nickbarna
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Upcoming features/next year's planned features
Hello,
So as the year is coming to a close, and my year-long subscription will ending in January, I'm wondering if Cakewalk has released any information on any planned features either coming up or in the plans for next year? I know in rolling updates it used to have a list of "up next" features, but they don't seem to be there anymore. I want to see what I would be potentially paying for before I commit to the monthly subscription fees for next year.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 19:53:36
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nickbarna
I want to see what I would be potentially paying for before I commit to the monthly subscription fees for next year.
Well, that's the mystery, isn't it? What they said when they started the subscription model was something like "We intend to demonstrate throughout the year with great updates every month that it will be worth it to re-subscribe when your first year is up." I was skeptical, but I have to say there have been so many cool updates that the program is barely recognizable after 10 months -- and I mean that in a good way. Based on what has happened this year, I intend to re-up when the time comes, but I wouldn't expect to find out in advance what I might be paying for. As I recall, they promised "a huge surprise" during the initial rollout, and I still don't know exactly which surprise they were talking about.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 20:50:02
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Believe me, I think it's completely been worth it, and that's actually what I'm hesitant about. I can't see what else they could be adding on top of everything they've added this year. I do feel though that when this first started they did give a little information about what we could expect throughout the year?
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:08:29
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2015/10/25 22:00:02
Disclaimer: This is not an official Cakewalk response.
The Bakers are always thinking about how they can improve the program. Some of what they plan is simple, some is difficult, but it's not always easy to predict in advance how what they plan will turn out. Sometimes what seems complex is easy, and sometimes, what seems easy is complex. Also, what seems like a cool thing to do can develop into more than originally anticipated -- e.g., the Drum Replacer -- and therefore take more time to implement than expected.
Furthermore, there are a lot of "eureka" moments - one thing I can say for certain is that at least some of the advances over the past year were not planned when the membership program was started. Some was based entirely on user feedback that developed well into the progress of SONAR 2015. Some of it was being worked on way before the new version came out.
I can think of one element that I think would be extremely cool, yet no other DAW includes this. I have already talked to a couple people at Cakewalk to see what they thought, and at least one person thought it was pretty amazing. Now, that's just me coming up with one idea. Multiply that by the number of Bakers and the suggestions from the community, and I don't think they're going to run out of ideas any time soon.
Trying to be as objective as humanly possible, I think this is the bottom line: If you liked what happened in 2015, you'll be equally happy with what happens in 2016.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:17:54
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Anderton
Sometimes what seems complex is easy, and sometimes, what seems easy is complex.
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of Sonar and other DAW's, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones. I hope this makes sense..
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:22:24
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Larry Jones:if memory serves the big surprise was the drum replacer
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:28:40
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☄ Helpfulby RD9 2015/10/26 00:12:56
The big surprise for me was there was no drum maps UI replacement ;) (OK that's twice in one month, toning it down..)
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:31:57
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I think my reasoning is not that I won't like what they'll be coming up with, it's that when I started in January, I didn't own Sonar. Now that I outright own it (in January 2016), I want to make sure the monthly cost is worth paying for just new features, since that money is no longer going towards purchasing it.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:32:25
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This will matter less and less over time, I think. With this being the first year of the membership model, inevitably, a lot of us are going to hit the 12 month renewal date around the same time. But that will become a more and more fuzzy boundary every year, and a couple of years from now, it won't be a thing at all. The user base just won't be so in sync in that way. My own suspicion of why there's nothing listed as "up next" - for the first time since the membership programme started - is that they're smart enough to make sure they do a showy announcement of something special for this fairly decisive renewal dates that are coming in the next couple of months. But I think it will become less and less decisive as we go along. Myself, I went the other way, and while I'm as tied to the 12 month commitment as anyone else, due to the fine print that says you only get to keep everything if you hang in for the full period, I switched immediately to monthly payments as soon as Sonar Xinfinity came out. I kind of like how it feels that way. For the price of three good quality but reasonably priced beers, I get awesome new stuff every month. A couple of years from now, people's sign up dates will become scattered enough that it just won't matter, and there'll be no sense of an annual pinch point at all. It'll be like I've described it in another thread: your studio has a tech team who fix stuff and add new stuff while you're not looking. And that will just be ongoing.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:36:05
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nickbarna
I think my reasoning is not that I won't like what they'll be coming up with, it's that when I started in January, I didn't own Sonar. Now that I outright own it (in January 2016), I want to make sure the monthly cost is worth paying for just new features, since that money is no longer going towards purchasing it.
From that perspective the next 12 months after Jan you are beginning again . So in Jan 2017 you will have new 'paid for' version of Sonar..
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:36:41
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Yea, that's what I'm meaning kind of. This first year I've justified my subscription fee as just buying Sonar in monthly installments. I don't know if I want to continue paying a fairly high monthly fee (which works out to over $300) just for monthly updates.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:37:33
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It's not the same though because before January, I didn't have Sonar.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:41:32
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nickbarna
It's not the same though because before January, I didn't have Sonar.
Well Right. But any monthly updates after that you won't own them for another 12 months IFAIK.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:49:37
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Perhaps something(s) nice for the first year anniversary. Then in soon time will be End January-Begin February, but at least the March update should be significant.
In my opinion, don't do anything too BIG which can cause more issues than its worth with the monthlies.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:50:34
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☄ Helpfulby notscruffy2 2015/10/26 10:47:47
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The big surprise for me was there was no drum maps UI replacement ;)
(OK that's twice in one month, toning it down..)
Actually they have a complete new drum maps UI debugged and ready to go, but there's an internal bet going on within Cakewalk about how many more times you'll bring it up. The faction that believes you're going to mention it another 300 times within 12 calendar months is stalling on the release in the hopes that you'll keep mentioning it at every opportunity, so they'll win the bet. The other faction believes you're going to give up, and therefore will stop mentioning it and any additional mentions will fall short of 300. So they're also stalling in the hopes you give up, and they can win the bet. Of course, the bad news for you is that in either case, it's in their best interests to stall. The prize is a mondo sushi dinner with all the sake the winners can drink, along with a free iLoud from IK Multimedia and a year's worth of hamster chow for the Grays who did the programming. So this is not something they take lightly.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:54:02
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nickbarna
I don't know if I want to continue paying a fairly high monthly fee (which works out to over $300) just for monthly updates.
I thought it was $14.99 a month for a Platinum update, which works out to a little less than $180 for the year. Or you can just pay $149 up front.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 21:56:31
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As an anecdotal addition to the thread, my Bible software Logos(been with them since DOS!), has just "switched" to a thing called Logos Now, which gives access to many resources for either $8.99/mo or $89.99/yr. 1 month free for the monthly and 2 months free for the annual.
It is the future.......And it helps keep steady jobs.
back to your regular programming. pun intended
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 22:03:23
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nickbarna
I don't know if I want to continue paying a fairly high monthly fee (which works out to over $300) just for monthly updates.
I thought it was $14.99 a month for a Platinum update, which works out to a little less than $180 for the year. Or you can just pay $149 up front.
I think there are a number of things about the membership programme pricing that have been under-explained. The actual way it works is more than fair. Once you've bought in, you're on update pricing. So the first year for a new user may well cost quite a bit, but once you're into renewals, it is indeed $15 a month. Also, it's not the case that you have to commit in 12 month blocks. You have to commit to an initial 12 month block, and then after that, it rolls over month by month. This information is available, but I think somewhat unclear. Certainly, the forums suggest it's not that widely understood. I think Cakewalk would do themselves a favour if they found a less complicated way to both structure and present it.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/25 22:05:38
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Looking further ahead, I think it obvious and predictable that the idea of year one buy-in being more expensive will go the way of the dodo within the next couple of years. There's no good reason to have a barrier to entry like that.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 00:02:27
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The big surprise for me was there was no drum maps UI replacement ;)
(OK that's twice in one month, toning it down..)
Actually they have a complete new drum maps UI debugged and ready to go, but there's an internal bet going on within Cakewalk about how many more times you'll bring it up.
I think it is patently unfair that the rest of us are punished for the Dr's persistence. Maybe CW could release the new Drum Map UI now to everyone but him. Then he could fume while he reads our posts about how great it is  On the other hand maybe we should keep the present Drum map UI; It makes me a bit nostalgic for the good old days when I used to write machine code on an Ohio Scientific 6502 I built from a kit. Those were the days!! Seriously, though, I suspect some of us will weigh the option of resubscribing to the Sonar program against using the money to buy a copy of another program or VST (e.g. in my case I'm considering Studio One ). The decision will probably be based upon the information the OP has requested above as well as past experience. The CW staff seem to be getting better at accurately predicting the arrival date of the new features and it is likely that they have a Gantt chart with the upcoming improvements (other than the Eureka moments which haven't happened yet). It would be great to have a peek. Cheers.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 01:28:07
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John T
Also, it's not the case that you have to commit in 12 month blocks. You have to commit to an initial 12 month block, and then after that, it rolls over month by month.
No. I have talked to support and they have said that after your 12 months, new 12 months period begins and you have to pay for 12 months again to have this new updates staying with you. So if they have not changed their mind, you can't pay for the yeah and then prolongate it for a few months. If you stop paying you will have only first year updates. I've said them that they will have much trouble describing this to the customers in January 2016, because there is no information about this anywhere.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 01:37:22
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Hi Anton- Adq
John T
Also, it's not the case that you have to commit in 12 month blocks. You have to commit to an initial 12 month block, and then after that, it rolls over month by month.
No. I have talked to support and they have said that after your 12 months, new 12 months period begins and you have to pay for 12 months again to have this new updates staying with you. So if they have not changed their mind, you can't pay for the yeah and then prolongate it for a few months. If you stop paying you will have only first year updates. I've said them that they will have much trouble describing this to the customers in January 2016, because there is no information about this anywhere.
I thought that was the way it was going to work, but it seems to contradict what Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] said back in January: You wil continue to keep everything you own after the 12th month. So say you continue to renew for 6 more months and then decide for whatever reason that you don't want to be a member, you'd keep everything you received up until month 18. However, once you opt out, you'd have to do another 12 month membership or pay upfront. From < http://forum.cakewalk.com/Introducing-the-new-SONAR-New-lineup-new-features-plus-membership-m3144654-p3.aspx#3144792> Now I'm confused (again !) Thanks- -Susan
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 01:50:02
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Hm, it is very strange really. The biggest problem is that such things should be written by large font somewhere on the product page, and not be described on the forums, or by support, where it is easy to make mistake. Here support answer i've got: 1. I pay for 1 year, and then for 4 months. This is normal. In this case, the latest version you owned during the first year will be permanently unlocked. If you only pay for 4 months after that, all the versions in those four months will be reverted to demo mode should you cancel your membership at that point. 2. I pay for 16 months. This is the same situation as above. I take this to mean that you paid monthly for 16 months in a row. In this case, the latest version you owned during the first 12 months of payments will be permanently unlocked after the 12th payment is made, but any versions after that will revert to demo mode unless you pay for another full 12 months. 3. I pay for 4 months and then for 1 year. This will permanently unlock the latest version you pay for. Since the material from the first 4 months will also be included with the material that is part of the following year, you get everything from all the updates permanently unlocked because the 1 year payment starts your membership over. So assuming you pay 4 months, then pay for a full year up front, then cancel your monthly membership, this will permanently unlock the latest version you own during your entire membership. I hope that clears everything up for you! Let me know if you still need more info.Best regards, Joey Adams Product Support Cakewalk, Inc. http://www.cakewalk.com | http://www.cakewalk.com/support
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 04:39:37
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Hi Anton-
I agree that the policy needs to be spelled out very clearly and they all need to get on the same page to avoid any more/future confusion. I'm guessing that Andrew's post predates Joey's reply to you, but there certainly seems to be a contradiction there.
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2015/10/26 04:56:11
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Susan G
I agree that the policy needs to be spelled out very clearly and they all need to get on the same page to avoid any more/future confusion. I'm guessing that Andrew's post predates Joey's reply to you, but there certainly seems to be a contradiction there.
Yes, this reply was in June. But it is unlikely that something was changed. It seems that somebody in Cakewalk was confused by their own conspiracy :) I hope this will be resolved soon, thank you for revealing it.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 05:15:31
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I think your use of the word 'conspiracy' carries very negative undertones.
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2015/10/26 05:21:54
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I think your use of the word 'conspiracy' carries very negative undertones.
I'm very sorry, could not find suitable word...
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 05:55:05
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If you paid for 12 months up front, you received a discounted price and your subscription ends after 12 months. You must then renew for another 12 months.
If you chose monthly payments you paid a little more for the subscription but the subscription does not end unless you cancel or default on payment. You must continue the subscription for 12 consecutive months in order to keep Sonar. After the initial 12 months monthly payment goes up to $19.95 a month. But you can cancel anytime after the initial 12 months and keep everything up until you decide to cancel.
If you are on a monthly subscription it continues until you cancel.
That was how it was initially explained.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 06:01:23
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Doktor Avalanche
The big surprise for me was there was no drum maps UI replacement ;)
(OK that's twice in one month, toning it down..)
Anderton
Actually they have a complete new drum maps UI debugged and ready to go, but there's an internal bet going on within Cakewalk about how many more times you'll bring it up.
RD9
I think it is patently unfair that the rest of us are punished for the Dr's persistence. Maybe CW could release the new Drum Map UI now to everyone but him. Then he could fume while he reads our posts about how great it is
On the other hand maybe we should keep the present Drum map UI; It makes me a bit nostalgic for the good old days when I used to write machine code on an Ohio Scientific 6502 I built from a kit. Those were the days!!
I am considering all my drum maps moans to be subscription based. After 12 months I move in with my drumkit.
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Re: Upcoming features/next year's planned features
2015/10/26 06:10:27
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At the start of the membership program, we had two alternative ways to pay for ongoing updates. One option was to pay a monthly amount. The other option was to pay for 12 months in a lump sum up front. That was attractive because the pay all at once price was a bit less than the sum of 12 monthly payments. I'm assuming the upcoming renewal will likely also have a price differential, with full year paid ahead being less total cost then the monthly payment alternative. I don't think I've seen an official announcement for the 2016 choices and prices (which don't automatically have to be the same as 2015), but I haven't felt a need to search for details. I will be interested to know if my guess is right.
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