Helpful ReplyVenting -- from a very frustrated user

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2015/11/27 18:10:12 (permalink)

Venting -- from a very frustrated user

I felt inspired.... until my struggle with bugs made me want to throw my computer out the window -- writing this post instead.
I'm editing an audio track, cutting out parts, and sliding the left and right parts together to remove the hole. Of course, I fuse the two clips together seamlessly by fading them into each other (by dragging to top corner of the clips). This is tedious work. About a dozen times, after I had done this with about a dozen clips, the fade-ins/outs got corrupted somehow, and the clips no longer flowed seamlessly. Lost a few hours of work. This happens repeatedly. I feel like Sisyphus.  Looking for some other outlet for creativity that won't raise my blood pressure.
 
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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 18:27:24 (permalink)
Do you have Ctl S as a reflex move?   Autosave set decently?   I feel your frustration.  Keep at it though.

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 18:38:19 (permalink)
+1 to ctrl+s as a reflex move. 
 
Also, use your undo function when something like this happens.  I was working on something similar yesterday and had a project halting weirdness go on when I moved a group of tracks to try to get it in the right spot for the crossfade.  A very weird thing happened to the audio later in the track that blew my whole project.  I used the undo list to isolate exactly which step caused the problem.  I never figured out exactly why it was doing the weird thing, but I used an alternate method to accomplish my task which did not cause the error.  Took a few minutes and some head scratching, but it wasn't very long before I found a suitable workaround.
 
Wishing you luck figuring out your problem.  Stay patient.  Save often.  Things can usually be worked out.  Lots of help to be had in this forum if you ask good questions and come into it with good intentions.
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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 18:56:02 (permalink)
To the OP please take a break from your work and come back to it later. We all get frustrated sometimes and it doesn't do anything good to our BP. The posts above are telling me they are in your conner and understand. 

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 19:10:22 (permalink)
Ive not experienced this issue myself, but perhaps turning on auto crossfade may alleviate some of the tedium? Also perhaps auto saving with versioning or prodigious use of ctrl s can save you time in the long run if something like this happpens again.
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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 19:18:45 (permalink)
There are still days when I get frustrated! But keeping with Sonar for a decade has definitely paid dividends.

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 19:48:23 (permalink)
sethmopod
Stay patient.  Save often.



No matter what program I'm using, every five or ten minutes I "Save As" the document under "name - 1",
"name - 2", etc. until I'm done.  Then, if I'm feeling courageous, I'll delete all the previous versions.  Autosave and auto versioning are also active.
 
I've lost my share of work and still get caught once in a while.  The upside is that the work is usually done better the second time around.

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 20:38:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jb101 2015/11/29 14:41:48
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I felt inspired.... until my struggle with bugs made me want to throw my computer out the window -- writing this post instead.
I'm editing an audio track, cutting out parts, and sliding the left and right parts together to remove the hole. Of course, I fuse the two clips together seamlessly by fading them into each other (by dragging to top corner of the clips). This is tedious work. About a dozen times, after I had done this with about a dozen clips, the fade-ins/outs got corrupted somehow, and the clips no longer flowed seamlessly. Lost a few hours of work. This happens repeatedly. I feel like Sisyphus.  Looking for some other outlet for creativity that won't raise my blood pressure.
 

 
You have to be careful which clips are actually selected/highlighted.
This happens to me all the time: Putting fade-ins/fade-outs on a clip not realizing that other clips in the same track are selected. The fade-ins get applied to all the selected clips, botching my previous work. Of course, I don't see this happening because I am zoomed into the area of interest.
 
I named one of the control bar buttons to "None" which is set to "unselect all". I use it frequently when editing to make sure that only the clip I want selected is actually selected.
 
Somehow, while moving around the project while editing, other clips get unknowingly selected. Then when you go to edit one clip, you unknowingly edit several clips at the same time. 
 
Perhaps you are experiencing this same phenomenon?
post edited by mikedocy - 2015/11/27 20:56:19
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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/27 21:06:29 (permalink)
Then there is rewinding the tape for the last listen of the night, on the 2" machine with incredibly lousy brakes, that the studio couldn't really afford to keep in good working order....tape rewinding at super speeds....slowing down by going the opposite direction on the rewind direction...kinda like a boat in water....  HOPING the tape won't snap.....cause you're tired and really don't want the machine in fast speeds anymore.....but....

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/29 12:04:16 (permalink)
+1 "unselect all", use key binding.  I use that key as much as any!

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/29 12:54:32 (permalink)
mikedocy
 
Somehow, while moving around the project while editing, other clips get unknowingly selected. Then when you go to edit one clip, you unknowingly edit several clips at the same time. 
 

 
This has happened enough to me that I get really paranoid sometimes. For example, when zoomed in on a very small (apx 2 bar) zone,  somehow I must have selected a bunch of other take clips which were not visible and deleted them.  Saved every 10 minutes or so; problem was, I'd unwittingly saved the mistake. It wasn't until several versions later that I zoomed out  and saw a giant hole in my project. This has happened a few times. Don't know whether it is pilot error or a bug; at all events, the mystery of it all keeps me very wary.
 
Recently I resurrected a project created years ago in Acid Pro 7. It's all audio, and at this point basically just involves shuffling clips around. I decided to do it in Acid rather than porting it over to Sonar. Acid, while quite under-specc'd compared to Platinum, just does these bread and better things so much more easily and smoothly than Sonar, imho. 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/29 13:13:01 (permalink)
+1 to Ctrl+S. Especially before any major changes (bounces, imports, inserts, etc.)
 
For your workflow, you may want to assign shortcuts to handy things like "restore view to previous state." Sylvan did a really nice navigation tutorial that shows not only how to assign commonly used bindings, but also how to use them.
He assigns that shortcut at around the 4m mark and uses it (which seems to be the source of your OP) at around 6:40. That entire video is worth watching if you have a moment.

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/29 13:15:50 (permalink)
Deon C recommended auto fade (+1) but you might also consider setting your Cut preferences to Delete Hole. This will save you lots of steps and it might minimize the chance of problems. In fact a single cut command would complete the task of you can live with your presets.

Either way, stay chill. We all learn through our challenges, so you seem to be learning a lot lately.

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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/29 13:57:12 (permalink)
The auto crossfade regions become tiny autonomous clips, cut out of their parent clips.
More drag editing creates ever more of these tiny stand-alone cliplets all over the place.
 
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Re: Venting -- from a very frustrated user 2015/11/30 14:14:31 (permalink)
Just another view...  if you have multiple takes it can sometimes be worthwhile opening Take Lanes just to make sure you're selecting only the desired clips.   If needed you can move the clips vertically so they're in consecutive lanes and add the fades to the "connecting" ends of the clips there. 
 

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