VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR!

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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 02:54:59 (permalink)
Great stuff Jeff!

BB, one final thought. When you're adjusting the attack parameter, start off with it really slow, like 30-40 ms, then slowly speed it up until the initial transient starts to blur, then back it off (slow it down) until you get an attack that sounds musically pleasing to your ears (and the needs of the track)

Adjust all of these parameters with your track in solo, otherwise you'll have trouble deciding what's "right"

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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 07:18:23 (permalink)
OK - I suspected that's what you meant by transients, but just wanted to make sure.

Regarding my adjustment of attack settings: there is no turning of anything, either clockwise or anticlockwise, as I'm doing this on CoolEditPro, so the values are entered numerically via my PC keyboard.

I tried again.  I set the threshold to -24dB, so that plenty of the sound will be compressed, then enetered 5ms as the attack value, before increasing the value.

I still can't hear any difference.

At this point I am put in mind of something that I learned when I did my teacher training many years ago:

"Tell me and I may forget; show me and I will remember; involve me and I will understand".

There are a couple of short courses at my local college where I will be able to get to grips with this hands-on, so I think I'll be enrolling ;)
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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 09:40:44 (permalink)
OK Mark you need to totally ditch that useless compressor in Cool Edit Pro. It is absolute rubbish and sounds terrible and is way over complicated. For a start you need to set these attack settings in the detector circuit. Not the upper section. But even so I was not able to make it really do what I am saying.

Please get a decent plugin compressor that you can adjust in real time with proper controls for adjusting the various parameters. The reason you are having problems is because you are persisitng with such a useless plugin. I have never used and would never use the Cool Edit Pro compressor. It is just plain bad.

If you are using Sonar then there is a compressor already provided. Except if you are using Sonar Home Studio the compressor in that is also pretty bad. What software are you using?

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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 11:29:57 (permalink)
OK - as I said earlier, I'm running Sonar 4 Producer Edition.
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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 18:07:59 (permalink)
Please correct me if I am wrong but is the Sonitus compressor available in Sonar 4 PE. I came into Sonar at version 8 so I am unfamilar with previous versions. I think Mike also correctly mentions the Sonitus as well.

It is a very good and useful compressor for a wide variety of applications. And it is far better than the Cool Edit compressor.

The only thing to watch is that when you first insert it the attack value defaults to 160ms which is a very slow attack and also the Limiter button is usually ON as well. I mostly switch the limter off and set the attack slider back down to a more useable value eg 10 ms.

So try inserting it over a drum track or even a snare track. Try setting a ratio of 8:1, set the threshold for some noticable gain reduction and start with the attack setting at 10 ms. Then while listening slide the attack slider to the left down to lower values eg 1 ms and listen for the leading edge of the sound or the attack transients getting smashed a bit.

Also Mark I checked out the Samson S Com unit and as far as I can tell it is designed for line level use only. So plugging a microphone directly into it might not be possible. You need to boost the mic level up to line level before it can be patched in. I would be careful about using compressors on the way into your DAW anyway unless you are dealing with a very uncontrollable type of signal. The hiss is there because you are sending a very low level signal into the Samson and the signal is right down buried in the noise floor of the compressor. It is probably quite a good unit when its operating at the corrcet level.
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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 19:29:58 (permalink)
I can never get the audition to play for more than a couple of seconds on Sonitus.
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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/04 21:48:20 (permalink)
I am not sure I know what you mean. Are you using the Sonitus inside Sonar 4. If it is there, it is either working or not. Is it a demo version inside Sonar 4, not sure. Why won't it work for more than a couple of seconds? Have you investigated?

Are you attempting to use the Sonitus inside Cool Edit Pro because you should be definately using Sonar 4 now for your experiments, not Cool Edit.

Other than that I don't think there is much more I can help you with. What you need to do is get a proper decent working compressor running inside your DAW. You cannot really progress any further until you do that.

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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/05 03:51:11 (permalink)
not that my comments would be of any help here lately, but..
I can never get the audition to play for more than a couple of seconds on Sonitus.

it seems that you only "preview" the effects. In X1 it something like right-clicking the clip->process fx->audio->sonitus->....
in X1 there's actually a setting where you can set the preview time.. BUT... you would not use that method anyway!
you should use and place the effects in your fx-bin (!), then they work in realtime and you can play with the compressor settings while hearing the changes in realtime!
I think there's a lot of stuff you should read up on and as I've said earlier, especially concerning compressors, don't try to learn that within half an hour.. and don't try to find that magic-compressor-setting that fits for everything. I'd go for a more drastic compressor-setting for the start to actually hear the compressor work, than using a compressor with a setting where it's inaudible to your ears. (learn by your mistakes).
How will you ever find out how a compressor sounds like when you only have a gainreduction of 1dB at the highest peaks (which may only happen once or twice during your song). That applies to other effects as well. 1st learn how drastically those effects can sound, then back them off. I've given some settings already and they should give you a good starting point (on how not to do it), but for a beginner it's necessary to start with those settings to get used to compressors.
Besides that, don't forget to add the amount of gainreduction to your make-up-gain.
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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/06 05:58:51 (permalink)
I addressed this problem about the "audition" problem in post #21

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Re:VERY BASIC HELP REQUIRED ABOUT USING A COMPRESSOR! 2011/06/06 11:04:48 (permalink)
It took me until now to suss it!
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