timboe
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V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
Confession - I do not own and am not going to buy a V Studio 700 or VS700C. But as a long time loyal CW user and fan, the [ lack of ] development of the VS700 flagship product is very disconcerting. The Win 7 Drivers are now ~ 8 months old - nothing beyond 1.0. No new functionality for the Control Surface since 1.0. The Fantom Firmware 1.1 update latest is from March 2009 - 16 months ago - and everybody knows how badly it still is in term of integrations and useability. The V Studio 1.1.1 Firmware and update is also from March 2009 - also 16 months ago. On top of all that, just look at the V Studio 700 Forum - hardly any regular posts [ relative to the Sonar Forum ] - you would expect at least one or two new posts a week from people buying this unit - but no - there would be lucky to be 10 - 15 owners who post here, if that. I refuse to beleive that there are all these people out there spending ~$4000 on this rig and then not registering or posting on this forum - its just not that sort of product and its buyers and users are just not that type of consumer. I realize CW never will [ and nor should they ] formally admit or announce that the V Studio has not really set the world on fire, but the lack of development / updates / fine-tuning of such a large and complex flagship product -along with- a very non-vibrant, minuscule-registered-user forum would be worrying the @#ap out of me if I were at CW. Surely I cant be the only person thinking this ? What do others think ? Tim
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/06/30 07:50:55
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I don't know why you're so concerned about the drivers not being "brand new". They work so why issue new ones? There have been some hints at new firmware and software updates for the VS 700 system. In reality a lot of people don't post in the forum. You have to remember the economy crashed right around the time this system came out. I'm sure sales have suffered. It is a high quality solid unit, while many have questioned it's build and attributes and stated they would want more inputs-functions etc. It is a good solution to building a small studio, or as use for a mixing-editing-mastering station in a larger studio. I love mine and I'm glad I bought it. People will make up their own minds I guess.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/06/30 08:23:50
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I have to honest I am one of those v-studio owners who don’t spend a lot of time on the forum. Most of the time I either figure things out or call the help line. I have had my unit for over a year and just finished my first project. This is my third CD release. My last CD “City Lights” had two songs that received National radio play and charted on the R&R smooth jazz Charts. This is my first project that was recorded on the VS-700. One of the songs on the new CD “Moving Forward” will be released for National radio play in two weeks. Bottom Line! I love the VS-700. No complaints at all. Don’t regret the purchase at all. I agree with Craig if the driver’s works don’t mess with them. I even bought a VS-100 to use while traveling and as a writing tool with my laptop, love it also. I previously owned a Roland 2480 and it took Roland several years before they released any major software or firmware enhancements. I believe we will see some additional functionality for the VS-700 in the future, but if not, that won’t really change my thoughts about the unit. At the end of the day I am recording and producing the best sounding CD’s I ever have, and will put them up against any other home studio projects. Let’s not forget it is a tool that should not slow down your creative process, and inspire you to do more.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/06/30 16:29:30
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The V Studio system was quite a few years in development before released and as a result it ended up being full of lots of great features and it all worked well with Sonar. A lot of things were sorted out and that is the reason it works so well. As you do not own it timboe it is hard to appreciate it. If you used it for 6 months you would change your mind. It is one of those well thought out and well developed products before release. Even if it did not change at all from now it still represents great value and use. The control surface is one of the most highly integrated pieces of hardware into a software program there is around. Crg is also correct. The drivers work so leave em be. The interface is also very high quality. Mic Pres are very very very nice to record through and all the A to D and D to A is also excellent and sounds great. Fantom is great and integrates fine and sounds terrific. With a few simple steps Fantom parts can be frozen, converted into audio and receive full production on each of its 16 multi timbral parts. It is never a bad thing to have a full blown Roland synthesiser just lying around waiting to be used. And it sounds great inconjunction with all the virtual synths inside Sonar. It takes you back into an analog world of faders, knobs and buttons, transport etc. It seems to make the operation of music production less technical and more intuitive and this results in making better music, faster with the technology slipping back out of the way more. Can you put a price on that? Just riding faders on tracks and busses in mixdown is a nice thing to do. Maybe the reason why V studio people are not posting much is because they spend all their time operating it instead! It becomes addicitive after a while. You guys are lucky, it is cheap in the US and worth every cent.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/06/30 17:28:50
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I've had my V-Studio for a few months now, and I must say that the best thing about it so far is the overall stability. It is pretty much rock solid and I can't really think of any improvements that need to be made in the driver or control surface portions. I would have to say that the V-Studio may be one of the few products that pretty much delivered on its initial promises right out of the gate. My only complaints have to do with the limited software that is included to access the Fantom synth. Even then the software isn't actually buggy or unreliable, it's just missing basic functionality that make it frustrating to use for any significant amount of time. I may even be a minority in that regard since I don't seem to hear from many people that find it as frustrating as I do. I agree with Jeff's assessment that the lack of posts in this forum probably speaks more to the platform's stability and reliability than to people buying it and not using it. I definitely don't regret my purchase and I also believe Cakewalk's Marketing VP's statement a few months back where he mentions that they have big plans ahead for the V-Studio 700 platform: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1968871 -eB
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/06/30 18:30:32
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I don't know what to tell you Timboe. The VS 700 has many layers of ability. I'm certainly no studio engineer and I doubt if I've cracked even half of the abilities of the VS 700. I bought it because it was time to expand my little home studio and the VS 700 was the best choice. I went from a 8 channel DAW to a 16 channel DAW with more options and a great Hardware Synth which allowed me to do things I couldn't before. This is a system a beginner can begin using to get tracks down and learn a whole lot more about the whole process of making a finished work.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/03 12:00:46
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Mully
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/04 02:04:57
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Not sure what else you would want them to release.... this product just works and I'm sure the future releases will be refinements and improvements. The only people not looking for what isn't there are the ones who have the system I guess. I've just gotten the 700R (already had the 700C) and am in the throes of getting it all up and running and so far it looks to be good. Only the 700R reboot for sample rate change that seems odd in this day and age. Cheers.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/11 23:50:59
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Well I own the V700C and the drivers need work. If I have the unit on when I boot, the driver won't load and I'll have to un-install it and re-install the drivers again to get them to work. If I forget to turn the unit on before I load Sonar, I can't use it in Sonar without going into the Control Surfaces dialog and setting it back up again. It's a PITA.
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Mully
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/12 04:59:05
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Yeah I feel that... I found it easier to replug the USB at the PC and all comes good (for the 700R). Must add though that this is after rebooting unit etc trying to resolve the sample rate side of things. I've got that sussed now so will be keen to see if I still have any lack of USB connection issues. Did think it was odd to have the controller operate (without LCD data) and no USB connection light... using W7 64bit. More specific to your comments as they regard the 700C, I didn't ever have any need to reinstall the drivers to get it to work. I'd try replugging the USB for this too so the poota sees the connection again... it should come up fine. Cheers.
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/12 07:05:38
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madfloyd Well I own the V700C and the drivers need work. If I have the unit on when I boot, the driver won't load and I'll have to un-install it and re-install the drivers again to get them to work. If I forget to turn the unit on before I load Sonar, I can't use it in Sonar without going into the Control Surfaces dialog and setting it back up again. It's a PITA. That's strange. I turn on the V700R, the V700C, the Motu 2408 Mk3 before booting the computer. Boot the computer, get the desk top screen, turn on the PCR 800 and other midi devices, open Sonar and everything is in place in Control Surfaces, inputs and outputs and works fine. Perhaps you're having a driver recognition problem due to how you're initializing the system. I've found in my case using Win 7 that the interface and controller (V700R&V700C) need to be in place and active for the OS to recognize them as the default devices for sound card and controller.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/12 15:06:56
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Crg I don't know why you're so concerned about the drivers not being "brand new". They work so why issue new ones? There have been some hints at new firmware and software updates for the VS 700 system. In reality a lot of people don't post in the forum. You have to remember the economy crashed right around the time this system came out. I'm sure sales have suffered. It is a high quality solid unit, while many have questioned it's build and attributes and stated they would want more inputs-functions etc. It is a good solution to building a small studio, or as use for a mixing-editing-mastering station in a larger studio. I love mine and I'm glad I bought it. People will make up their own minds I guess. I agree, I love mine and I'm glad I bought it! My only issues were Windows 7 32/64 bit. I built a 64bit PC but then I read that 32bit was more stable and worked just as well. I installed 32bit and it worked fine. Initially I couldn't get the Fantom synth to work, until I did a weird thing. I ran Sonar 8.0, and the synth worked. Then I ran Sonar 8.5 and the synth still worked. Then the trouble started. I wanted to run Premiere Pro CS5 for my video production. It is available only in 64bit, so I installed everything to a 64bit system. Sonar 8.5 didn't like it, I had latency problems and the Fantom synth wouldn't work at all. I spent HOURS messing with it. Finally I re-ghosted my configured 32bit image back again and installed a dual-boot 64bit system for Premiere on another HDD. That works fine and everybody is happy!
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/12 18:04:16
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Yeah, well the Fantom is a 32 bit synth. You seem to have a great grasp on the problem --> (32 bit-64 bit ). I've restrained myself from going to a 64 bit DAW. First, my projects aren't that big anyway, second, if I topped 50% on anything I'm composing-recording- making I'd be suprised. You're clearly experiencing the leading edge driver-software mismatch-conflict that is the bugger of this art. I was wondering if you tried to use compatibility mode (Win 7) or bitbridge or J-bridge to tie the 32 bit-64 bit entities together?
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/12 22:03:46
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Nooooooooo My last rig (some time ago :-) was a Roland VS1680 synchronised to a PC with a Soundblaster card, running Sonar 1.5. Every time I switched it on it took me half an hour to configure it, what with MTC going one way and MMC going the other way. By the time I got it working I would have forgotten what I wanted to do! The VS700 looked so nice because it was all integrated and it's true that I can pretty much turn it on and get down to business. Also I am delighted that I got my Korg M3 workstation to run as a VST plugin. I now have so many sounds to hand I don't know what to do with them all.. And I'm happy with the dual-boot solution... for the moment. Using a separate HDD for each OS means I can backup one OS to the other HDD and vice-versa, using WinPE and Ghost32. Cool smoke ring...
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/13 12:01:20
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I agree, I am very happy, although a little overwhelmed, with this system... My main questions is, I installed the 32 bit version on a windows 7 64 bit machine for the fantom synth.. Would i get better results had I installed the 32 bit Windows 7 OS? Thanks
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/13 19:23:33
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I couldn't tell you the answer to that one as I've never used the VS700 or the Fantom in such a setup. I assume you're using compatibility mode in Win 7?
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/13 19:49:19
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I would have to check, up until 4 days ago I was running Sonar 64 bit on Vista and decided to do a clean upgrade to Win.7 64 bit and install Sonar 32 bit so I could get easier integration of the fantom. So far it works fine except latency is a tad bit worse and Asio doesn't load properly in comparison to the WDM driver. I did forget to instal the VS 1.1 upgrade though, thinking it was included in the Sonar upgrades I reinstalled. The hardware upgrade I did awhile ago when I was using Vista.. It is nice getting the patch list for the fantom though, I must say.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/13 19:51:05
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but it's still better latency then what I had before the VS-700 Regards, Marek Rosinski
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/13 21:07:14
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Never mind about the upgrade, just realized it was only the firmware they were talking about.
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louisodwyer
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/13 21:15:28
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Yeah, well after I had installed Sonar 64bit on a 64bit system, and Fantom didn't work and the latency was terrible, I uninstalled and reinstalled Sonar 32bit on Windows 7 64bit. I still couldn't get Fantom to work, so I gave up and went back to 32bit Sonar 32bit Windows 7. It all works fine and it's stable and I have no latency issues... time to make music!!!
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Mully
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/18 08:10:20
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Interestingly here I've found that still using ASIO drivers my latency has increased from 5.5 to 9.5 (both are roundtrip). This is a comparison going from the MOTU 8PRE to the 700R. Odd... Cheers.
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/18 19:48:23
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Have you tried adjusting the latency in the V700R ASIO panel?
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Mully
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/20 08:09:18
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Craig is there a dedicated panel for the 700R? I only know of the 'normal' one with the slider etc... hope this makes sense. Thanks.
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/07/20 18:43:30
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Mully Craig is there a dedicated panel for the 700R? I only know of the 'normal' one with the slider etc... hope this makes sense. Thanks. That's the one. It's dedicated to only the V700R. I had nearly the same specs in latency when I started the beast up. Sliding the the slider to the left works really well.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/08/06 12:13:41
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Regarding development: I'd like to be able to use scroll and zoom in the piano roll view! And I'd like to see the meters doing their work on instrument tracks.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/08/06 19:22:51
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They sent out a survey on the VS700 so development must be ongoing. There are a lot of different concepts about the V 700 R and C, for example that indicate a wide variety work needs and uses. Some people want a larger number of tracks and touch controls in different places and additional touch controls in an order that makes sense to them. Some want the Fantom Synth gone. Some want the V700C to work like their old unit, whatever it was. Etc, etc and so on. Personally I look at the VS700 system as a hardware-software interfaced system with the ability to be a straight up interface or the interface for one of the best Synths (The Fantom) I've seen yet. Many want the full capabilitys of the Fantom plus the full capabilitys of the interface at the same time. So how do you size that in relation to a number of different needs? Which leads to a confusing problem inherent in all the products out there. Eventually you hit the limit of the machines capabilitys and you have a concept in mind you want to create but you've hit the limit and now you want more to expand into your concept instead of doing a work around to accomadate the limit of the machine. I don't have the answer.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/09/30 20:22:55
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as far as I'm concerned... and i've said this many times before... the problems are not with the daw soft wares or the the v700 or any other well thought out piece of hardware on the market. the problem is and will continue to be the operating systems that they work under. windows or mac o/s was simply not designed to be used in these types of capacities. they were designed to search the internet and play mp3 and video clips... and half the time they have trouble doing that. most of the computers capacity is already taken up just to run the o/s. the only real solution is to build deticated machines. as far as i'm concerned getting rid of a dats were a step backward. what they should have done was expand the technology to include dedicated consoles with integrated software which exclude the need for PCs or macs. that is why the hd cards are the only way to go for true studio capabilities... and even they are at the mercy of the current operating systems. I've said it before... cakewalk needs to create it's own dedicated hardware/software systems... their programming is second to none. disagree with this all you want but until they do they will never be more than the current o/s's idea of what works. think about it... why does the console of the v-700 work so well with the v-700 i/0? cause there is no dam pc in the way of it. and don't even get me started about this stupid latency issue... it wouldn't exist if windows was capable of dealing with it.
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Crg
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2010/09/30 20:39:34
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Smoochy how ya been? I agree. There are short comings between all of the DAW software entitys and the OS is the biggest one. Industrial secrets and the problems they cause. Everybody is fighting for that nickel. Fighting for dominance of the market. You want this? Give us this share! We are now the ruling proprietary DAW software! Until next week when another genius gains dominance through manipulation of code and command.
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2011/09/24 03:17:54
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Well, what we have now are some 'translations' for the VS-700 to work with X1. That's it. Still no improvements, tweaks. And there is enough input on here. Sad. :(
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Re:V Studio 700 .... seriously .... is development of this thing done ?
2011/09/25 00:44:00
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I agree with a couple of posts that basically say "if it aint broke, don't fix it". I'm a VS700 owner and yes I occassionaly have some issues. But not unlike anything else I've ever used- RME, Presonus, Mackie, Tascam, etc. Aside from 'issues' I'm loving what's coming out of the monitors! The AD/DA is superb! The mic pres are very sweet! All of my clients love what they hear! So metaphorically speaking, the proof is in the pudding.
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