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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/28 11:39:27 (permalink)
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AndertonWhat I'd like to see for EDM are more MIDI plug-ins. I think there are a whole lot of unexplored options that would save a lot of time and open up creative possibilities. I wonder how hard it is to write them.
 

Depends on what you mean by plugins...



I mean MIDI plug-ins...MIDI FX if you prefer. They provide really useful MIDI functionality.
 
As to sample packs, loops, and other content, they are not done by the developers and do not cut into dev time. Content was always intended as "icing on the cake" for the monthly releases.
 

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/28 21:32:48 (permalink)
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Sort of confused since initially all the hub bub basically said the last version "owned" was the last update so long as it spanned or exceeded 12 months... Now it says if someone pays 16 months, they only get to month 12?

It seems that it is said only in support's reply to me, so it could be mistake. But it is weird that it is not clarified.




It's not urgent for me since I'm paid up through March, but since I most likely won't be paying for a full 12 months up front after that, it would be nice to have a definitive answer. I'm sure we'll get one sometime before January.
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/28 22:52:11 (permalink)
AndertonI mean MIDI plug-ins...MIDI FX if you prefer. They provide really useful MIDI functionality.
 
As to sample packs, loops, and other content, they are not done by the developers and do not cut into dev time. Content was always intended as "icing on the cake" for the monthly releases.

That's good to know then. I know you had some packs in there as well but wasn't sure about some of the other stuff.
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/28 22:55:52 (permalink)
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SO much heartache.....over 14.95/mo 



Very well put.  However, there is another way to think of it from a broader, "holistic" view point.  If one has already owned Sonar then it is $150 per year to purchase the monthly improvements.  With many DAWs there has been a major new release every 2-3 years so the present Sonar cost is equivalent to paying $300 to $450 for one of these.  It is, of course, up to each user to decide whether they feel Sonar is providing the equivalent to 100%, 50% or 33% of a new release each year to gauge the value of Sonar.  My estimate is that I will be getting the equivalent of a major upgrade every 2-3 years at the present rate so I can either keep going with Sonar or spend $300-$450 on something else.  This is, of course, based on the way I use Sonar and the fact that they are ahead in some areas and playing catch-up in others.
 
Using the above logic, I will be assessing the state of play amongst DAWs at the time of renewal and weigh Sonar against products like Studio One (~$300) and Cubase (~$450), especially in the area of Midi editing.
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/28 23:10:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rwheeler 2015/10/30 03:09:47
 
sharke
 You should be able to assign a controller to an automation envelope in one step and draw the envelope with the controller during playback. Simple as that, yet we're screwing around with ACT and all of its horrible bugs and quirks. 

 
Well here's egg on my face. It has been brought to my attention that you CAN do exactly this, and I was just too much of a dumbass to work it out. You just right click on the fader in the automation lane of whatever synth or effect parameter you want to control, and the Remote Control option is right there. It's a simple matter of selecting Controller in the Remote Controller dialog and clicking Learn to map the controller. From there you can just write enable the lane, start playback and twiddle away a controller performance to your heart's content. Can't believe I was goofing around with the monstrosity that is ACT to do this kind of thing with effect parameters before. Sorry Cake!

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/28 23:15:09 (permalink)
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SO much heartache.....over 14.95/mo 



Very well put.  However, there is another way to think of it from a broader, "holistic" view point.  If one has already owned Sonar then it is $150 per year to purchase the monthly improvements.  With many DAWs there has been a major new release every 2-3 years so the present Sonar cost is equivalent to paying $300 to $450 for one of these.  It is, of course, up to each user to decide whether they feel Sonar is providing the equivalent to 100%, 50% or 33% of a new release each year to gauge the value of Sonar.  My estimate is that I will be getting the equivalent of a major upgrade every 2-3 years at the present rate so I can either keep going with Sonar or spend $300-$450 on something else.  This is, of course, based on the way I use Sonar and the fact that they are ahead in some areas and playing catch-up in others.
 
Using the above logic, I will be assessing the state of play amongst DAWs at the time of renewal and weigh Sonar against products like Studio One (~$300) and Cubase (~$450), especially in the area of Midi editing.
 
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I would be willing to bet that all software companies will go to this model. It creates a steadier (not necessarily higher) stream of income to keep personnel in place for the long haul...

 
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/29 00:16:00 (permalink)
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I would be willing to bet that all software companies will go to this model. It creates a steadier (not necessarily higher) stream of income to keep personnel in place for the long haul...




I agree with your assessment regarding steady income to promote continuity and I believe I suggested this approach to CW about 4 years ago.  This was based on my experience with my FEA software which did a similar thing.  I would make two observations though:
 
1) The FEA software I have been using is only updated once or twice a year.  Once a month would be annoying in that case.  I have advocated CW moving to quarterly updates in the past.
 
2) CW's decision to go with three levels may cause them a bit of trouble in the long run and I would suggest that next year they consider combining Professional and Platinum into one product and charging $100 for it (or $125 if they really need to).  This is based on the following:  If someone paid for Platinum for the first year and then decide to go with Professional in the second year there will be an expectation that they will retain everything from Platinum from the first year.  But what will probably happen is that when they load the first update of Professional all of the extra built-in items that they paid for in the first year will disappear!
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/29 01:42:40 (permalink)
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As to sample packs, loops, and other content, they are not done by the developers and do not cut into dev time. Content was always intended as "icing on the cake" for the monthly releases.
 



That's cool but Cakewalk does seem to think that sample packs and loops is all they have to do to satisfy EDM producers when in fact we couldn't care less. We want real features and workflow enhancements.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/29 03:07:52 (permalink)
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sharke
 You should be able to assign a controller to an automation envelope in one step and draw the envelope with the controller during playback. Simple as that, yet we're screwing around with ACT and all of its horrible bugs and quirks. 

 
Well here's egg on my face. It has been brought to my attention that you CAN do exactly this, and I was just too much of a dumbass to work it out. You just right click on the fader in the automation lane of whatever synth or effect parameter you want to control, and the Remote Control option is right there. It's a simple matter of selecting Controller in the Remote Controller dialog and clicking Learn to map the controller. From there you can just write enable the lane, start playback and twiddle away a controller performance to your heart's content. Can't believe I was goofing around with the monstrosity that is ACT to do this kind of thing with effect parameters before. Sorry Cake!




It's not so simple for plugs w/ a non-trivial number of parms.
 

 
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/29 08:24:10 (permalink)
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2) CW's decision to go with three levels may cause them a bit of trouble in the long run and I would suggest that next year they consider combining Professional and Platinum into one product and charging $100 for it (or $125 if they really need to).  This is based on the following:  If someone paid for Platinum for the first year and then decide to go with Professional in the second year there will be an expectation that they will retain everything from Platinum from the first year.  But what will probably happen is that when they load the first update of Professional all of the extra built-in items that they paid for in the first year will disappear!


I can't sees DR running on pro after a downgrade looking at previous experience.

Can pro and platinum be installed beside each other, because if it can that resolves that issue regardless of customer expectations.

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/29 22:43:12 (permalink)
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sharke
 
sharke
 You should be able to assign a controller to an automation envelope in one step and draw the envelope with the controller during playback. Simple as that, yet we're screwing around with ACT and all of its horrible bugs and quirks. 

 
Well here's egg on my face. It has been brought to my attention that you CAN do exactly this, and I was just too much of a dumbass to work it out. You just right click on the fader in the automation lane of whatever synth or effect parameter you want to control, and the Remote Control option is right there. It's a simple matter of selecting Controller in the Remote Controller dialog and clicking Learn to map the controller. From there you can just write enable the lane, start playback and twiddle away a controller performance to your heart's content. Can't believe I was goofing around with the monstrosity that is ACT to do this kind of thing with effect parameters before. Sorry Cake!




It's not so simple for plugs w/ a non-trivial number of parms.
 

 
 




True, but how do other DAW's handle the mapping of controllers to synths or effects with hundreds of parameters? The main problem I have with automation in Sonar is that the edit filter label on each automation lane is way too short and does not show nearly enough characters of the parameter name. It means that if you're automating  a large number of parameters on a synth, and loads of those parameters start with the same few characters, you can't distinguish one automation lane from another. Even if all the names are different the size of the edit filter label still show enough characters to be a meaningful parameter name. Little things like this need fixing pronto - I can't imagine it would be that hard for them to make such a small but invaluable change. 
 
One other thing which makes dealing with huge menus of parameters (or huge menus of anything) in Sonar is that they haven't yet seen fit to give us modern scroll wheel enabled menus. You either have to click the stupid little arrows or use the cursor keys. This annoys me every friggin' day!
post edited by sharke - 2015/10/29 22:56:53

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 02:09:46 (permalink)
Well rolling updates are back: A lite version of Rapture Pro and more Style Dials. I can hardly wait.
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start
post edited by Notecrusher - 2015/10/30 02:20:39
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 02:56:42 (permalink)
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Well rolling updates are back: A lite version of Rapture Pro and more Style Dials. I can hardly wait.
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start




 
Rapture Session is an easy to use synth powered by the amazing sounds of Rapture Pro. It comes with hundreds of our favorite hand-picked sounds and curated in a simple design. Quickly search and preview different sounds from realistic pianos to soaring synths.
 
Well lets just hope that these 'Hand Picked" sounds actually produce sounds, because there were, and by all accounts still are factory Rapture Pro content which fails to be audible. I say 'by all accounts' because it is from what I have read, I gave up on Rapture Pro long ago, after it's pitiful release state, and after several months and 2 subsequent updates, is still sub par.
 
Hey, here's an idea, how about actually fixing Rapture Pro before taking off on this 'little' adventure ? or is the idea to scale Rapture Pro down so it's issues are less apparent, and maybe require less to fix ?
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 03:47:03 (permalink)
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how do other DAW's handle the mapping of controllers to synths or effects with hundreds of parameters? 




One thing that's been been requested here in the Feedback Loop is a text search for the parameter list.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 03:47:03 (permalink)
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 06:13:57 (permalink)
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sharke
how do other DAW's handle the mapping of controllers to synths or effects with hundreds of parameters? 




One thing that's been been requested here in the Feedback Loop is a text search for the parameter list.


filter would be better

just a sec

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 06:56:25 (permalink)
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Well rolling updates are back: A lite version of Rapture Pro and more Style Dials. I can hardly wait.
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start




 
Rapture Session is an easy to use synth powered by the amazing sounds of Rapture Pro. It comes with hundreds of our favorite hand-picked sounds and curated in a simple design. Quickly search and preview different sounds from realistic pianos to soaring synths.
 
Well lets just hope that these 'Hand Picked" sounds actually produce sounds, because there were, and by all accounts still are factory Rapture Pro content which fails to be audible. I say 'by all accounts' because it is from what I have read, I gave up on Rapture Pro long ago, after it's pitiful release state, and after several months and 2 subsequent updates, is still sub par.
 
Hey, here's an idea, how about actually fixing Rapture Pro before taking off on this 'little' adventure ? or is the idea to scale Rapture Pro down so it's issues are less apparent, and maybe require less to fix ?


Richard Cranium
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Well rolling updates are back: A lite version of Rapture Pro and more Style Dials. I can hardly wait.
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start




 
Rapture Session is an easy to use synth powered by the amazing sounds of Rapture Pro. It comes with hundreds of our favorite hand-picked sounds and curated in a simple design. Quickly search and preview different sounds from realistic pianos to soaring synths.
 
Well lets just hope that these 'Hand Picked" sounds actually produce sounds, because there were, and by all accounts still are factory Rapture Pro content which fails to be audible. I say 'by all accounts' because it is from what I have read, I gave up on Rapture Pro long ago, after it's pitiful release state, and after several months and 2 subsequent updates, is still sub par.
 
Hey, here's an idea, how about actually fixing Rapture Pro before taking off on this 'little' adventure ? or is the idea to scale Rapture Pro down so it's issues are less apparent, and maybe require less to fix ?


I agree that the initial release of Rapture Pro was a bit of a sorry mess.


But since the updates it works perfectly and I've never come across any inaudible patches, so maybe you should revisit it
 

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 07:15:05 (permalink)
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Well rolling updates are back: A lite version of Rapture Pro and more Style Dials. I can hardly wait.
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start

yeah, although i expect there'll be bugfixes as well, marketing should really be keeping/pinning something new functionality-wise visible in the rolling updates/next up page

just a sec

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 09:24:56 (permalink)
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I agree that the initial release of Rapture Pro was a bit of a sorry mess.
But since the updates it works perfectly and I've never come across any inaudible patches, so maybe you should revisit it

RPro works seamlessly here. I may encounter once in a while a program that doesn't sound right, but it's usually due to some FX are maxed out, so it's very easy to fix.
I really hope that a forthcoming Rapture Session will include properly mapped macros for the CSS and other legacy libraries.
I also hope to see the upcoming updates in MC7. Wanna start using it for my music class.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 10:59:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/10/30 22:01:22
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True, but how do other DAW's handle the mapping of controllers to synths or effects with hundreds of parameters?
...
One other thing which makes dealing with huge menus of parameters (or huge menus of anything) in Sonar is that they haven't yet seen fit to give us modern scroll wheel enabled menus. You either have to click the stupid little arrows or use the cursor keys. This annoys me every friggin' day!

I do not know what other DAWs do, the way I do this:
1. Touch the parameter in the Plug-in GUI (since I am going to change it, I have no problem to modify it a bit at that step).
2. Press a Button (on surface) to "Learn" that parameter
3. From that moment, I can use my Encoder/Fader/Knob (on surface) to change that parameter (write automation if required, it will be auto-created)
 
I prefer that over:
1. Add automation lane
2. Select required parameter from the long list, even in case it has filters and scrolls
3. Open remote control assignment, learn the control, confirm.
Especially in case I just want temporarily control the parameter.

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/10/30 20:06:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/10/30 21:35:13
Bristol_Jonesey
 
I agree that the initial release of Rapture Pro was a bit of a sorry mess.


But since the updates it works perfectly and I've never come across any inaudible patches, so maybe you should revisit it
 




No, I have paid my last visit, it was after the 2 updates, and still there were inaudible patches, it's well know by others around the net as well. Maybe I was just unlucky to pick those patches ? never the less, they were/are still there. I am done with it, never be caught in a pre order with Cakewalk again. I think they were wise to make it pre order, because if they didn't they wouldn't have got many sales/victims after the initial reports of it's release condition got out.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/14 21:28:43 (permalink)
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I would personally love if they did a complete overhaul of MIDI editing that destroys the competition. Everyone mentions how Cubase is the current lead in that area.
 
I'd also like to see an update to video support for audio editing in film.
 
Going to laugh when January comes and they surprise everyone with Mac support and finally become the industry standard DAW. ;)


I'm not sure about Cubase, but Sonar definitely needs to add features to MIDI record, and plugins. The same 7 plugins that came with Studio 8 way back are ALL U get and look at what has been done to the included  wave plugins. MIDI is much easier to edit than wav files. I use a dual track record system with MIDI record from 11 controllers and  a wav track recorded from the MIDI track so can hear and use VST processors. Works great and recorded track and always stays in the digital realm.
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/14 21:32:14 (permalink)
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Hello,
 So as the year is coming to a close, and my year-long subscription will ending in January, I'm wondering if Cakewalk has released any information on any planned features either coming up or in the plans for next year? I know in rolling updates it used to have a list of "up next" features, but they don't seem to be there anymore. I want to see what I would be potentially paying for before I commit to the monthly subscription fees for next year.




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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/14 21:36:19 (permalink)
What happens if U do not renew your subscription at expiry and decide 6 or 12 months later to upgrade.
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/16 11:42:42 (permalink)
Here is the FAQ http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/SONAR-FAQ#start
 
Assuming nothing changes in 3 to 4 years, a) there will be a fee of some kind, the current published fee is $199 and b) you will receive the current version of SONAR at that time and upgrades for the following year. If in the period you were not a member some exclusive content was released (there have been a couple so far), you would not receive those.
 
This was posted on this thread Quick question on renewal...
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/16 12:31:53 (permalink)
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Well rolling updates are back: A lite version of Rapture Pro and more Style Dials. I can hardly wait.
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start

yeah, although i expect there'll be bugfixes as well



Yes, my understanding is that the emphasis in the next update is heavy on fixes and optimizations. Makes sense, given the big feature addition of patch points and Aux Tracks only a few weeks ago.

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/16 13:08:24 (permalink)
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Yes, my understanding is that the emphasis in the next update is heavy on fixes and optimizations. Makes sense, given the big feature addition of patch points and Aux Tracks only a few weeks ago.


I don't see much choice. Hope it's like this for a good few months. Sonar has long been out of balance between new features and fixes/long standing workflow issues. Whilst I've seen many legacy issues plugged with platinum (not enough IMHO as the balance was way off from the start) I'm perceiving just as many new issues to replace the fixes.

Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/16 14:17:27 (permalink)
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Time for a feature freeze to last more than just a month IMHO.

 
All you need to do is convince the people posting requests for new features to agree with you, and it will happen.

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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/16 14:34:12 (permalink)
It must be difficult to maintain such a negative attitude.......

 
 
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features 2015/11/16 14:47:20 (permalink)
I expect they will come out with something big around New Years because so many will have to re-up at that time. I have not really looked at many of the new features because I don't work at it full time, but I'd be happy to get nothing but fixes until 2016. Clip handling, Lanes and drum maps (your welcome), all need some love in my part of the world. I'm playing catch up. One of those weird cases where I have an embarrassment of riches.

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