done so when integrating a system. A commercial builder alongside myself put this box together in an attempt to build a sub £500 music computer that he could retail at that price a year ago. I didn't even have to assemble it he specified the parts and advised and I tested on that basis. What can I say it works like a charm.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/14 17:08:24
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
californiamusic
Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
- Total Posts : 223
- Joined: 2005/08/07 10:06:46
- Location: Chicago, IL
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 17:06:52
(permalink)
I just dumped my Delta 1010 when I Got my new System a few months ago. I picked up a Motu 2408 MK3 (PCI-e) and it's been perfect.. no issues and is cost effective. ; )
Intel i7-4770 - 3.9GHZ DDR3 - 32GB RAM Sonar PlatinumPresonus Studio 192 Motu 2408 MK3 Waves v9 Spectrasonics Omnisphere, Stylus RMX, Trilion Novation V-Station, Gladiator, ReFX Nexus, Lounge Lizard, Alchemy www.soundcloud.com/glenntolliver
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 17:20:40
(permalink)
californiamusic I just dumped my Delta 1010 when I Got my new System a few months ago. I picked up a Motu 2408 MK3 (PCI-e) and it's been perfect.. no issues and is cost effective. ; ) There ya go that's what this thread really needed. A no nonsense solution to the specified problem...
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
Silicon Audio
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 346
- Joined: 2012/03/06 04:33:19
- Location: Northland, New Zealand
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 17:55:46
(permalink)
Do you have the Asus AI Suite installed? This will cause audio glitches and drop-outs guaranteed. Before launching Sonar, look for the Asus AI Suite notification icon in your system tray, right click it and exit out of it. Then try launching Sonar and see how you go. Despite all the comments about PCI sound cards - you should only have a problem if you have another PCI device saturating the bus.
"One of the great and beautiful things about music and recordings in general is that legacies live on" - Billy Arnell - April 15 2012
|
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Administrator
- Total Posts : 814
- Joined: 2009/02/06 15:25:40
- Location: Boston, MA
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 18:03:24
(permalink)
Silicon Audio Do you have the Asus AI Suite installed? This will cause audio glitches and drop-outs guaranteed. Before launching Sonar, look for the Asus AI Suite notification icon in your system tray, right click it and exit out of it. Then try launching Sonar and see how you go. Despite all the comments about PCI sound cards - you should only have a problem if you have another PCI device saturating the bus. Confirmed. The AI Suite was giving me huge latency spikes on a 'monster' machine I built up last summer. It was not only impacting video fps but audio cards as well. I'm still using a Roland RPC-1 PCI card on that machine and it's definately time to upgrade. I get weird behavior once and a while.
|
Kev999
Max Output Level: -36 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3922
- Joined: 2007/05/01 14:22:54
- Location: Victoria, Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 18:14:22
(permalink)
saaricom I cannot get the song to play without consistent (every 15 seconds but never at the same timeframe) dropouts on playback. This PC was literally built last night with only Windows 7 and Sonar. This may or may not be relevant, but got similar performance after installing Windows 7 for the first time on an existing dual-boot system. It turned out that disk mode in the BIOS had been set to IDE instead of AHCI and this is unsuitable for Windows 7. It's worth checking.
SonarPlatinum∞(22.11.0.111)|Mixbus32C(4.3.19)|DigitalPerformer(9.5.1)|Reaper(5.77)FractalDesign:DefineR5|i7-6850k@4.1GHz|16GB@2666MHz-DDR4|MSI:GamingProCarbonX99a|Matrox:M9148(x2)|UAD2solo(6.5.2)|W7Ult-x64-SP1 Audient:iD22+ASP800|KRK:VXT6|+various-outboard-gear|+guitars&basses, etc. Having fun at work lately
|
soundtweaker
Max Output Level: -70 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1036
- Joined: 2003/11/12 12:25:59
- Location: San Francisco
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 18:34:12
(permalink)
Jim Roseberry Actually there's motherboards out with USB 3 now. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5793/intel-z77-motherboard-review-with-ivy-bridge-asrock-asus-gigabyte-and-msi
Yes, but Z77 chipset motherboards (Integrated USB-3) aren't very wide-spread... It'll be a while till integrated USB-3 is common place. Small potential market isn't attactive to audio interface manufacturers. Thus, I think it'll be a while before we see USB-3 audio interfaces. True. The other cool thing about USB3 is that it provides up to 100 watts of power to devices. That should be enough to power larger multichannel soundcards without the need for an AC adapter.
|
Jonbouy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 22562
- Joined: 2008/04/14 13:47:39
- Location: England's Sunshine South Coast
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 18:54:46
(permalink)
Kev999 saaricom I cannot get the song to play without consistent (every 15 seconds but never at the same timeframe) dropouts on playback. This PC was literally built last night with only Windows 7 and Sonar. This may or may not be relevant, but got similar performance after installing Windows 7 for the first time on an existing dual-boot system. It turned out that disk mode in the BIOS had been set to IDE instead of AHCI and this is unsuitable for Windows 7. It's worth checking. It's not unsuitable for Windows 7 per se SATA drives will run just fine set at IDE mode at a good sustained transfer rate but if you want hot swapping etc you'll need AHCI turned on. Preferably before the OS goes on. Again if you want to test it out and you are stuck with an error message at boot time after you try to change to AHCI mode in the bios see here first. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/05/14 19:12:45
"We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles. In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
|
keith
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3882
- Joined: 2003/12/10 09:49:35
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 19:09:54
(permalink)
Jim Roseberry This scenario is analogous to Firewire - the associated issues when using "rogue" (crap) chipset controllers vs a quality TI chipset unit. The *bandwidth* is the same... but compatibility issue/s impede performance with rogue units. Same situation with 3rd-party USB-3 controllers... Note that some combinations work just fine. We have numerous clients using RME, M-Audio, and Echo PCI units with SandyBridge based DAWs. In principal, yes... all should work as expected. But that's not the case... and (again) it's not limited to Asus. BTW, I'm not defending PCI bridge chips. The situation is what it is... That's a good analogy, I guess… but geez PCI was the PC architecture standard for how long? You figure those legacy PCI cards are PCI 2.0/2.1 (or whatever it is) compliant, and whatever bridge chips used today should be PCI 2.0/2.1 compliant… E.g., that same N-year old 1010 card could be placed into any one of dozens upon dozens of PCI-based mobos with no incompatibility issues, but now we have supposed bridge chips that are not really PCI 2.0/2.1 compliant?! I say just leave the damn chips off, if that's the case. I mean, what's the point? Or maybe I'm taking for granted what it took to implement PCI compatibility on those old boards and cards, and the bridge chips just can't provide that level of complexity. Maybe the underlying modern mobo architecture doesn't allow for total PCI compliance within reasonable cost. I'm sure it gets complicated on those boards... I mean look at all those heat sinks! :) Anyhoo… thanks for your and other's input on this stuff… it's interesting from a "why you really need to upgrade your hardware every 3-5 years" perspective. :)
|
keith
Max Output Level: -36.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 3882
- Joined: 2003/12/10 09:49:35
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/14 19:16:29
(permalink)
soundtweaker The other cool thing about USB3 is that it provides up to 100 watts of power to devices. That should be enough to power larger multichannel soundcards without the need for an AC adapter. Or powering 3 or so sata devices w/out the need for wall warts and power bricks and extra power cables out of the PC… :) Seriously, I was just looking the other day for a single ~100W dual channel supply that I could use to power 2-3 external drives in my own enclosure. They don't exist. And if they do they're hard to find for the average consumer. Like you have ATX power supplies, then… ???. So I could use the USB3 cable to power my enclosure, and do the actual data transmission over eSATA… Hmmm… :)
|
bobguitkillerleft
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 944
- Joined: 2011/05/17 17:28:58
- Location: Adelaide Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/15 10:52:07
(permalink)
Well I'm overwhelmed,by X1 on my pc[in a good way],but turning OFF core parking got me totally even cpu use compared to the first core being more than all the others. Overclocking[soo easy with a Gigabyte board] with a decent airy case,and a better cpu cooler,made a mega difference to speed,and power of my desktop[still need an SSD for the slowish boot though]. I seem to remember,the really early 1155 motherboards [H61?] are the ones that had success with PCI cards,any of the later Z68 are no go. I'm saving projects as "templates" lately,and I'm constantly amazed,but alas I'm a bit of a slow learner[ age 46 till first computer]. Finally got to demo"Waves Tapes Tubes Transistors".....hmm its alright,bit expensive I reckon. Cheerioss Bob
https://soundcloud.com/rks26https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitmen Lenovo W540 Factoryrefurb SONAR PLATINUM,Ozone 7 N.I. KA6 Komplete 9 SSD4 Platinum Epi L/H LP Custom Headstock broken twice and fixed.Gibson L/H Les Paul 2010 Wine Red Studio stupid Right Hand Vol.Tone for Left Hand?LH84Ibanez RS135 gen.FloydRose JB Marshall 100w 2203 4x25w Celestion Green backs "You are what you is"-Frank Zappa "But I'm gonna wave my freak flag high"-Jimi Hendrix
|
soens
Max Output Level: -23.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 5154
- Joined: 2005/09/16 03:19:55
- Location: Location: Location
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/15 20:07:13
(permalink)
Hmmm.... This thread is obviously a subliminal messaging plot for the cerial industry! You haven't noticed??? Snaps, crackles, pops, Kellogg (Seth), and now " cheerioss"?! Hijackers! Where's the forum police when ya need 'em? ... eating breakfast!
|
bobguitkillerleft
Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
- Total Posts : 944
- Joined: 2011/05/17 17:28:58
- Location: Adelaide Australia
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/15 21:05:37
(permalink)
Totally accident,I had no idea my word twist was a cereal[I don't think we have it here?,and I don't eat cereal] Oh yeah,I'm still overwhelmed[in a good way] by X1! What do people expect for 1/2 the price of PT! I think its possibly one of the best deals going[sure Reapers cheap,but its for designing your own program IMO] Cherryoot Bob
https://soundcloud.com/rks26https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitmen Lenovo W540 Factoryrefurb SONAR PLATINUM,Ozone 7 N.I. KA6 Komplete 9 SSD4 Platinum Epi L/H LP Custom Headstock broken twice and fixed.Gibson L/H Les Paul 2010 Wine Red Studio stupid Right Hand Vol.Tone for Left Hand?LH84Ibanez RS135 gen.FloydRose JB Marshall 100w 2203 4x25w Celestion Green backs "You are what you is"-Frank Zappa "But I'm gonna wave my freak flag high"-Jimi Hendrix
|
MusicforMovies
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 12
- Joined: 2012/05/07 19:03:04
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/15 22:50:56
(permalink)
I just upgraded from my old Delta 1010 to the M-Audio 2626 with a similar rig (SSD, 12 GB, Win 7 Pro S2, Sonar X1 Expanded) and it works fine. My inputs had gone bad on my Delta 1010 so hence the upgraded - outputs had gone as well, but I fixed those myself with new caps - wasn't sure on the inputs so I just upgraded. Been a blast. Wish you the best. Joel
|
cyphersuit
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 339
- Joined: 2009/09/15 15:58:06
- Location: Germany
- Status: offline
Re:Underwhelmed with Sonar X1 on New PC
2012/05/16 04:04:34
(permalink)
Honestly, all SOnar needs now is to become STABLE. Have been using Studio One for 30 days now. Not a single crash or audio engine dropout. Still keeping X1 just in case. But it keeped either crashing or having the audio engine drop out in every session (and my computer is a brand new beast). edit: whoa, wrong thread.
|